Judge: Kentucky must recognize same-sex marriage

In terms of Chromosomes, they're still technically male.

not shit bro lol

Seriously I have no idea why those who are "pro transgenders" are so self-righteous and under the impression that their views on the matter are infallible and the absolute enlightenment. I can't see any inherent and backed validity in their point of view that would automatically render them right, rational and scientific while also rendering every other point of view that deviates from theirs as wrong, irrational and the acme of ignorance.

The same ground upon which the sense of self exists independent of sex.

Yes, you basically wrote "penis = male, vagina = female" and then argued that gender and sex are indistinguishable. Considering that this was a response to TMM who was explicitly being a douchebag about the issue, it looked a lot like you were arguing for him. But leaving that whole thing aside, it's utterly bizarre to think that gender and sex are not "divisible". Transsexuals as psychologists understand them cannot exist unless gender and sex are distinct from each other.

Edgy.

The self can exist independent of its material manifestation, the body, but it does not contradict it. It exists within the limits of the human body and is directly tied to it and the extent of its ability and the nature of its biology. So if someone came to you and said I'm a divine being in the form of a human being, you'd most likely dismiss him as bat shit crazy or just delirious/demented.

Even if the explanation you provided was true, there's nothing scientific or infallible about it so virtually everyone can object to it and reject it altogether. So again I don't understand the self-righteousness of those who admit of the existence of the notion of gender and are fanatical in their efforts to silent any dissent or questioning of the validity of transsexualism.

I have a great respect for psychologists, but its in the nature of their science that it involves a lot of speculation and unverifiable theories. For instance, would it be possible for me to use that rationale and make the statement that schizophrenic people cannot exist unless there actually two persons inhabiting the same body?

I have no problem admitting of the fact that some people may encounter a problem or get confused in how they perceive their sexual identity, but the notion of "I'm a woman but was born a man so I need to change my sex" seems quite ridiculous and unfounded to me.

Yeah it's this self-righteousness that bothers me. They're so smug about it.

Not far enough:

http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/12/4817862/kansas-house-approves-response.html

"You know what, i don't really give enough of a shit to argue this"

I was just playing devil's advocate on that one. I haven't taken any biology course work since my freshman year of college (17 years ago), so I'll defer to your expertise on that one. I don't even know whether my statement about chromosomes was even factually correct.

@bforrester420: It most likely is, since you can't "genetically engineer" a human being and alter his DNA. There's a reason why DNA is used in solving crimes as an unquestionable evidence.

I just can't even remember whether the "XX" or "XY" are even present after sexual development occurs in gestation. I can't believe how much I've forgotten. I was going to major in biology (wanted to do physical therapy) until after my first semester Freshman year and now I can't even remember something I likely learned in junior high.

In less than ten years Gay Marriage will be totally legal in the United States. I think by then Marijuana will be as well.

I wonder what ethnicity/culture will be conservatives next target after gays?

Its fun seeing people post in a thread claiming they're tired of being called out on their intolerant beliefs. These threads are OPTIONAL. If you post your opinion you open yourself up to criticism (and any opinion against marriage equality or homosexuals in general deserves to be criticized).

A thread showing the rising tide of EQUALITY being met with people getting grumpy over it. Its actually quite pathetic.

Yes, they are

DNA evidence isn't entirely unquestionable

Of course you could genetically engineer human genomes to some extent. We eat genetically engineered plants and animals all the time.

I'm not quite sure how forensics plays into this, unless somehow you think that every DNA marker used to identified individuals could be changed let alone swapping sex chromosomes.

Is anyone in the thread actually grumpy over these news?

Sarcastically butt hurt then.

You're thinking of MPD/DID and people do treat "bodies" with that condition as being inhabited by different and distinct personalities. Gender and sex are distinct and extremely blurry; after all by your original criteria, an AIS woman is a man. Transsexuals can perceive themselves to be of the opposite gender for a variety of reasons, one of which is having a brain that is structured like the brain of someone of the opposite gender. Naturally, personhood is in the mind and so is "gender".

Lies

I was referring to the impossibility of altering the DNA of a living, already born, human being. Of course science can and is genetically engineering all kinds of basic cellular formations.

Yes.

Who?

Limpbizkit seems at least irked by the news and its coverage.

I thought so too. And that was the section of DOMA that was upheld by the Supreme Court.