Inception: A smart film only a hack like Nolan could make.

It astounds me that a film such as Inception could be considered intelligent these days. As I read review after review of bilge from critics heaping praise on this intellectually bankrupt piece of crud, only Armond White's sage like criticism of the film spoke the truth. Nolan is incapable of making a smart film, instead he prefers to pile on a bunch of junk that goes over the head of the average film goer and makes them think they've seen an intelligent movie. Its a shame that the critics are just as willing to fall for the hack director's childish shams. I thought The Dark Knight was the epitome of stupid, but I shouldn't have underestimated Nolan and his natural born talent at delivering a dud that is actually much worse on every conceivable level. It did give me a good nap though, and I'm sure the dream I had of cutting my grass with a butter knife was much more interesting than what was going on in Inception.

yeah that movie was not all those people have been saying must be emperor's new clothes syndromeJandurin

Agreed. I was hoping Nolan would prove me wrong with his latest, prove that he was actually capable of producing something that was worth my time. Unfortunately I was right, as I always am, he's still a hack and can't put a single thought worth discussing into his work.

Although White's review was very interesting to read, I have to disagree with him, and you. Sure it had many problems (no character development), but as a heist film, I thought it was amazing. It was entertaining, interesting and fun. I enjoyed it and sure it's not super intellectual or life changing, but a film doesn't need to be those things to be great.

yeah that movie was not all those people have been saying must be emperor's new clothes syndromeJandurin

Although White's review was very interesting to read, I have to disagree with him, and you. Sure it had many problems (no character development), but as a heist film, I thought it was amazing. It was entertaining, interesting and fun. I enjoyed it and sure it's not super intellectual or life changing, but a film doesn't need to be those things to be great.

Lebbin

I'll give it one thing, its tag line was very accurate. What Inception did to my poor mind was most certainly a crime.

Where did my post go?Aspen706

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]yeah that movie was not all those people have been saying must be emperor's new clothes syndromedave123321

It was a good film, not a great one. It wasn't nearly as confusing as critics made it out to be. I didn't care at all for the romance. The characters are underdeveloped, thus leaving you confused on some of their motivations. [spoiler] That's right. I'm the serious one. [/spoiler] sammyjenkis898

Sammy, usually I agree with you, but you are being much to kind to this film. No, it wasn't confusing, but not in an intelligent way, more like in-a-book-written-for-a-five-year-old way. Seriously, I could have taken my six year old nephew to see the film and he would have been more challenged by the Spongebob episode he watched with his morning cereal.

I haven't seen Inception yet but in Nolan's defense Memento was a pretty cleaver film in my opinion.Meinhard1

Is that a good or bad thing?

I haven't seen Inception yet but in Nolan's defense Memento was a pretty cleaver film in my opinion.Meinhard1

It was clever in fooling people into thinking it was good, but not much more than that. Seriously, he just took a simplistic, dull story and tried to save it with a gimmick by making it backwards. Watch the movie in the correct order and it's beyond boring, you're just too busy trying to piece the film together to realize it while watching it in its original, backwards order.

I'm on to you, Nolan.

[QUOTE="Meinhard1"]I haven't seen Inception yet but in Nolan's defense Memento was a pretty cleaver film in my opinion.Dylan_11

Is that a good or bad thing?

[QUOTE="Meinhard1"]I haven't seen Inception yet but in Nolan's defense Memento was a pretty cleaver film in my opinion.TreyoftheDead

It was clever in fooling people into thinking it was good, but not much more than that. Seriously, he just took a simplistic, dull story and tried to save it with a gimmick by making it backwards. Watch the movie in the correct order and it's beyond boring, you're just too busy trying to piece the film together to realize it while watching it in its original, backwards order.

I'm on to you, Nolan.

Great, another internet dwelling film hack. Do people like you actually LIKE movies? It was a good movie, get over it. HoolaHoopMan

Of course I like movies. They are the love of my life, my beloved in celluloid form.

However, that doesn't mean I just like whatever crap I see, which seems to be the typical response of the average movie goer. I have standards, and a hack like Nolan and his work, especially The Dark Knight and Inception, just do not meet them. I'm not going to lie to myself for the sake of my love of movies. That's cruel.

As stated in another Inception topic...

"I haven't decided yet if Inception was clever good, or if it was hur-hur-I'm-so-clever-hur-hur bad."

Apparently the haters are out in force today. :P

Apparently the haters are out in force today. :P

GabuEx

I don't understand this practice of labeling someone who disagrees with a popular opinion. I'm not "hating", I'm simply pointing out the truth.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Great, another internet dwelling film hack. Do people like you actually LIKE movies? It was a good movie, get over it. TreyoftheDead

Of course I like movies. They are the love of my life, my beloved in celluloid form.

However, that doesn't mean I just like whatever crap I see, which seems to be the typical response of the average movie goer. I have standards, and a hack like Nolan and his work, especially The Dark Knight and Inception, just do not meet them. I'm not going to lie to myself for the sake of my love of movies. That's cruel.

This might be a tangent, but I was wondering if you agree with other of White's reviews such an th negative review of Toy Story 3, or the positive reviews of Transformers 2 and Jonah Hex.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Apparently the haters are out in force today. :P

TreyoftheDead

I don't understand this practice of labeling someone who disagrees with a popular opinion. I'm not "hating", I'm simply pointing out the truth.

An opinion is simply stating your stance on a subject. Hating is a strong opinion filled with emotion. You seem to be pretty hateful about this movie.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Apparently the haters are out in force today. :P

I don't understand this practice of labeling someone who disagrees with a popular opinion. I'm not "hating", I'm simply pointing out the truth.

This film isn't exactly a darling of the critics:

I would say that score is about right.
This definitely wasn't the mental tease it was made out to be. It could have easily been half as long and still retained everything of importance.
At the same time, it's not a terrible film, either.

It wasn't brilliant or even "deep", but I enjoyed it.

Am I an idiot with no ability to appreciate film for thinking that?

[QUOTE="Meinhard1"]I haven't seen Inception yet but in Nolan's defense Memento was a pretty cleaver film in my opinion.TreyoftheDead

It was clever in fooling people into thinking it was good, but not much more than that. Seriously, he just took a simplistic, dull story and tried to save it with a gimmick by making it backwards. Watch the movie in the correct order and it's beyond boring, you're just too busy trying to piece the film together to realize it while watching it in its original, backwards order.

I'm on to you, Nolan.

Well I loved it. That makes me a simpleton, right?

An opinion is simply stating your stance on a subject. Hating is a strong opinion filled with emotion. You seem to be pretty hateful about this movie.

FrostyPhantasm

That doesn't make any sense. This being my personal opinion, of course it is going to filled with my emotions, everyone's is, it's what is at the heart of film criticism. If I was saying the opposite, that is, praising the movie in a very emotional way, is there some term you have coined for that? Or only against the ones people don't want to hear?

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[QUOTE="Meinhard1"]I haven't seen Inception yet but in Nolan's defense Memento was a pretty cleaver film in my opinion.harashawn

It was clever in fooling people into thinking it was good, but not much more than that. Seriously, he just took a simplistic, dull story and tried to save it with a gimmick by making it backwards. Watch the movie in the correct order and it's beyond boring, you're just too busy trying to piece the film together to realize it while watching it in its original, backwards order.

I'm on to you, Nolan.

I don't recall asking people to watch it in the "correct order" first. But I guess people may insinuate that I did, so let me be more clear:

Watch the film in its backwards order first, then in the correct, chronological order so that you can see just how bad and intellectually defunct it really is.

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

It was clever in fooling people into thinking it was good, but not much more than that. Seriously, he just took a simplistic, dull story and tried to save it with a gimmick by making it backwards. Watch the movie in the correct order and it's beyond boring, you're just too busy trying to piece the film together to realize it while watching it in its original, backwards order.

I'm on to you, Nolan.

I don't recall asking people to watch it in the "correct order" first. But I guess people may insinuate that I did, so let me be more clear:

Watch the film in its backwards order first, then in the correct, chronological order so that you can see just how bad and intellectually defunct it really is.

It is not meant to be viewed chronologically. It was written to be viewed backwards. I don't understand why you don't get that. harashawn

It doesn't really matter. It's bad either way you view it, but the reason I was saying one should watch it in the correct order is that doing so will take out the chore of having to keep up with Nolan's gimmick and see the film for what it really is. If you want to keep arguing that this is not the correct way to view the film, then fine, watch it a second time in its original order and you'll just how stupid it is that way.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Apparently the haters are out in force today. :P

TreyoftheDead

I don't understand this practice of labeling someone who disagrees with a popular opinion. I'm not "hating", I'm simply pointing out the truth.

You call the positive reviews "bilge"; you call the movie "intellectually bankrupt"; you say that "Nolan ... prefers to pile on a bunch of junk"; you say that critics are "fall(ing) for the hack director's childish shams"; and you say that while "The Dark Knight was the epitome of stupid", Inception is "a dud that is actually much worse on every conceivable level", for which you credit "Nolan and his natural born talent at delivering a dud".

I don't exactly think it's a terribly wide stretch to suggest that you hate both Nolan and Inception. Your choice of words goes rather beyond simply not liking a movie.

Having watched ALL his other movies, I think I'll have to laugh out loud at how ridiculous people's opinions can be. It's OK to admit that you simply don't understand a film that's probably a little too much for you.Osaka-06

I can assure you that I understood the film just fine. I love that Nolan fans are so quick to accuse his detractors of not understanding his work, grasping for straws in an attempt to make sense of someone not liking what they like.

[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"]

An opinion is simply stating your stance on a subject. Hating is a strong opinion filled with emotion. You seem to be pretty hateful about this movie.

TreyoftheDead

That doesn't make any sense. This being my personal opinion, of course it is going to filled with my emotions, everyone's is, it's what is at the heart of film criticism. If I was saying the opposite, that is, praising the movie in a very emotional way, is there some term you have coined for that? Or only against the ones people don't want to hear?

:lol: What. I wasn't disagreeing with your opinion at all good sir. Simply stating what a "hater" is. You can have varying levels of intensity of an opinion.. I could say "Yeah i dislike 50 cent due to his lack of good lyrical skills" or i could be like "LOL 50 cent is terrible, hes a garbage man who takes his garbage home to put in CD format to sell to the dumb masses that durp hurp it up in their hummers with the golden rims". One is hating, the other is "simply stating an opinion". Also to have extreme praise would be..liking the movie? Opposite of hating i would assume.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]It is not meant to be viewed chronologically. It was written to be viewed backwards. I don't understand why you don't get that. TreyoftheDead

It doesn't really matter. It's bad either way you view it, but the reason I was saying one should watch it in the correct order is that doing so will take out the chore of having to keep up with Nolan's gimmick and see the film for what it really is. If you want to keep arguing that this is not the correct way to view the film, then fine, watch it a second time in its original order and you'll just how stupid it is that way.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]It is not meant to be viewed chronologically. It was written to be viewed backwards. I don't understand why you don't get that. TreyoftheDead

It doesn't really matter. It's bad either way you view it, but the reason I was saying one should watch it in the correct order is that doing so will take out the chore of having to keep up with Nolan's gimmick and see the film for what it really is. If you want to keep arguing that this is not the correct way to view the film, then fine, watch it a second time in its original order and you'll just how stupid it is that way.

Having watched ALL his other movies, I think I'll have to laugh out loud at how ridiculous people's opinions can be. It's OK to admit that you simply don't understand a film that's probably a little too much for you.Osaka-06

[QUOTE="Meinhard1"]I haven't seen Inception yet but in Nolan's defense Memento was a pretty cleaver film in my opinion.TreyoftheDead

It was clever in fooling people into thinking it was good, but not much more than that. Seriously, he just took a simplistic, dull story and tried to save it with a gimmick by making it backwards. Watch the movie in the correct order and it's beyond boring, you're just too busy trying to piece the film together to realize it while watching it in its original, backwards order.

I'm on to you, Nolan.

You obviously missed the point of it's narrative. Having the movie go backwards was a smart move, because it mirrors (to us) the feelings the protagonist has. Like him, you're not really sure how he got there (in each scene), or what he is doing there. We probably wouldn't really be able to feel that way, if it was a more conventional narrative.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Great, another internet dwelling film hack. Do people like you actually LIKE movies? It was a good movie, get over it. TreyoftheDead

Of course I like movies. They are the love of my life, my beloved in celluloid form.

However, that doesn't mean I just like whatever crap I see, which seems to be the typical response of the average movie goer. I have standards, and a hack like Nolan and his work, especially The Dark Knight and Inception, just do not meet them. I'm not going to lie to myself for the sake of my love of movies. That's cruel.

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

[QUOTE="harashawn"]It is not meant to be viewed chronologically. It was written to be viewed backwards. I don't understand why you don't get that. harashawn

It doesn't really matter. It's bad either way you view it, but the reason I was saying one should watch it in the correct order is that doing so will take out the chore of having to keep up with Nolan's gimmick and see the film for what it really is. If you want to keep arguing that this is not the correct way to view the film, then fine, watch it a second time in its original order and you'll just how stupid it is that way.

Yeah, I have to agree that I find that comment a bit strange... the order of events is an integral part of presentation, and good presentation is one of the fundamental parts of good filmmaking. Suggesting that the movie would have been worse if the presentation had been worse is kind of like... well, yeah, that's kind of the point.

You call the positive reviews "bilge"; you call the movie "intellectually bankrupt"; you say that "Nolan ... prefers to pile on a bunch of junk"; you say that critics are "fall(ing) for the hack director's childish shams"; and you say that while "The Dark Knight was the epitome of stupid", Inception is "a dud that is actually much worse on every conceivable level", for which you credit "Nolan and his natural born talent at delivering a dud".

I don't exactly think it's a terribly wide stretch to suggest that you hate both Nolan and Inception. Your choice of words goes rather beyond simply not liking a movie.

GabuEx

It is my personal belief that one should stand firmly for their opinion on a matter, not holding back and being as harsh as one feels. I have nothing against Nolan personally, he may be a very nice man, I wouldn't know, I've never met him. However, I can judge his work and on those grounds I see nothing wrong with what I said, it is all true and if the words seem a bit venomous it is because his work matches my nastiness in stupidity and showing off his talent as a con-artist. It's not hating, it's simply being appalled the awfulness of his work in an area of art that I love very dearly and hold a lot of respect for.