Iraq Situation?

Well, oil most certainly played a huge role, but that doesn't matter anymore. We can't just abandon them when it gets hard.jointed

Well, oil most certainly played a huge role, but that doesn't matter anymore. We can't just abandon them when it gets hard.jointed

I think we should. Its gone on long enough.

Well, oil most certainly played a huge role, but that doesn't matter anymore. We can't just abandon them when it gets hard.jointed

Nope...the major part was going in to finish what his dad started.

Well, oil most certainly played a huge role, but that doesn't matter anymore. We can't just abandon them when it gets hard.jointed

Agreed. Regardless of whatever was behind the start of the war, leaving the country in an unstable condition would be grossly irresponsible.

[QUOTE="jointed"]Well, oil most certainly played a huge role, but that doesn't matter anymore. We can't just abandon them when it gets hard.VinnoT

I think we should. Its gone on long enough.

Well, oil most certainly played a huge role, but that doesn't matter anymore. We can't just abandon them when it gets hard.jointed

It could have come to the point where we've screwed it up so badly, we should just leave, because they'd sort it out sooner without us.

Mess the place up, leave afterwards? Nah...mastersword007

It's like a giant kegger!

[QUOTE="jointed"]Well, oil most certainly played a huge role, but that doesn't matter anymore. We can't just abandon them when it gets hard.LJS9502_basic

Nope...the major part was going in to finish what his dad started.

Ehm yes, it's kind of obvious. The petrodollar recycle was being threatened by Saddam...

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[QUOTE="jointed"]Well, oil most certainly played a huge role, but that doesn't matter anymore. We can't just abandon them when it gets hard.jointed

Nope...the major part was going in to finish what his dad started.

Ehm yes, it's kind of obvious. The petrodollar recycle was being threatened by Saddam...

What specific date?

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[QUOTE="jointed"]Well, oil most certainly played a huge role, but that doesn't matter anymore. We can't just abandon them when it gets hard.LJS9502_basic

Nope...the major part was going in to finish what his dad started.

Ehm yes, it's kind of obvious. The petrodollar recycle was being threatened by Saddam...

What specific date?

Well, Saddam sealed his fate when he decided to switch to the Euro in late 2000 (and later converted his $10 billion reserve fund at the U.N. to euros). This has no specific date, since it occured over a period of time.

Everyone goes on and on and on about how Bush strated the war for oil. But why does he want the oil? For the American people.

Im not saying that the war or Bush is good, just pointing out a flaw in that argument.

Well, oil most certainly played a huge role, but that doesn't matter anymore. We can't just abandon them when it gets hard.jointed

Well, Saddam sealed his fate when he decided to switch to the Euro in late 2000 (and later converted his $10 billion reserve fund at the U.N. to euros). This has no specific date, since it occured over a period of time.

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So no date? Anyway...his reason was what I stated it was. Payback. The oil reason is vastly overrated.

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Well, Saddam sealed his fate when he decided to switch to the Euro in late 2000 (and later converted his $10 billion reserve fund at the U.N. to euros). This has no specific date, since it occured over a period of time.

LJS9502_basic

So no date? Anyway...his reason was what I stated it was. Payback. The oil reason is vastly overrated.

I told you that it was in late 2000.

Payback? That's way too simplistic. Saddam converted to the Euro, by doing this the petrodollar's hegemony was being threatened. I fail to see how this can be overlooked, it's a major event.

Iran is doing the same thing as Iraq did, and now they're talking about invading them. Suspicious? yes...

I told you that it was in late 2000.

Payback? That's way too simplistic. Saddam converted to the Euro, by doing this the petrodollar's hegemony was being threatened. I fail to see how this can be overlooked, it's a major event.

Iran is doing the same thing as Iraq did, and now they're talking about invading them. Suspicious? yes...

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No. Are you saying Iran is doing nothing wrong?Plus, I haven't heard anything here about invading Iran.

Iraq wasn't important enough to worry whether they used the Euro or not.:roll:

[QUOTE="jointed"]Well, oil most certainly played a huge role, but that doesn't matter anymore. We can't just abandon them when it gets hard.VinnoT

I think we should. Its gone on long enough.

I wouldn't say that have we forgot about Vietnam? If we cut and run all the people that have died would be in vain. It is truly sad how people can sit back and dictate from our couches in our nice houses what we think what is best when we only know what the media wants us to know. Which I might add is a little biased. Everytime I have talked to a soldiers I always ask do you think we should be there and 90% of the time they say yes. The other 10% from what I understand are just tired but think there is a just reason. But on the other hand it sure does sound tempting to pull out and then let Iran invade Iraq and take over 70 to 80 percent of the worlds oil supply then I would like to see a new topics on we shouldn't have pulled out and the other great topic of why are gas prices so high?

Oil had NOTHING to do with it. Why start a long expensive war when we could just drill on our own land? Why on earth are thegas prices rising in the US if we're getting tons of oil? No. We went in because thathorrible dictator was not only thumbing his nose at us and the sanctions, but was also helping terrorists (and we DID find WMD's, just not nuclear). You guys seem to be forgetting how happy the Iraqi population was when we overthrew him.

Plus, if we leave now, there's gonna be an opening forcontrol. Terrorists will not only take control of Iraq, but they'll see our pullout as retreat, which will just embolden them.nuclear_cookout

you are obviously a conservative. oil had everything to do with it. we have to leave now. vote obama.

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I told you that it was in late 2000.

Payback? That's way too simplistic. Saddam converted to the Euro, by doing this the petrodollar's hegemony was being threatened. I fail to see how this can be overlooked, it's a major event.

Iran is doing the same thing as Iraq did, and now they're talking about invading them. Suspicious? yes...

LJS9502_basic

No. Are you saying Iran is doing nothing wrong?Plus, I haven't heard anything here about invading Iran.

Iraq wasn't important enough to worry whether they used the Euro or not.:roll:

I think you should read up on what the petrodollar actually is and what the concequences will be if even one nations breaks from the cycle.

Iran is not an ok nation, but it's no way near as problematic as North Korea for example.

You haven't heard anything about using military meassures against Iran? Are you kidding me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjGX2Gdj2Y4

vote obama.

Rikusaki

Barack Hussein Obama --- You see that middle name? I think god is trying to tell us something and it is not to put him in office lol! IMO

I think you should read up on what the petrodollar actually is and what the concequences will be if even one nations breaks from the cycle.

Iran is not an ok nation, but it's no way near as problematic as North Korea for example.

You haven't heard anything about using military meassures against Iran? Are you kidding me?

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I don't use youtube for news. Second, there was squawking awhile ago about Iran...not just from the US...but it's died down. If Iran is invaded it will undoubtedly be due to a consensus of nations.

Blaming oil is too simplistic. We don't actually get that much oil from Iraq...so Iraq switching to Euro...not important.

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vote obama.

TwiztedMetal

Barack Hussein Obama --- You see that middle name? I think god is trying to tell us something and it is not to put him in office lol! IMO

Wow thats really sad..... All you can do is attack his name. You should work for FOX news....

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vote obama.

Rikusaki

Barack Hussein Obama --- You see that middle name? I think god is trying to tell us something and it is not to put him in office lol! IMO

Wow thats really sad..... All you can do is attack his name. You should work for FOX news....

Dude i think that was a JOKE

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I think you should read up on what the petrodollar actually is and what the concequences will be if even one nations breaks from the cycle.

Iran is not an ok nation, but it's no way near as problematic as North Korea for example.

You haven't heard anything about using military meassures against Iran? Are you kidding me?

LJS9502_basic

I don't use youtube for news. Second, there was squawking awhile ago about Iran...not just from the US...but it's died down. If Iran is invaded it will undoubtedly be due to a consensus of nations.

Blaming oil is too simplistic. We don't actually get that much oil from Iraq...so Iraq switching to Euro...not important.

It's was a clip from CNN...

And blaming oil is far from being simplistic since there's a complex system behind it. It doesn't matter wether you get much oil from Iraq or not, that's not how it works. I suggest you read up on it so we can have a proper discussion about this someday.

Peace out, I'm going to sleep...

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vote obama.

Rikusaki

Barack Hussein Obama --- You see that middle name? I think god is trying to tell us something and it is not to put him in office lol! IMO

Wow thats really sad..... All you can do is attack his name. You should work for FOX news....

Thats not all I can do but all i choose to do. I choose not to waste my time talking about people that don't mean that much and two of the top people on my list is first Hillary and number two Obama. I seriously think if either of those two get in office it will be a long 4 years......

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vote obama.

jaybobi92

Barack Hussein Obama --- You see that middle name? I think god is trying to tell us something and it is not to put him in office lol! IMO

Wow thats really sad..... All you can do is attack his name. You should work for FOX news....

Dude i think that was a JOKE

lol ooops! ill go make out with ratchet now... brb

It's was a clip from CNN...

And blaming oil is far from being simplistic since there's a complex system behind it. It doesn't matter wether you get much oil from Iraq or not, that's not how it works. I suggest you read up on it so we can have a proper discussion.

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Peace out, I'm going to sleep...

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It's just after 11....take it easy.

Now how would we do that with your bias? Hmmm? The US has other ways to get what they want without war. This war was personal.....oil is just a cheap excuse used by those that don't know the reason.

LJS9502_basic

I also don't see how oil is relevant in the discussion. Considering the Iraq constitution is being ratified further to have all proceeds going directly to it's populace. Not to mention, it's also owned by the people. People say it as though we are there to take it all and come home.

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It's was a clip from CNN...

And blaming oil is far from being simplistic since there's a complex system behind it. It doesn't matter wether you get much oil from Iraq or not, that's not how it works. I suggest you read up on it so we can have a proper discussion.

LJS9502_basic

Woo!

Americaaaaa! you told him :D

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I think you should read up on what the petrodollar actually is and what the concequences will be if even one nations breaks from the cycle.

Iran is not an ok nation, but it's no way near as problematic as North Korea for example.

You haven't heard anything about using military meassures against Iran? Are you kidding me?

LJS9502_basic

I don't use youtube for news. Second, there was squawking awhile ago about Iran...not just from the US...but it's died down. If Iran is invaded it will undoubtedly be due to a consensus of nations.

Blaming oil is too simplistic. We don't actually get that much oil from Iraq...so Iraq switching to Euro...not important.

Yea, like Iraq was invaded because of a consensus of nations. :roll:

Oil had NOTHING to do with it. Why start a long expensive war when we could just drill on our own land? Why on earth are thegas prices rising in the US if we're getting tons of oil? No. We went in because thathorrible dictator was not only thumbing his nose at us and the sanctions, but was also helping terrorists (and we DID find WMD's, just not nuclear). You guys seem to be forgetting how happy the Iraqi population was when we overthrew him.

Plus, if we leave now, there's gonna be an opening forcontrol. Terrorists will not only take control of Iraq, but they'll see our pullout as retreat, which will just embolden them.nuclear_cookout

Show me two things and I will listen to you:

1. A legitimate report showing we found WMDs of any type (with an explaination of what the WMDs were and where they were found) after we invaded.

2. A single quote prior to our invation from any of those in office during invasion stating that our main goal in Iraq was to dispose Saddam (which is kinda hypocritical being as our government got the man into office in the first place).

Yea, like Iraq was invaded because of a consensus of nations. :roll:

Insane00

Read carefully....where did I say Iraq was invaded by a consensus of nations?:roll:

Apples are a fruit...oranges are a fruit. But apples are not oranges.

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Yea, like Iraq was invaded because of a consensus of nations. :roll:

LJS9502_basic

Read carefully....where did I say Iraq was invaded by a consensus of nations?:roll:

Apples are a fruit...oranges are a fruit. But apples are not oranges.

You didn't.

I was just pointing out that if the US invaded Iraq without having a consensus there seems to be no reason to expect our government to wait for support from other nations for it to decide to invade Iran.

we need to GTFO as soon as possible. they dont want us there, they dont want our help.MichaeltheCM

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[QUOTE="jointed"]Well, oil most certainly played a huge role, but that doesn't matter anymore. We can't just abandon them when it gets hard.TwiztedMetal

I think we should. Its gone on long enough.

I wouldn't say that have we forgot about Vietnam? If we cut and run all the people that have died would be in vain. It is truly sad how people can sit back and dictate from our couches in our nice houses what we think what is best when we only know what the media wants us to know. Which I might add is a little biased. Everytime I have talked to a soldiers I always ask do you think we should be there and 90% of the time they say yes. The other 10% from what I understand are just tired but think there is a just reason. But on the other hand it sure does sound tempting to pull out and then let Iran invade Iraq and take over 70 to 80 percent of the worlds oil supply then I would like to see a new topics on we shouldn't have pulled out and the other great topic of why are gas prices so high?

QFT

I'm not really that educated about the Iraq situation, but what i've heard is Bush is in it for oil. Besides, Sounds like a lot of unnescessary violence and wasted money, which is always bad, but like i said, i dont know that much about it.jaybobi92

People want their gas. Besides.. Iraq couldn't contain their own problems so someone had to over there hold their hand. This is life. If you can't contain your own problems someone else will be breathing down your neck.

This aint a war. It's no where near being war. The death toll is so far behind that it will never qualify as a war. I blame Gerorge senior Bush. He should of killed Saddam back during Desert Storm and reformated their goverment back then.

When you have a threat you go exterminate it. They're like roaches. They keep coming back so unless you finish them all off they will keep coming back.

I know that its not right for anyone to kill anyone, on either sides of the War.

I think it had been a Bush Administration fantasy since the onset of their first term. Bush probably sincerely believed that he was doing the right thing and that it could all be accomplished with a relatively low cost in terms of lives, assets, and political alienation on the international stage. Of course, a number of incredibly naive assumptions were factored into the planning process and now we're here. What was supposed to be, in their mind, a wham-bam-thank you-ma'm operation that would put pressure on Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East has bludgeoned into a monster. Every time I see more wounded and dead soldiers or civilians on the news it breaks my heart. But, hey, we got Saddam Hussein, right? xXBuffJeffXx

Amen to that.

No one really knows why we're there. I don't even think those who made the decision know why we're there.Laserwolf65