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#1 nintendoman562
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...would you think it's preferable to cure it or just accept homosexuality as a part of society?

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#2 PannicAtack
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Nah.
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#3 chessmaster1989
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If a person wanted to be 'cured', I don't see the problem.
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#5 Wolfetan
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Why do we need to cure an opinion of somebodys? Thats like brainwashing somebody to believe in a religion.

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#6 lonewolf604
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To me, that's the same as saying, if there was a cure for being black.
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#7 Wolfetan
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He's most likely religious.

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#8 lamprey263
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Homosexuality proponents have taken the 100% biological and natural stance as a defense against the homosexuality opponents who claim it's a choice. I think both sides have created a dichotomy that ignores that homosexuality is probably a mix of multiple influences. Plus I think that the idea of biology and personal choice ignores social influences in shaping sexuality. If it were so easy to switch your sexuality with a pill I'd probably opt for being gay as so I don't have to put up with manipulative bitches and I can find myself a likeminded manly man that shares my interests.
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#9 mattbbpl
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To me, that's the same as saying, if there was a cure for being black. lonewolf604
That seems like a pretty apt analogy. And I suppose were it an alterable characteristic it should only really matter to the individual. I don't know why society at large should care.
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I'm sure we could be cured of heterosexuality as well, so we can all become the superior bisexual race.
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#12 LordQuorthon
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To me, that's the same as saying, if there was a cure for being black. lonewolf604

Or left-handed. 

 

 

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#13 Chemistian
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Neither the DSM-IV nor the upcoming DSM-V quantify homosexuality as a disease, therefore defining a "cure" for it would be inaccurate.

To better answer your question: No. Defining life choices and/or biological differences as inferior in need of a cure is subjective to individual bias or predispositions, especially in relation to minority statuses.

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#14 1PMrFister
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I'm sure we could be cured of heterosexuality as well, so we can all become the superior bisexual race.Zeviander
Why bother with sexuality? Take a pill that renders us asexual and able to rise above such base desires. Of course, we'd also have to perfect cloning at the same time to ensure that we don't accidentally kill off the human race. :P
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#15 deactivated-5acfa3a8bc51d
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Some people don't understand homosexuality like how much got to do with social behavior or biology. Best not to ask such questions because people feel strong about their position on this one. I don't know any homosexuals so I'll leave it at that
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#16 Tetrarch9
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[QUOTE="lonewolf604"]To me, that's the same as saying, if there was a cure for being black. LordQuorthon

Or left-handed. 

 

 

My thoughts exactly people need to get over themselves. Some people like the same sex, deal with it.
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Why bother with sexuality? Take a pill that renders us asexual and able to rise above such base desires. Of course, we'd also have to perfect cloning at the same time to ensure that we don't accidentally kill off the human race. :P1PMrFister
Pfft, passion and desire are what make us human.
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[QUOTE="1PMrFister"]Why bother with sexuality? Take a pill that renders us asexual and able to rise above such base desires. Of course, we'd also have to perfect cloning at the same time to ensure that we don't accidentally kill off the human race. :PZeviander
Pfft, passion and desire are what make us human.

Useless emotions that lead to wars, suffering, and terrible romantic-comedy movies. We are far better off without them, trust me.

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#19 Chemistian
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="1PMrFister"]Why bother with sexuality? Take a pill that renders us asexual and able to rise above such base desires. Of course, we'd also have to perfect cloning at the same time to ensure that we don't accidentally kill off the human race. :P1PMrFister
Pfft, passion and desire are what make us human.

Useless emotions that lead to wars, religion, and terrible romantic-comedy movies. We are far better off without them, trust me.

Miscalculations and human error leading to war do not need passion or desire as their base point. WW1 was prosecuted largely absent emotional groundings and grew largely due to miscalculations based upon both logic and cost/benefit analyses. Vietnam could be placed in the same sphere.
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No, because the benignity of homosexuality follows from the fact that it doesn't harm anyone, not the fact that it's not a choice. Moreover, if we as a society thought that curing gay people was a good thing because of the "wrongness" of homosexuality, then we would surely reinforce other forms of oppression like patriarchal oppression and heterosexism.
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#21 lostrib
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[QUOTE="1PMrFister"][QUOTE="Zeviander"] Pfft, passion and desire are what make us human.Chemistian
Useless emotions that lead to wars, religion, and terrible romantic-comedy movies. We are far better off without them, trust me.

Miscalculations and human error leading to war do not need passion or desire as their base point. WW1 was prosecuted largely absent emotional groundings and grew largely due to miscalculations based upon both logic and cost/benefit analyses. Vietnam could be placed in the same sphere.

thank you mr. serious

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#22 Shadow4020
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Leave it up to the individual, if they don't want to be gay then let them "cure" themselves; I don't think we should pump it into the water supply or something.

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#23 dkdk999
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That sounds painful.
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You cant cure homosexuality. Its a choice. 

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Aint no take backs,once you commit a gay act you're gay
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#26 cain006
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No way. We already have too many people, gay people are awesome because they don't contribute to the population problem.

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#27 lostrib
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You cant cure homosexuality. Its a choice. 

slipknot0129

prove it

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#28 heeweesRus
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Aint no take backs,once you commit a gay act you're gay Bucked20
#TRUTH. This man gets it.

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#29 lonewolf604
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You cant cure homosexuality. Its a choice. 

slipknot0129
Why would someone choose to be gay in a world in which they are shunned? And don't say "rebellion" because I know several people who grew up in loving homes but still turned out gay.
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#30 slipknot0129
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[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

You cant cure homosexuality. Its a choice. 

lostrib

prove it

Much like favoring one color over another or one food over another. It is a choice but your have influences ever since you were born. 

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#31 Bucked20
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[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

You cant cure homosexuality. Its a choice. 

lonewolf604
Why would someone choose to be gay in a world in which they are shunned? And don't say "rebellion" because I know several people who grew up in loving homes but still turned out gay.

Because curiosity can lead to becoming gay
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#32 lostrib
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

You cant cure homosexuality. Its a choice. 

slipknot0129

prove it

Much like favoring one color over another or one food over another. It is a choice but your have influences ever since you were born. 

that's not proof

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#33 Tetrarch9
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

You cant cure homosexuality. Its a choice. 

slipknot0129

prove it

Much like favoring one color over another or one food over another. It is a choice but your have influences ever since you were born. 

Theres no way Homosexuality is a choice, Who looks at a women and goes. "Man this sure makes me want to suck d***"
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#34 slipknot0129
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[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

prove it

lostrib

Much like favoring one color over another or one food over another. It is a choice but your have influences ever since you were born. 

that's not proof

The only valid proof in saying whether it is a choice or not to be gay is that all decisions were decided once the big bang happened. So everything is already set in stone. 

It is only how people perceive things. People can seperate certain things from being a choice or not a choice in their mind, but in the end it is all set in stone by the big bang. 

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]Much like favoring one color over another or one food over another. It is a choice but your have influences ever since you were born. 

slipknot0129

that's not proof

The only valid proof in saying whether it is a choice or not to be gay is that all decisions were decided once the big bang happened. So everything is already set in stone. 

It is only how people perceive things. People can seperate certain things from being a choice or not a choice in their mind, but in the end it is all set in stone by the big bang. 

That is still not proof

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#36 Zlurodirom
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Anyone instantly think of X3 reading the title?

 

I'd say if they have a choice in the matter, sure.

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]Much like favoring one color over another or one food over another. It is a choice but your have influences ever since you were born. 

slipknot0129

that's not proof

The only valid proof in saying whether it is a choice or not to be gay is that all decisions were decided once the big bang happened. So everything is already set in stone. 

It is only how people perceive things. People can seperate certain things from being a choice or not a choice in their mind, but in the end it is all set in stone by the big bang. 

Can you please expand on the "it is all set in stone by the big bang"? I don't think I am understanding your logic. Thank you

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#38 lostrib
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Anyone instantly think of X3 reading the title?

 

I'd say if they have a choice in the matter, sure.

Zlurodirom

Yeah I did, and we all know how that turned out

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]Much like favoring one color over another or one food over another. It is a choice but your have influences ever since you were born. 

slipknot0129

that's not proof

The only valid proof in saying whether it is a choice or not to be gay is that all decisions were decided once the big bang happened. So everything is already set in stone. 

It is only how people perceive things. People can seperate certain things from being a choice or not a choice in their mind, but in the end it is all set in stone by the big bang. 

I think determinism is kind of different subject dude.
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[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

that's not proof

Zlurodirom

The only valid proof in saying whether it is a choice or not to be gay is that all decisions were decided once the big bang happened. So everything is already set in stone. 

It is only how people perceive things. People can seperate certain things from being a choice or not a choice in their mind, but in the end it is all set in stone by the big bang. 

Can you please expand on the "it is all set in stone by the big bang"? I don't think I am understanding your logic. Thank you

Everything that will happen is already predetermined by what happened when the big bang happened. 

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#41 dercoo
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If given a magic choice, nearly all parents would take the cure before birth to increase the probability of grandchildren. 

However, in actuality homosexuality is formed from biological, sociological/enviromental, and pschological factors and not "cureable" so easily/at all.

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There may be a biological predisposition for it in limited cases, but I think its more family dynamics and childhood experiences for the most part. 

And no, I would not take a pill to alter sexual attraction. Is there going to be a special one for bisexuals? People with fetishes? 

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This is a hard one, because it is a trick question. Let's say for sakes of discussion that homosexuallity could be controlled as if it were caused by a single biological thing. 1. You'd have to ask if this "biological cause for homosexuality" is a valid biological diversity or if it is something that requires to be cured, like most wisdom teeth growing just to F#ck your mouth. 1.1. If being gay was cause of a biological disorder, you'd have to ask how much of that conduct is a disorder. Let's say you are in a party, not so sober, and as highly skilled random dude starts doing you a blowjob in the dark. It should feel right, so is that proof that your biology isn't working well? 1.2 If this is a biological "disorder", you'd have to ask if it is something that MUST be cured or if the treatment is optional. Things like flat feet and harmless wisdom teeth can be something people live with with no problem whatsoever. Why should you impose a cure over that special thing? 2. Now, let's say that you are willing to change someone's sexuality. There is a very important question. How will that affect your personality and your own image? Imagine (just to prove a point) that you (straight man) magically become attracted to 40 yr old men. Like raging boner attracted. Think how much your self image would shatter by that drastic change. Would you be happy after realizing that you have changed that much by just a second? Second of all, would you like to have that change, if you are currently living a happy life in your condition?
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[QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]The only valid proof in saying whether it is a choice or not to be gay is that all decisions were decided once the big bang happened. So everything is already set in stone. 

It is only how people perceive things. People can seperate certain things from being a choice or not a choice in their mind, but in the end it is all set in stone by the big bang. 

slipknot0129

Can you please expand on the "it is all set in stone by the big bang"? I don't think I am understanding your logic. Thank you

Everything that will happen is already predetermined by what happened when the big bang happened. 

So I'm guessing you're not religious because most of those who believe, also believe in "freedom of choice"

I'm guessing you don't subscribe to the multiple universes hypothesis

So I'm trying to figure out why you think everything is pre-determined. Do you not believe in chance?

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There may be a biological predisposition for it in limited cases, but I think its more family dynamics and childhood experiences for the most part. 

And no, I would not take a pill to alter sexual attraction. Is there going to be a special one for bisexuals? People with fetishes? 

quadraleap

Everything you like and do is probably a biological predisposition. Curing gay would be like finding a cure to make people stop eating certain foods they like. That would be useful in the future for peoples diets. 

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#46 slipknot0129
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[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

Can you please expand on the "it is all set in stone by the big bang"? I don't think I am understanding your logic. Thank you

Zlurodirom

Everything that will happen is already predetermined by what happened when the big bang happened. 

So I'm guessing you're not religious because most of those who believe, also believe in "freedom of choice"

I'm guessing you don't subscribe to the multiple universes hypothesis

So I'm trying to figure out why you think everything is pre-determined. Do you not believe in chance?

All I believe in is that the universe will restart over and over forever. I will relive every possible combination there is in existance. I dont believe in choices since it was all determined from the get go. 

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This is a hard one, because it is a trick question. Let's say for sakes of discussion that homosexuallity could be controlled as if it were caused by a single biological thing. 1. You'd have to ask if this "biological cause for homosexuality" is a valid biological diversity or if it is something that requires to be cured, like most wisdom teeth growing just to F#ck your mouth. 1.1. If being gay was cause of a biological disorder, you'd have to ask how much of that conduct is a disorder. Let's say you are in a party, not so sober, and as highly skilled random dude starts doing you a blowjob in the dark. It should feel right, so is that proof that your biology isn't working well? 1.2 If this is a biological "disorder", you'd have to ask if it is something that MUST be cured or if the treatment is optional. Things like flat feet and harmless wisdom teeth can be something people live with with no problem whatsoever. Why should you impose a cure over that special thing? 2. Now, let's say that you are willing to change someone's sexuality. There is a very important question. How will that affect your personality and your own image? Imagine (just to prove a point) that you (straight man) magically become attracted to 40 yr old men. Like raging boner attracted. Think how much your self image would shatter by that drastic change. Would you be happy after realizing that you have changed that much by just a second? Second of all, would you like to have that change, if you are currently living a happy life in your condition?curono

If we develop a "cure" why do we need to worry about it being a biological disorder? As far as I know, wisdom teeth growing in can damage you, while being gay cant physically damage you like wisdom teeth can. Is there something I'm missing?

Is getting a bj from a man that different than getting one from a woman? I don't think it is gay if you are on the receiving end?

That last question you pose is a good one. If I was living a happy life, straight or not, I would not want to change it just because someone deemed I needed something fixed, and that something fixed would not negatively affect me in any way if I didn't change it.

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All I believe in is that the universe will restart over and over forever. I will relive every possible combination there is in existance. I dont believe in choices since it was all determined from the get go. 

slipknot0129

So you believe in ressurection? How do you live every combination otherwise?

Why do you think it was all pre-determined?

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[QUOTE="curono"]This is a hard one, because it is a trick question. Let's say for sakes of discussion that homosexuallity could be controlled as if it were caused by a single biological thing. 1. You'd have to ask if this "biological cause for homosexuality" is a valid biological diversity or if it is something that requires to be cured, like most wisdom teeth growing just to F#ck your mouth. 1.1. If being gay was cause of a biological disorder, you'd have to ask how much of that conduct is a disorder. Let's say you are in a party, not so sober, and as highly skilled random dude starts doing you a blowjob in the dark. It should feel right, so is that proof that your biology isn't working well? 1.2 If this is a biological "disorder", you'd have to ask if it is something that MUST be cured or if the treatment is optional. Things like flat feet and harmless wisdom teeth can be something people live with with no problem whatsoever. Why should you impose a cure over that special thing? 2. Now, let's say that you are willing to change someone's sexuality. There is a very important question. How will that affect your personality and your own image? Imagine (just to prove a point) that you (straight man) magically become attracted to 40 yr old men. Like raging boner attracted. Think how much your self image would shatter by that drastic change. Would you be happy after realizing that you have changed that much by just a second? Second of all, would you like to have that change, if you are currently living a happy life in your condition?Zlurodirom

If we develop a "cure" why do we need to worry about it being a biological disorder? As far as I know, wisdom teeth growing in can damage you, while being gay cant physically damage you like wisdom teeth can. Is there something I'm missing?

Is getting a bj from a man that different than getting one from a woman? I don't think it is gay if you are on the receiving end?

That last question you pose is a good one. If I was living a happy life, straight or not, I would not want to change it just because someone deemed I needed something fixed, and that something fixed would not negatively affect me in any way if I didn't change it.

As for your first question, I can answer it with an example. Blue eyes are the "beauty norm". If we could "cure" brown eyes, why worry about it being a biological disorder? Just cure it! Of course that is wrong. If it is not a biological disorder, then acting against homosexuality wouldn't be a cure. It would be the imposition of your moral and social norm, which if taken to an invasive biological action, could very be the equivalent of a forced brainwashing. On the second comment. Having sexual contact with a man isn't gay? Being the receiver or the giver is unimportant. I repeat my question: A form of sex with a man would not be considered gay?
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#50 quadraleap
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There may be a biological predisposition for it in limited cases, but I think its more family dynamics and childhood experiences for the most part. 

And no, I would not take a pill to alter sexual attraction. Is there going to be a special one for bisexuals? People with fetishes? 

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Everything you like and do is probably a biological predisposition. Curing gay would be like finding a cure to make people stop eating certain foods they like. That would be useful in the future for peoples diets. 

Im not sure if its me or how you phrase things but you almost seem to contradict yourself. You either are or you are not. Some people are in denial of it and live a life pretending and others come out to some degree and many shades in between. Medication for this is a pipe dream and would be a waste of time considering real problems facing the infectious world.