I just can't find a reason to believe in God.

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#1 MetalDogGear
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I've been thinking long and hard about this.

 

I don't believe in God, but I want to see if there is a reason to believe in him.

 

Everything I've come up with has been shot down.

 

So maybe someone here with a profound perspective could enlighten me.

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#2 completeslasher
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then don't, even religious ones have doubts at times, all i will add is destiny is fixed and god wan't change a thing, except in rare cases,

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#3 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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You don't need a reason, that's why it's called faith.

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#4 MetalDogGear
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You don't need a reason, that's why it's called faith.

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There has to be something more than faith though. Something deeper and more important.
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#5 ghoklebutter
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Why do you want to believe in a god?
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#6 MakeMeaSammitch
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I think the biggest reason to believe in god is.....

[spoiler] Happyness. If it makes you happy, then consider it, alot of people draw alot from it [/spoiler]

if not, then meh.

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#7 lonewolf604
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Then don't bother. Just live life as it is now. I know someone in church who is over weight and depressed, and she has convinced herself that "god has made me this way" and that she is meant to be an aunt (she takes care of her brother's children).
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#8 Inconsistancy
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

You don't need a reason, that's why it's called faith.

MetalDogGear
There has to be something more than faith though. Something deeper and more important.

Nope, that's it. It may make you feel better to delude yourself, but that's all it is.
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Why do you want to believe in a god?ghoklebutter
I'm just trying to find a reason why someone would believe in him. I like to broaden my perspective
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#10 MetalDogGear
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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

You don't need a reason, that's why it's called faith.

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There has to be something more than faith though. Something deeper and more important.

Nope, that's it. It may make you feel better to delude yourself, but that's all it is.

I guess you're right.
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Cool blog.
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#12 GreekGameManiac
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I've been thinking long and hard about this.

 

I don't believe in God, but I want to see if there is a reason to believe in him.

 

Everything I've come up with has been shot down.

 

So maybe someone here with a profound perspective could enlighten me.

MetalDogGear

God isn't "him".

It's higher consciense(w/e),a big energy mass of oversouls.

WE are god,in a way.

Everything is.

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#13 MetalDogGear
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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]

I've been thinking long and hard about this.

 

I don't believe in God, but I want to see if there is a reason to believe in him.

 

Everything I've come up with has been shot down.

 

So maybe someone here with a profound perspective could enlighten me.

GreekGameManiac

God isn't "him".

It's higher consciense(w/e),a big energy mass of oversouls.

WE are god,in a way.

Everything is.

I see you're getting your Pantheism on.
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Why do you want to believe in a god?MetalDogGear
I'm just trying to find a reason why someone would believe in him. I like to broaden my perspective

Well, divine causation is a nice explanation for the things that happen in this world. At least for some people. And the majority of those people are the ones who believe in gods.

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#15 lo_Pine
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Can you conceive of a whole. %100 of something?
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I see you're getting your Pantheism on.MetalDogGear

Lol.

God can't be "him".

It's everything,in a way.

Read this.

http://www.salrachele.com/webarticles/dimensionsanddensities.htm

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Why do you want to believe in a god?MetalDogGear
I'm just trying to find a reason why someone would believe in him. I like to broaden my perspective

People believe for many reasons. Some because they are told to. Others because god simply makes sense to them. And others because they are afraid of not believing.

Not all reasons are equal or "valid," but they're reasons nonetheless. I'm not the best person to answer the question because I personally don't believe in god. I'd suggest asking someone you know who believes why they do; as long as you do it respectfully, I can't imagine that they wouldn't be happy to help.

Edit- I realize that with my answers someone could question whether some of those reasons actually constitute "belief." That's kind of what I was getting with the "Not all reasons are equal" part. I was just suggesting possibly answers I've heard over the years.

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#18 MetalDogGear
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Can you conceive of a whole. %100 of something?lo_Pine
Of course I can. I can conceive of a greater being than God. And I can also conceive of the number 6 Which is 100% of it's entirety
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#19 lo_Pine
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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]Can you conceive of a whole. %100 of something?MetalDogGear
Of course I can. I can conceive of a greater being than God. And I can also conceive of the number 6 Which is 100% of it's entirety

Well, God is the entirety of everything you can conceive of. If you can conceive of a being greater than God, you are just conceiving a derivative of God. God goes even beyond that point where you think you can conceive of a being greater than that.
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#20 MetalDogGear
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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"]Can you conceive of a whole. %100 of something?lo_Pine
Of course I can. I can conceive of a greater being than God. And I can also conceive of the number 6 Which is 100% of it's entirety

Well, God is the entirety of everything you can conceive of. If you can conceive of a being greater than God, you are just conceiving a derivative of God. God goes even beyond that point where you think you can conceive of a being greater than that.

What definition of God are you going by? In Greek Mythology, Zeus is the entirety of the Sky and Lightning. And there are other Gods that represent other parts of nature.
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#21 lo_Pine
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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"] Of course I can. I can conceive of a greater being than God. And I can also conceive of the number 6 Which is 100% of it's entirety

Well, God is the entirety of everything you can conceive of. If you can conceive of a being greater than God, you are just conceiving a derivative of God. God goes even beyond that point where you think you can conceive of a being greater than that.

What definition of God are you going by? In Greek Mythology, Zeus is the entirety of the Sky and Lightning. And there are other Gods that represent other parts of nature.

Not Greek mythology. Just the idea of one, single God. Nothing can transcend him/her (a single God is gender less). Nothing can transcend God simply because God is transcendence. God is the action of transcendence and as well as transcendent. Arising from the definition of a single God. A single God, by definition, is perfect. Perfect being: omniscience, omnipotent and omnipresent.
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Not Greek mythology. Just the idea of one, single God. Nothing can transcend him/her (a single God is gender less). Nothing can transcend God simply because God is transcendence. God is the action of transcendence and as well as transcendent. Arising from the definition of a single God. A single God, by definition, is perfect. Perfect being: omniscience, omnipotent and omnipresent.lo_Pine

In a sense,you're right.

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Whatever makes you happy, that's what you go with.
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#24 MetalDogGear
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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"] Well, God is the entirety of everything you can conceive of. If you can conceive of a being greater than God, you are just conceiving a derivative of God. God goes even beyond that point where you think you can conceive of a being greater than that.

What definition of God are you going by? In Greek Mythology, Zeus is the entirety of the Sky and Lightning. And there are other Gods that represent other parts of nature.

Not Greek mythology. Just the idea of one, single God. Nothing can transcend him/her (a single God is gender less). Nothing can transcend God simply because God is transcendence. God is the action of transcendence and as well as transcendent. Arising from the definition of a single God. A single God, by definition, is perfect. Perfect being: omniscience, omnipotent and omnipresent.

Well I see where you're coming from. Your viewpoint is equally valid. But that doesn't mean that it is demonstrable or conclusive
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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"] Not Greek mythology. Just the idea of one, single God. Nothing can transcend him/her (a single God is gender less). Nothing can transcend God simply because God is transcendence. God is the action of transcendence and as well as transcendent. Arising from the definition of a single God. A single God, by definition, is perfect. Perfect being: omniscience, omnipotent and omnipresent.GreekGameManiac

In a sense,you're right.

Yay :D
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#26 ShadowsDemon
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Okay then?
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The problem with people who assosiate themself with "commercial atheism" is... they want people to listen to their whining.....
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#29 MetalDogGear
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Believe in God needs absolutely no reason at all. You either do or do not. If you have a reason, that is likely a materialistic motivation, and there is no reason why God should care about your materialistic motivations.magicalclick
(1) I don't want to work for a living. (2) I don't want to pay taxes. (3) I can get gullible fundamentalists to send me money. (4) I can use religious exemption claims to tie the IRS up in court. (5) The IRS can't send me to prison. (6) Therefore, God exists.
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#31 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]

I've been thinking long and hard about this.

 

I don't believe in God, but I want to see if there is a reason to believe in him.

 

Everything I've come up with has been shot down.

 

So maybe someone here with a profound perspective could enlighten me.

GreekGameManiac

God isn't "him".

It's higher consciense(w/e),a big energy mass of oversouls.

WE are god,in a way.

Everything is.

stop establishing your poor metaphysics concepts as fact and calling ignorants to those who dont believe it, seriously.
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#32 lo_Pine
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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"] What definition of God are you going by? In Greek Mythology, Zeus is the entirety of the Sky and Lightning. And there are other Gods that represent other parts of nature.

Not Greek mythology. Just the idea of one, single God. Nothing can transcend him/her (a single God is gender less). Nothing can transcend God simply because God is transcendence. God is the action of transcendence and as well as transcendent. Arising from the definition of a single God. A single God, by definition, is perfect. Perfect being: omniscience, omnipotent and omnipresent.

Well I see where you're coming from. Your viewpoint is equally valid. But that doesn't mean that it is demonstrable or conclusive

I agree. It cannot be demonstrated. Maybe it cannot be demonstrated because God transcendent of everything we can conceive. Or maybe it cannot be demonstrated because its sort of an "Occams razor" principle. Because it is too hard to prove God doesn't exist, maybe impossible, that means God does not exist. Then again, a transcendent being is one that by definition, transcends human comprehension, so it would make sense to not be able to prove its existence. Its similar to a tesseract. We can conceive of one, even picture it (even then, what we pocture is 2 dimensional) but no one will ever know what it truly looks like. It is physically impossible to know in your mind what a 4 dimensional cube really looks like. Similar to the idea of a single God.
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#33 GreekGameManiac
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stop establishing your poor metaphysics concepts as fact and calling ignorants to those who dont believe it, seriously.lightleggy

Lol,says the guy who thinks he's always right.

I'm sorry,i don't take manners lessons from you.

If you think i'm arrogant,look in the mirror,kthxbai.

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Just stfu and submit to Allah already.

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Just stfu and submit to Allah already.

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We all submit to the almighty Dallah
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"] stop establishing your poor metaphysics concepts as fact and calling ignorants to those who dont believe it, seriously.GreekGameManiac

Lol,says the guy who thinks he's always right.

I'm sorry,i don't take manners lessons from you.

If you think i'm arrogant,look in the mirror,kthxbai.

I dont think im always right, I just dont like how you go around throwing stuff that you have no proof about, and expect people to believe on it, and when they dont, you call them ignorants, then when they ask you for proof, you just keep saying "you are an ignorant" and refuse to provide any evidence or anything. Look at the chi ball thread, everyone told you to film yourself doing a ball if it was so easy, and you just kept on saying the same thing "I posted instructions, its easy, try it", over and over, even when people said "Im probably just failing at it, upload your vid if its so easy" and you just answered again with "I posted instructions, try it". you are just aguy who likes to throw all the stuff he has heard of and then when confronted, just gets in a really petty defensive mode and dodge any questions made.
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[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] stop establishing your poor metaphysics concepts as fact and calling ignorants to those who dont believe it, seriously.lightleggy

Lol,says the guy who thinks he's always right.

I'm sorry,i don't take manners lessons from you.

If you think i'm arrogant,look in the mirror,kthxbai.

I dont think im always right, I just dont like how you go around throwing stuff that you have no proof about, and expect people to believe on it, and when they dont, you call them ignorants, then when they ask you for proof, you just keep saying "you are an ignorant" and refuse to provide any evidence or anything. Look at the chi ball thread, everyone told you to film yourself doing a ball if it was so easy, and you just kept on saying the same thing "I posted instructions, its easy, try it", over and over, even when people said "Im probably just failing at it, upload your vid if its so easy" and you just answered again with "I posted instructions, try it". you are just aguy who likes to throw all the stuff he has heard of and then when confronted, just gets in a really petty defensive mode and dodge any questions made.

Oh...this is the Chi ball guy? Damn I forgot about that thread. Hahahaha, dude has some mental issues
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Oh...this is the Chi ball guy? Damn I forgot about that thread. Hahahaha, dude has some mental issuesMetalDogGear

The feeling is mutual.

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#39 MetalDogGear
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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]

The feeling is mutual.

GreekGameManiac

Hey man, don't poison the well on me. That Chi-ball thread was way outta line bro.[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

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#40 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"] Hey man, don't poison the well on me. That Chi-ball thread was way outta line bro.

[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"] Oh...this is the Chi ball guy? Damn I forgot about that thread. Hahahaha, dude has some mental issuesGreekGameManiac

The feeling is mutual.

The guy also made a thread (a few months ago) about how he believed in magick (not magic) and then again proceeded to call ignorant to anyone who said it was bs, and when asked for proof, he just said "you are an ignorant". and this is how this guy works, when asked for proof he just dodges, and when people post proofs against what he says, he leaves.
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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

The feeling is mutual.

lightleggy

The guy also made a thread (a few months ago) about how he believed in magick (not magic) and then again proceeded to call ignorant to anyone who said it was bs, and when asked for proof, he just said "you are an ignorant". and this is how this guy works, when asked for proof he just dodges, and when people post proofs against what he says, he leaves.

He's got some explaining to do then. Big time
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#42 GreekGameManiac
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The guy also made a thread (a few months ago) about how he believed in magick (not magic) and then again proceeded to call ignorant to anyone who said it was bs, and when asked for proof, he just said "you are an ignorant". and this is how this guy works, when asked for proof he just dodges, and when people post proofs against what he says, he leaves.lightleggy

Lol?

There's no such thing as "proof" that says things like spirits,higher dimensions,and other stuff doesn't exist.

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Look at everything around you and ask yourself how does it work. Why do we need air to breathe, food to survive, sunlight, sleep etc. Someone or something Intellegent had to create this intricate universe that we live in.

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#44 GreekGameManiac
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Look at everything around you and ask yourself how does it work. Why do we need air to breathe, food to survive, sunlight, sleep etc. Someone or something Intellegent had to create this intricate universe that we live in.

-Renegade

They are ignorants,man.

Maybe they don't even have a soul,and thats why they can't understand a higher connection with things.

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#45 completeslasher
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Look at everything around you and ask yourself how does it work. Why do we need air to breathe, food to survive, sunlight, sleep etc. Someone or something Intellegent had to create this intricate universe that we live in.

-Renegade

done deal and seal, well said, science cannot even understand this basicness, even if it was a random blast in creation of this universe there is nothing random about life itself. nor is anything random about nature. Just look at sun, sun is but a GOD.

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You don't need to believe in a god if that's the conclusion you have reached. Guess it depends on how much you have thought about it. Personally am content with my nonbelief You should get an avatar and sig, ggm.
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[QUOTE="dave123321"]You don't need to believe in a god if that's the conclusion you have reached. Guess it depends on how much you have thought about it. Personally am content with my nonbelief You should get an avatar and sig, ggm.

Who is GGM?
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Good for you. I can't find a good reason either. But there really wasn't a need to make a topic out of it...
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You don't need to believe in a god if that's the conclusion you have reached. Guess it depends on how much you have thought about it. Personally am content with my nonbelief You should get an avatar and sig, ggm.dave123321

Read:

I've TRIED,i couldn't.

tinypic would just butcher it.

I may get one these days.

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#50 Inconsistancy
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Look at everything around you and ask yourself how does it work. Why do we need air to breathe, food to survive, sunlight, sleep etc. Someone or something Intellegent had to create this intricate universe that we live in.

-Renegade


Our universe started very simply, big poof (no bang, no sound) particles come out super hot. Initially it is so hot that gravity cannot pull the matter back into the center, and it expands to become too large for gravity to communicate that the gasses are attached to each other and should be collapsing to the center, instead they collapse into smaller gaseous blobs as they cooled. Then the first stars form, around them, more gas and more stars; the first galaxies. 

Those new stars are mostly huge, they are first hydrogen then they burn (combine via fusion) it 'til they're hydrogen, burn that to carbon and that to iron. These huge stars then, not able to fuse iron, either collapse in and bounce off their cores, as gravity fails to overcome matter, or collapse through their cores into infinity becoming a black hole. The ones that just rebound produce a super nova with all of their innards spilling out into space, and the super nova combing the iron to make all of the heavier elements. The process starts again, but this time with the heavier elements. These resulting nebulae form the rocky planets (there were probably gas giants in the very early universe, but certainly no rocky planets), and on one of them, once in a while, that's just far enough away and not too far, you find a primordial earth-like planet.

On one of these (Earth) chemicals form the building blocks of life, they come together, able to replicate, and we have proto-life. From those, increasing in complexity, eventually life forms and competition begins; evolution is born. From the first single cell, then multi-cellular life then to plants, fungi, and animals. The plants liberate oxygen from carbon dioxide with photosynthesis, the animals eat the plants and breath their waste product oxygen. We eat the animals and the plants.

Why do we sleep? Not 100% sure, but computers sometimes require to be restarted, to retain peak performance and to access OS-blocked portions of their hardware/software. I'd say we're likely imperfect, as the computers and their programs are, and have to sort of restart to get back up to full capacity and/or maybe cut down on stimuli while our brains finish processing the preceding day. Not only that, but it's more efficient. We can hardly see at night, so there's no reason to be wasting the energy trying to be alert and finding food.

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It doesn't take a genius (or even basic intelligence) to throw energy|matter into a void and for ^ to happen, just have to figure out how exactly we got something from nothing(nothing isn't w/o mass/volume); why physics is physics.