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#1 suckypc-ps360
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How did he!? How did he make matter, life, and how did he make HIMSELF!?

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#2 Serial-No_3404
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how can something that doesnt exist make something?
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#4 Video_Game_King
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This is the area of religion where the Church was lazy. They just say "He's always been" instead of philisophically solving all of this. Another lazy area? The existence of evil.
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#5 DrCoCoPiMp
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#6 suckypc-ps360
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how can something that doesnt exist make something?Serial-No_3404

god can do anything he wants :)

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How did he!? How did he make matter, life, and how did he make HIMSELF!?

suckypc-ps360

With alot of peanut butter.

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#8 Serial-No_3404
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[QUOTE="suckypc-ps360"]

How did he!? How did he make matter, life, and how did he make HIMSELF!?

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With alot of peanut butter.

mmmm peanut butter..*drools*
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#9 quiglythegreat
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Well, if God exists, I go with Einstein's leaning that it He probably had no other choice.Things exist. Everything else exists the only way it can to be self-consistent.
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Well, if God exists, I go with Einstein's leaning that it He probably had no other choice.Things exist. Everything else exists the only way it can to be self-consistent.quiglythegreat

But if he doesn't have a choice, then how is he all-powerful?

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Well, if God exists, I go with Einstein's leaning that it He probably had no other choice.Things exist. Everything else exists the only way it can to be self-consistent.Video_Game_King

But if he doesn't have a choice, then how is he all-powerful?

Well, He's not. Power I believe is an illusion.
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#12 ConManWithGun
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Well first god grabbed all this left over matter from his last universe, scrunched it all together and it exploded causing the big bang

and.....Raptor Jesus

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#13 suckypc-ps360
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im confused... :S
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#14 suckypc-ps360
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im confused... :S
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#15 ArmoredAshes
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Too many creationism threads today :roll:
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an oven. It came out half-baked though...
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#17 deactivated-59d151f079814
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PROOF THAT Creationism is true!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY0onv1gvsA

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#18 suckypc-ps360
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PROOF THAT Creationism is true!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY0onv1gvsA

sSubZerOo

ROFL MFAO!!!!!!!!!AHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAA

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#19 Silver_Dragon17
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I don't know about matter and life, but He didn't make Himself, He always was.
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#20 Doom_HellKnight
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The thing is, he didnt...
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#21 zsc4
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I think a better question is 'Why?', if God is the supreme being then he will know our actions therefore this world really isn't a test...because God would know what we are going to do. So Why?
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#22 Sir_Marwin
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PROOF THAT Creationism is true!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY0onv1gvsA

sSubZerOo


this is the truth :o :shock:
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#23 suckypc-ps360
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bump
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I don't know about matter and life, but He didn't make Himself, He always was.Silver_Dragon17

The only way I could see this as true is if time was cyclical.

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#25 Silver_Dragon17
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[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]I don't know about matter and life, but He didn't make Himself, He always was.Video_Game_King

The only way I could see this as true is if time was cyclical.

But God exists outside of time, so He wouldn't need to be created. Here is an article I found.

If God Created Everything, Who Created God?
by Rich Deem

Introduction

Who created God? It is an age-old question that has plagued all those who like to think about the big questions. Having grown up as an agnostic non-Christian, it provided me with a potential reason why there might not be any god. Various religions tend to solve the problem in different ways. The LDS church (Mormonism) says that the God (Elohim) to whom we are accountable had a father god, then grew up on a planet as a man, and progressed to become a god himself. Many other religions have claimed that gods beget other gods. Of course the problem with this idea is who is the first god and how did he get here? This problem of infinite regression

Christianity's answer

Christianity answers the question of who created God in the very first verse of the very first book, Genesis:

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)

This verse tells us that God was acting before time when He created the universe. Many other verses from the New Testament tells us that God was acting before time began, and so, He created time, along with the other dimensions of our universe:

  • No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. (1 Corinthians 2:7)
  • This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time (2 Timothy 1:9)
  • The hope of eternal life, which God... promised before the beginning of time (Titus 1:2)
  • To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen. (Jude 1:25)

God exists in timeless eternity

How does this get around the problem of God's creation? There are two possible interpretations of these verses. One is that God exists outside of time. Since we live in a universe of cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in which any kind of existence can function. However, the premise is false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being caused, but would have always existed. Therefore, God created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason - so that cause and effect would exist for us.

God exists in multiple dimension of time

The second interpretation is that God exists in more than one dimension of time. Things that exist in one dimension of time are restricted to time's arrow and are confined to cause and effect. However, two dimensions of time form a plane of time, which has no beginning and no single direction. A being that exists in at least two dimension of time can travel anywhere in time and never had a beginning, since a plane of time has no starting point. Either interpretation leads one to the conclusion that God has no need of having been created.

Why can't the universe be eternal?

The idea that God can be eternal leads us to the idea that maybe the universe is eternal, and, therefore, God doesn't need to exist at all. Actually, this was the prevalent belief of atheists before the observational data of the 20th century strongly refuted the idea that the universe was eternal. This fact presented a big dilemma for atheists, since a non-eternal universe implied that it must have been caused. Maybe Genesis 1:1 was correct! Not to be dismayed by the facts, atheists have invented some metaphysical "science" that attempt to explain away the existence of God. Hence, most atheistic cosmologists believe that we see only the visible part of a much larger "multiverse" that randomly spews out universes with different physical parameters.1 Since there is no evidence supporting this idea (nor can there be, according to the laws of the universe), it is really just a substitute "god" for atheists. And, since this "god" is non-intelligent by definition, it requires a complex hypothesis, which would be ruled out if we use Occam's razor, which states that one should use the simplest logical explanation for any phenomenon. Purposeful intelligent design of the universe makes much more sense, especially based upon what we know about the design of the universe.

Conclusion Top of page

God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of a plane of time). Hence God is eternal, having never been created. Although it is possible that the universe itself is eternal, eliminating the need for its creation, observational evidence contradicts this hypothesis, since the universe began to exist a finite ~13.7 billion years ago. The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific).

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#26 CptJSparrow
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God doesn't exist outside of time. Time is the passing of events along duration and space. Even if God were outside of the universe, this would apply. Needless to say, that doesn't mean something had to cause God.
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#27 MichaeltheCM
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ask Him when you die or read the Bible. God didnt make himself, He was always here. its too complex for us to understand.
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The article fails because it is trying to apply a being that we have no idea of in power, reason, appearence etc etc.. To a condition we can not imagine, reason with, or try to make conclusions with. Its like some one trying to visualize what the 5th to 10th dimensions are..
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#29 deactivated-59d151f079814
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ask Him when you die or read the Bible. God didnt make himself, He was always here. its too complex for us to understand. MichaeltheCM

Yet you make such a powerful broad stroking conclusion on something you do not understand what so ever, with a text past down by man a imperfect being. Which has rewritten this supposed perfect text making it imperfect not to mention possibly bias. Hell lets not forget it was written in a language created by an imperfect being on top of that.. Who's to say gods messages are too advanced or powerful to be correctly shown in our limited languages.. Sorry if I don't see your point persuasive at all.

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#30 thephoenix365
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he is god, and thus, if you beleive in him, he can do whatever he likes however he likes....
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#31 maniamsmart
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i think about that question also sometimes but no answer pops up
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#32 playstation2004
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Maybe, Maybe not:|
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The article fails because it is trying to apply a being that we have no idea of in power, reason, appearence etc etc.. To a condition we can not imagine, reason with, or try to make conclusions with. Its like some one trying to visualize what the 5th to 10th dimensions are..sSubZerOo

That doesn't mean it fails.:| You're now grasping at straws.

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ask Him when you die or read the Bible. God didnt make himself, He was always here. its too complex for us to understand. MichaeltheCM
Cop out.
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#35 Eman5805
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Just by speaking it into existance.

God just got it like that. 8)

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He hacked it for epic lulz.
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He hacked it for epic lulz.thriteenthmonke

*flips table*

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#39 353535355353535
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he said "im bored. i'll make a universe"
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Yes, ask us a at OT a philosophical question that still plagues mankind to this day, causes wars and arguements. When ultimately its something our little human minds will never understand.
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#41 Samwel_X
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

PROOF THAT Creationism is true!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY0onv1gvsA

Sir_Marwin



this is the truth :o :shock:

Well that killed an intelligent conversation :)

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#42 Cook66
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He didn't. There I said it.
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Are you looking for a tutorial?
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I don't know about matter and life, but He didn't make Himself, He always was.Silver_Dragon17

that's just a sorry excuse, because you christians have no answer to that question, becasue it's all made up.

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[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]I don't know about matter and life, but He didn't make Himself, He always was.mistervengeance

that's just a sorry excuse, because you christians have no answer to that question, becasue it's all made up.

link?

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[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]I don't know about matter and life, but He didn't make Himself, He always was.mistervengeance

that's just a sorry excuse, because you christians have no answer to that question, becasue it's all made up.

I have my own theories that IMO tie everything together quite nicely....
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He was celebrating Christmas one day and since he didn't have a birthday, he made himself a birthday cake for Christmas. Well when he blew out the cake, he blew just a little too hard and the cake and icing flew all over the universe.

At this point, he figured that the cake was so far away that he wanted help to gather it up. Since the cake pieces were so far away, he made little bacteria that would eat up and eventually dissolve the cake. He gave them all a little dissolvable spaceship to travel in to their various cake blobs.

When the bacteria landed, they ate up their ships first and then started to eat the cake. And the rest is history...

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Have you not seen family guy? He light a match and fartted on it. Hence the Big Band.
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[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]I don't know about matter and life, but He didn't make Himself, He always was.suckypc-ps360

that's just a sorry excuse, because you christians have no answer to that question, becasue it's all made up.

link?

link to what? the bible?

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[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]I don't know about matter and life, but He didn't make Himself, He always was.mistervengeance

that's just a sorry excuse, because you christians have no answer to that question, becasue it's all made up.

*sigh* Like I feel like dealing with sorry-ass atheists who seem to think that they are teh coolness. . .

Look, I posted a huge-ass freakin article written by a scientist on the subject, read it or beat it.