I was a Obama supporter but....

Yes I voted for Obama and I was behind him 100% because I wanted change. Everything people said about him I ignored, people said he was a radical, a socialist etc etc...

Why I changed my views you might ask, The dude is a BULLY know doubt about it. If you don't like it you can kiss his ass and he is going to push whatever bill he wants through and that's just that.

He is not for the peoples agendas, he is doing things hes way/his agenda and I'm not going to lie, I did not see it when he was running for President but now sitting back and watching him you can clearly see that he is a bully.

I am not saying this to gain support from you guys (I don't care which side you take) or saying that I am for the Republicans agenda but plain and simple I think the dude is a horrible President and I don't see him getting a second term in the White House.

One more thing is that I think that black people ignore that he is a bad president "only" because he is black (Im black BTW know racism im just saying) and that what ever he does is ok. Yes it is cool to have a black President because it has shown how far America and blacks have come but I honestly think he is letting that go to his head.

I honestly think Obama made a big mistake or that he is going to make a HUGH mistake in the future and something is going to take place. Hopefully its not too bad.

Just wanted to make this short and quick, I suck at grammar obviously but I hope you get what I'm saying.........

Well, when you have an entire party gridlocking you so you can't push ANY legislation through, and you're supposed to be a president of "Change", then of course things are going to get nasty.

yesterday, this lady in my geography class said he was satan. then the man she was talking to said he think's he's the anti-christ.

I get what you're saying. I never voted for Obama :D, but I know plenty of people who did and many of them now regret their decision. His campaign was basically a lie.

I hope that he gets thrown out in 2012. I would love to see the reaction if that were to happen :evil:

Well, when you have an entire party gridlocking you so you can't push ANY legislation through, and you're supposed to be a president of "Change", then of course things are going to get nasty.

MystikFollower

Well, the legislation is awful.

I get what you're saying. I never voted for Obama :D, but I know plenty of people who did and many of them now regret their decision. His campaign was basically a lie.

I hope that he gets thrown out in 2012. I would love to see the reaction if that were to happen :evil:

dkrustyklown

Obama is actually very weak. Not only did he drop the public option and give into the Repubs on a bunch of ther things, I don't even think he got a single Republican vote. He's not a bully, he's the opposite. He always gives in to the republicans too much.

Yes I voted for Obama and I was behind him 100% because I wanted change. Everything people said about him I ignored, people said he was a radical, a socialist etc etc...

Why I changed my views you might ask, The dude is a BULLY know doubt about it. If you don't like it you can kiss hes ass and he is going to push whatever bill he wants through and that's just that.

He is not for the peoples agendas, he is doing things hes way/hes agenda and I'm not going to lie, I did not see it when he was running for President but now sitting back and watching him you can clearly see that he is a bully.

I am not saying this to gain support from you guys (I don't care which side you take) or saying that I am for the Republicans agenda but plain and simple I think the dude is a horrible President and I don't see him getting a second term in the White House.

One more thing is that I think that black people ignore that he is a bad president "only" because he is black (Im black BTW know racism im just saying) and that what ever he does is ok. Yes it is cool to have a black President because it has shown how far America and blacks have come but I honestly think he is letting that go to hes head.

I honestly think Obama made a big mistake or that he is going to make a HUGH mistake in the future and something is going to take place. Hopefully its not too bad.

Just wanted to make this short and quick, I suck at grammar obviously but I hope you get what I'm saying.........

Dub_c6969

Obama's as white as he is black.

Well, when you have an entire party gridlocking you so you can't push ANY legislation through, and you're supposed to be a president of "Change", then of course things are going to get nasty.

MystikFollower

Thats politics...he has his political agenda and he will do what he needs to within the law also blacks overwhelmingly vote democrat...skin colour aside

[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]

Well, when you have an entire party gridlocking you so you can't push ANY legislation through, and you're supposed to be a president of "Change", then of course things are going to get nasty.

surrealnumber5

yesterday, this lady in my geography class said he was satan. then the man she was talking to said he think's he's the anti-christ.

needled24-7

What exactly is Obama supposed to do? The Republicans basically made it clear that they wanted health care reform to be his "Waterloo" and that they would oppose anything, regardless of what it was. Before passage of the bill in the Senate, 721 amendments had been proposed by Republicans, 161 of which passed and were included in the bill. The idea that the Democrats shut out the Republicans is just total nonsense - no offense. The Republicans shut themselves out. The Democrats were just working with what they had available.

See, this is what I have trouble comprehending. In what sense was his campaign a lie? Based on policy, Obama has kept the vast majority of his promises so far. You might disagree with the policies he has pursued, or complain he isn't addressing many promises quickly enough, but from a policy standpoint, he has kept the majority of his promises.Danm_999

Firstly, during the campaign, he emphatically rejected the notion of an individual health insurance mandate. He blasted Hillary Clinton throughout the primaries on the subject.

Secondly, he stated that no one making less than $250k/year would see any tax increases, yet the healthcare bill raised taxes that many people making less than $250k/year will have to pay. Now you have his chief economic adviser publicly mulling a VAT tax that would hit anyone that purchases anything.

Thirdly, he promised that the Health Care bill would be crafted tranparently and in full view of CSPAN cameras. All we the people got to see, however, were the floor debates that happened after the bill was written up. The actual writing of the bill, with input from committees, insurance companies, medical associations, pharmaceutical companies, and stockbrokers was done behind closed doors. There was nothing transparent about the process. I want to know exactly what kind of input big pharma and Blue Cross had in crafting the legislation. As it stands, we will never know.

Those are three massive lies, and people need to call him on them.

[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]

Well, when you have an entire party gridlocking you so you can't push ANY legislation through, and you're supposed to be a president of "Change", then of course things are going to get nasty.

surrealnumber5

Well there's this thing called the filibuster. :P

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="MystikFollower"]

Well, when you have an entire party gridlocking you so you can't push ANY legislation through, and you're supposed to be a president of "Change", then of course things are going to get nasty.

SgtKevali

he, bush(2) and any other stimulus backing president should be shot out of a cannon into the sunsurrealnumber5

I agree.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="MystikFollower"]

Well, when you have an entire party gridlocking you so you can't push ANY legislation through, and you're supposed to be a president of "Change", then of course things are going to get nasty.

GabuEx

Well there's this thing called the filibuster. :P

edit: or is it supra majority? dont feel like looking it up

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

yesterday, this lady in my geography class said he was satan. then the man she was talking to said he think's he's the anti-christ.

surrealnumber5

Oh let me guess, you think he's an idiot because he supports Keynesian policies? :roll:

Anyway, I voted for him and right now I have every intention of voting for him again in 2012.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] See, this is what I have trouble comprehending. In what sense was his campaign a lie? Based on policy, Obama has kept the vast majority of his promises so far. You might disagree with the policies he has pursued, or complain he isn't addressing many promises quickly enough, but from a policy standpoint, he has kept the majority of his promises.dkrustyklown

Firstly, during the campaign, he emphatically rejected the notion of an individual health insurance mandate. He blasted Hillary Clinton throughout the primaries on the subject.

Secondly, he stated that no one making less than $250k/year would see any tax increases, yet the healthcare bill raised taxes that many people making less than $250k/year will have to pay. Now you have his chief economic adviser publicly mulling a VAT tax that would hit anyone that purchases anything.

Thirdly, he promised that the Health Care bill would be crafted tranparently and in full view of CSPAN cameras. All we the people got to see, however, were the floor debates that happened after the bill was written up. The actual writing of the bill, with input from committees, insurance companies, medical associations, pharmaceutical companies, and stockbrokers was done behind closed doors. There was nothing transparent about the process. I want to know exactly what kind of input big pharma and Blue Cross had in crafting the legislation. As it stands, we will never know.

Those are three massive lies, and people need to call him on them.

So when people call his campaign a big lie, when he has kept vastly more promises than he's broken, it seems out of touch with reality.

[QUOTE="Dub_c6969"]

Yes I voted for Obama and I was behind him 100% because I wanted change. Everything people said about him I ignored, people said he was a radical, a socialist etc etc...

Why I changed my views you might ask, The dude is a BULLY know doubt about it. If you don't like it you can kiss hes ass and he is going to push whatever bill he wants through and that's just that.

He is not for the peoples agendas, he is doing things hes way/hes agenda and I'm not going to lie, I did not see it when he was running for President but now sitting back and watching him you can clearly see that he is a bully.

I am not saying this to gain support from you guys (I don't care which side you take) or saying that I am for the Republicans agenda but plain and simple I think the dude is a horrible President and I don't see him getting a second term in the White House.

One more thing is that I think that black people ignore that he is a bad president "only" because he is black (Im black BTW know racism im just saying) and that what ever he does is ok. Yes it is cool to have a black President because it has shown how far America and blacks have come but I honestly think he is letting that go to hes head.

I honestly think Obama made a big mistake or that he is going to make a HUGH mistake in the future and something is going to take place. Hopefully its not too bad.

Just wanted to make this short and quick, I suck at grammar obviously but I hope you get what I'm saying.........

SgtKevali

Obama's as white as he is black.

Firstly, during the campaign, he emphatically rejected the notion of an individual health insurance mandate. He blasted Hillary Clinton throughout the primaries on the subject.

Secondly, he stated that no one making less than $250k/year would see any tax increases, yet the healthcare bill raised taxes that many people making less than $250k/year will have to pay. Now you have his chief economic adviser publicly mulling a VAT tax that would hit anyone that purchases anything.

Thirdly, he promised that the Health Care bill would be crafted tranparently and in full view of CSPAN cameras. All we the people got to see, however, were the floor debates that happened after the bill was written up. The actual writing of the bill, with input from committees, insurance companies, medical associations, pharmaceutical companies, and stockbrokers was done behind closed doors. There was nothing transparent about the process. I want to know exactly what kind of input big pharma and Blue Cross had in crafting the legislation. As it stands, we will never know.

Those are three massive lies, and people need to call him on them.

dkrustyklown

In total, thus far, he has broken 19 promises, kept 109, and reached a compromise on an additional 34. If we count the latter group as 0.5 of a promise kept, that means that thus far he has kept 78% of the promises which have reached a conclusion one way or another. Now, of course, that's not 100% (only one president in history has ever kept 100% of his promises), and he should rightly be called on the promises that he has broken, but acting as though his entire campaign was one big lie is just, well, wrong. The vast majority of what he said he was going to do he either did or is in the process of doing.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Dub_c6969"]

Yes I voted for Obama and I was behind him 100% because I wanted change. Everything people said about him I ignored, people said he was a radical, a socialist etc etc...

Why I changed my views you might ask, The dude is a BULLY know doubt about it. If you don't like it you can kiss hes ass and he is going to push whatever bill he wants through and that's just that.

He is not for the peoples agendas, he is doing things hes way/hes agenda and I'm not going to lie, I did not see it when he was running for President but now sitting back and watching him you can clearly see that he is a bully.

I am not saying this to gain support from you guys (I don't care which side you take) or saying that I am for the Republicans agenda but plain and simple I think the dude is a horrible President and I don't see him getting a second term in the White House.

One more thing is that I think that black people ignore that he is a bad president "only" because he is black (Im black BTW know racism im just saying) and that what ever he does is ok. Yes it is cool to have a black President because it has shown how far America and blacks have come but I honestly think he is letting that go to hes head.

I honestly think Obama made a big mistake or that he is going to make a HUGH mistake in the future and something is going to take place. Hopefully its not too bad.

Just wanted to make this short and quick, I suck at grammar obviously but I hope you get what I'm saying.........

Dub_c6969

Obama's as white as he is black.

in America if you are half black you are black... you are accepted in the black community which cant be said about the white community

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]

yesterday, this lady in my geography class said he was satan. then the man she was talking to said he think's he's the anti-christ.

chessmaster1989

Oh let me guess, you think he's an idiot because he supports Keynesian policies? :roll:

Anyway, I voted for him and right now I have every intention of voting for him again in 2012.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] the other party cant gridlock, its like trying to stop a five lane highway with a powerwheels, it just cant happen. surrealnumber5

The bill got bad when the corporatists in the Congress got their hands on it.

not with the super majority

surrealnumber5

The supermajority that they don't have?

I'm Canadian so I'll stick to being neutral.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

not with the super majority

GabuEx

The supermajority that they don't have?

Of course he's broken promises. All politicians do that. They do that even if they 100% intend to follow through when they initially lie.

However, as I also said, he has thus far kept the majority of campaign promises, almost 10 times more promises have been honoured than broken according to Politifact; which tracks campaign promises and gives them ratings based on his completion.

So when people call his campaign a big lie, when he has kept vastly more promises than he's broken, it seems out of touch with reality.

Danm_999

How many promises are kept vs how many are broken is completely irrelevant to an individual that thinks that one of the broken promises is important. To that person, Obama is a liar. A person that cares about a specific, broken promise may not care about the promises that are kept. It's not a points game. A single broken promise turns a campaign into a lie to a person that really cares about that specific promise.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

not with the super majority

surrealnumber5

The supermajority that they don't have?

In name only. Having a D beside your name does not dictate 100% of your votes. The difference between 59 and 60 senators of one party is wildly overblown.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"] What are you talking about? The Republicans try to hold up EVERYTHING and they succeeded for a year or so with Healthcare. And in the end we got a crappy watered down bill and no Republican votes.

SgtKevali

The bill got bad when the corporatists in the Congress got their hands on it.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

Of course he's broken promises. All politicians do that. They do that even if they 100% intend to follow through when they initially lie.

However, as I also said, he has thus far kept the majority of campaign promises, almost 10 times more promises have been honoured than broken according to Politifact; which tracks campaign promises and gives them ratings based on his completion.

So when people call his campaign a big lie, when he has kept vastly more promises than he's broken, it seems out of touch with reality.

dkrustyklown

How many promises are kept vs how many are broken is completely irrelevant to an individual that thinks that one of the broken promises is important. To that person, Obama is a liar. A person that cares about a specific, broken promise may not care about the promises that are kept. It's not a points game. A single broken promise turns a campaign into a lie to a person that really cares about that specific promise.

Saying that a given person feels betrayed by Obama over one single promise is a vastly different claim than that his campaign as a whole was unqualifiedly a lie. That implies that he has broken all or the vast majority of his promises, which is untrue.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

Of course he's broken promises. All politicians do that. They do that even if they 100% intend to follow through when they initially lie.

However, as I also said, he has thus far kept the majority of campaign promises, almost 10 times more promises have been honoured than broken according to Politifact; which tracks campaign promises and gives them ratings based on his completion.

So when people call his campaign a big lie, when he has kept vastly more promises than he's broken, it seems out of touch with reality.

dkrustyklown

How many promises are kept vs how many are broken is completely irrelevant to an individual that thinks that one of the broken promises is important. To that person, Obama is a liar. A person that cares about a specific, broken promise may not care about the promises that are kept. It's not a points game. A single broken promise turns a campaign into a lie to a person that really cares about that specific promise.

Is there any campaign by that benchmark that cannot be called a lie? If the intent of your original post was to point out all politicians lie, then kudos, but that's not really a reason to specifically target one man, is it?

I'm sorry, but do you actually believe there will ever be a candidate who keeps 100% of their campaign promises? Do we even want that? Do we want politicians shackled to pre-election promises years down the line stopping them from acting in a particular way?

I'm sorry, but do you actually believe there will ever be a candidate who keeps 100% of their campaign promises?

Danm_999

James Polk, for the record. :P

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

The supermajority that they don't have?

GabuEx

In name only. Having a D beside your name does not dictate 100% of your votes. The difference between 59 and 60 senators of one party is wildly overblown.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

I'm sorry, but do you actually believe there will ever be a candidate who keeps 100% of their campaign promises?

GabuEx

James Polk, for the record. :P

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

I'm sorry, but do you actually believe there will ever be a candidate who keeps 100% of their campaign promises?

GabuEx

James Polk, for the record. :P

i dont stand by either party, the only thing i care about is the market place and my personal freedoms. if some democrats voted with the republicans against a bill and it was ran through it seems like one party charging full speed with out the full support of its body and despite the other surrealnumber5

I don't see how it can be claimed that this was "ran through" and that they were "charging full speed" when it took over a year from start to finish to get this single bill passed in both chambers of Congress...

Nah I have to disagree. In regards to the healthcare bill, I literally saw how Obama went from wanting to work with the Republicans, to the Republicans not wanting to compromise at all, to Obama simply having to move on without them. He promised healthcare reforme and now he has done it. I don't know why people are upset because a president is actually going through with his campaign promises. :?

well until we get rid of this party bull crap then maybe we can have a good president, until then, we are gonna have crappy ones that push their parties agenda regardless of whats good for the american people.

He's not doing a bad job for only being in a year.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

I'm sorry, but do you actually believe there will ever be a candidate who keeps 100% of their campaign promises?

Danm_999

James Polk, for the record. :P

Well he didn't promise much, having only four main points of policy. He achieved them all in his four years as president, however, and consequently did not seek another term, as he did not see what purpose it would serve when he had done what he came to do.

Easily one of the most principled presidents on account of that, really.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]i dont stand by either party, the only thing i care about is the market place and my personal freedoms. if some democrats voted with the republicans against a bill and it was ran through it seems like one party charging full speed with out the full support of its body and despite the other GabuEx

I don't see how it can be claimed that this was "ran through" and that they were "charging full speed" when it took over a year from start to finish to get this single bill passed in both chambers of Congress...

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]i dont stand by either party, the only thing i care about is the market place and my personal freedoms. if some democrats voted with the republicans against a bill and it was ran through it seems like one party charging full speed with out the full support of its body and despite the other GabuEx

I don't see how it can be claimed that this was "ran through" and that they were "charging full speed" when it took over a year from start to finish to get this single bill passed in both chambers of Congress...

I thought Republicans were a bit two faced on that front. They essentially refused to negotiate at all on the bill (Frum's comment they wanted it to be Obama's Waterloo) then complained when Democratic supporters stopped courting them and continued on their own.Danm_999

Well considering that they're now boldly declaring that the current financial reform bill, whose purpose is to prevent the need for bailouts, is a bailout, I think it's becoming increasingly clear that they will say anything at all as long as they feel it will gain them an iota of public support.