Is psychology a pseudo-science?

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#1 silly_pants
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Seriously as someone who has taken psychology... And done a decent job, not well mind you but decent enough to pass. I am not really good at academia or born with the intellectual gift but I digress. I mean it is the science of the mind, science of labels and condescension. Every message board I go to or have gone to show it to be one. Everyone throws around diagnosing people they dislike with disorders, in my view psychology is used as a club by those in power, or those who hold certain oratory, or intellectual gifts to denegrate humans deemed inferior. Further proof is how these terms are thrown around in a negative connotation and the criteria for each so called "disorder" are so broad that everyone pretty much can be designated to one.
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#2 chrisrooR
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Some areas are, such as folk psychology. As a fourth year in Psych, no it isn't a pseudo-science. There are branches of cognitive, neuro, behavioural-cog...etc that all rely on the scientific method.
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uhhhh.....no.

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nothegerg


uhhhh.....no.

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#7 michaelP4
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Depends on how you look at it. It is certainly a science alright, as it uses scientific methods to come to informed conclusions and so on. But whether, like medicine, it actually helps patients is another issue entirely. I personally take the view, I could be wrong, that the only way to get yourself out of problems like depression etc is to do it yourself. While talking about it is good, at the end of the day, you and only you can change the circumstances around you and take responsibility for your life. That's what I believe.
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go away banjo

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#9 coolbeans90
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I mean, it's not physics, but I have bad news for you, OP . . .

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It is the science of the mind. The rest of the things you mention dont apply.

Theres nothing wrong about organizing and labeling the things that can be correctly identified. Classifying people's races as "caucasian," "German," "African-American," or "Aborginal" is not condescending. Neither is classyfing someone who does, in fact, have a disorder.

And no, the criteria for a disorder are pretty specific. Someone who sees visual an auditory hallucinations is a schizophrenic and theres no way to stretch that definition to someone who is healthy.

Being classified or actually having a disorder doesn't mean a person is crazy, or even unhealthy.

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#11 deactivated-60e799a72eb68
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When you take into account psychiatric drugs and treatment for said disorders, pretty much.

"Bipolar? We don't know what causes it, but here, take these drugs that were designed to treat schizophrenia and epilepsy and hope for the best."

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#12 ghoklebutter
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Psychology is not a pseudo-science; psychological research is minimally based on the scientific method, additional tools such as surveys notwithstanding. How people wrongfully engage in psychological research, blindly diagnose people, and distort definitions used in psychology is irrelevant.
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#13 Niff_T
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No, but it's not a hard science either.

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[QUOTE="thegerg"]no22Toothpicks



uhhhh.....no.

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#15 silly_pants
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It is the science of the mind. The rest of the things you mention dont apply.

Theres nothing wrong about organizing and labeling the things that can be correctly identified. Classifying people's races as "caucasian," "German," "African-American," or "Aborginal" is not condescending. Neither is classyfing someone who does, in fact, have a disorder.

And no, the criteria for a disorder are pretty specific. Someone who sees visual an auditory hallucinations is a schizophrenic and theres no way to stretch that definition to someone who is healthy.

Being classified or actually having a disorder doesn't mean a person is crazy, or even unhealthy.

XaosII
It absolutely elitist and vile to classify people by race. I would argue by gender as well but I might lose that debate. We are all human and bleed red... I disagree, the criteria is not specific really, it is just condescending and elitist to label others as disordered and inferior.
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#16 ghoklebutter
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No, but it's not a hard science either.

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I don't understand why the distinction between hard sciences and soft sciences even matters.
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[QUOTE="XaosII"]

It is the science of the mind. The rest of the things you mention dont apply.

Theres nothing wrong about organizing and labeling the things that can be correctly identified. Classifying people's races as "caucasian," "German," "African-American," or "Aborginal" is not condescending. Neither is classyfing someone who does, in fact, have a disorder.

And no, the criteria for a disorder are pretty specific. Someone who sees visual an auditory hallucinations is a schizophrenic and theres no way to stretch that definition to someone who is healthy.

Being classified or actually having a disorder doesn't mean a person is crazy, or even unhealthy.

silly_pants
It absolutely elitist and vile to classify people by race. I would argue by gender as well but I might lose that debate. We are all human and bleed red... I disagree, the criteria is not specific really, it is just condescending and elitist to label others as disordered and inferior.

How is it vile and elitist to classify races? (Assuming there is no set of values attached)
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#18 branketra
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Study it and find out.
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#19 silly_pants
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[QUOTE="silly_pants"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

It is the science of the mind. The rest of the things you mention dont apply.

Theres nothing wrong about organizing and labeling the things that can be correctly identified. Classifying people's races as "caucasian," "German," "African-American," or "Aborginal" is not condescending. Neither is classyfing someone who does, in fact, have a disorder.

And no, the criteria for a disorder are pretty specific. Someone who sees visual an auditory hallucinations is a schizophrenic and theres no way to stretch that definition to someone who is healthy.

Being classified or actually having a disorder doesn't mean a person is crazy, or even unhealthy.

Ring_of_fire
It absolutely elitist and vile to classify people by race. I would argue by gender as well but I might lose that debate. We are all human and bleed red... I disagree, the criteria is not specific really, it is just condescending and elitist to label others as disordered and inferior.

How is it vile and elitist to classify races? (Assuming there is no set of values attached)

Because we are the human race... Race is largely a social construct, that crap by the nazis was proven false.
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#20 Niff_T
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I don't understand why the distinction between hard sciences and soft sciences even matters.ghoklebutter

It generally only matters to those working in the hard sciences. :P

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#21 silly_pants
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Study it and find out.BranKetra
Already studied general psychology and abhorred the blatant condescension and elitism found in the text.
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[QUOTE="silly_pants"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="silly_pants"] It absolutely elitist and vile to classify people by race. I would argue by gender as well but I might lose that debate. We are all human and bleed red... I disagree, the criteria is not specific really, it is just condescending and elitist to label others as disordered and inferior.

How is it vile and elitist to classify races? (Assuming there is no set of values attached)

Because we are the human race... Race is largely a social construct, that crap by the nazis was proven false.

But the Nazis had a set of hierarchical set of values in race, hence the "Master Race". Answer my question, without spewing empty rhetoric. If there is no set of values related to race, how is it vile and elitist?
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#23 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="Niff_T"]

No, but it's not a hard science either.

ghoklebutter

I don't understand why the distinction between hard sciences and soft sciences even matters.

Methodologies.

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#24 silly_pants
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I mean, it's not physics, but I have bad news for you, OP . . .

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What is the news?
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[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="silly_pants"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] How is it vile and elitist to classify races? (Assuming there is no set of values attached)

Because we are the human race... Race is largely a social construct, that crap by the nazis was proven false.

But the Nazis had a set of hierarchical set of values in race, hence the "Master Race". Answer my question, without spewing empty rhetoric. If there is no set of values related to race, how is it vile and elitist?

How is it empty rhetoric, scientifically race is a social construct rather than a biological one. We are all human.
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Nope.
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Study it and find out.silly_pants
Already studied general psychology and abhorred the blatant condescension and elitism found in the text.

I view the snobby attitude of the academic community as a whole with disdain.
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[QUOTE="silly_pants"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="silly_pants"] Because we are the human race... Race is largely a social construct, that crap by the nazis was proven false.

But the Nazis had a set of hierarchical set of values in race, hence the "Master Race". Answer my question, without spewing empty rhetoric. If there is no set of values related to race, how is it vile and elitist?

How is it empty rhetoric, scientifically race is a social construct rather than a biological one. We are all human.

By invoking the Nazis. Empty rhetoric that, ultimately, means nothing. We all may be human, yes, but again, without any hierarchy of set values in race attached to the classifications of race, how is it elitist (which under these conditions, can't be elitist) and vile? Can I finally get an answer, is the third time asking the charm?
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Seriously as someone who has taken psychology... And done a decent job, not well mind you but decent enough to pass. I am not really good at academia or born with the intellectual gift but I digress. I mean it is the science of the mind, science of labels and condescension. Every message board I go to or have gone to show it to be one. Everyone throws around diagnosing people they dislike with disorders, in my view psychology is used as a club by those in power, or those who hold certain oratory, or intellectual gifts to denegrate humans deemed inferior. Further proof is how these terms are thrown around in a negative connotation and the criteria for each so called "disorder" are so broad that everyone pretty much can be designated to one.silly_pants

lol

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No, but it isn't a "hard" science. For the most part, it follows the scientific method (unlike pseudo-science) but the observations aren't wholly objective.
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[QUOTE="silly_pants"][QUOTE="BranKetra"]Study it and find out.BranKetra
Already studied general psychology and abhorred the blatant condescension and elitism found in the text.

I view the snobby attitude of the academic community as a whole with disdain.

Same, although I concede part of it is because I suck...
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#32 HybridPhoenix
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Not really, not at it's heart. It follows the scientific method. You can get an arts degree in it, but it is also a science degree.
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#33 dkdk999
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Well disorders can be applied to almost anyone because most people are pretty messed up.
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#34 silly_pants
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Well disorders can be applied to almost anyone because most people are pretty messed up. dkdk999
Or maybe noone is messed up. Maybe we are all humans with different minds but not disordered.
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u wot m8
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It's a soft science, not psuedo science.

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#37 CHOASXIII
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No

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Short answer: Yes. Long answer. Yeah
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#39 SirWander
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It's not a pseudoscience. also the diagnoses aren't used to make value judgments. Just as being diagnosed with cancer shouldn't lead anyone to infer your value as a human being, neither should being diagnosed with something like schizophrenia.

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#40 kuraimen
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Psychology was separated initially from the natural sciences because it wasn't considered an "exact" science. All that was not natural science was known as humanities. But that was a pretty narrow conception of science. Right now we have the social sciences for which psychology, anthropology, sociology are considered sciences. Psychology (experimental, cognitive) tried to study the mind as a natural science too but it mostly failed because the mind is very complicated and western thought have limitations with regards to what cognition was (they thought it was mostly formal internal processes). Right now the mind has to be studied from many scientific perspectives and psychology is one of them.
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#41 redstorm72
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[QUOTE="dkdk999"]Well disorders can be applied to almost anyone because most people are pretty messed up. silly_pants
Or maybe noone is messed up. Maybe we are all humans with different minds but not disordered.

Sooooo, what's the point of any scientific study of the human mind? Should we all just assume everybody is hunky-dory and not even question when some guy says an invisable talking dog is telling them to burn people? All you are doing is arguing symantics. "Disorder" is just a term used to define a specific type of "difference", it has no inherent value judgement.

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#42 LordQuorthon
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I liked the part where he said he's dumb.

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#43 CKYguy25
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i don't think so