Heath Ledger overrated?

I admit he was fantastic in The Dark Knight, and Heard that he was great in Brokeback Mountain (probably will never watch it). He was a great actor, but Academy Award talk? Ridiculous. He was great, but you can't just give every actor who dies the "greatest portrayal of a movie villain ever." Are you kidding me?

Being done saying that, he was an incredible actor. RIP.

And sorry if this is old.

I admit he was fantastic in The Dark Knight, and Heard that he was great in Brokeback Mountain (probably will never watch it). He was a great actor, but Academy Award talk? Ridiculous. He was great, but you can't just give every actor who dies the "greatest portrayal of a movie villain ever." Are you kidding me?

Being done saying that, he was an incredible actor. RIP.

And sorry if this is old.

thequietguy

Of course you can't. You only give it to one person. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense.

No. Not at all. I actually find talk about him being more appreciated because he died ridiculous. While he didn't have too many quality roles, the ones he did have were great. If anything, people are just looking for an excuse to call him overrated. That excuse is that he has passed.Hey_Jay

Heard that he was great in Brokeback Mountain (probably will never watch it).thequietguy

Why the hell not?

Isn't it weird how some of the greatest die at the peaks of their careers, leaving legends behind?

Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Elvis, John Lennon.

For some reason, I can't think of anybody else right now.

Isn't it weird how some of the greatest die at the peaks of their careers, leaving legends behind?

Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Elvis, John Lennon.

For some reason, I can't think of anybody else right now.

thequietguy

Saying that Lennon and Elvis were at the peak of their careers when they died is probably giving them too much credit.

[QUOTE="thequietguy"]

Isn't it weird how some of the greatest die at the peaks of their careers, leaving legends behind?

Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Elvis, John Lennon.

For some reason, I can't think of anybody else right now.

UnrighteousFury

Saying that Lennon and Elvis were at the peak of their careers when they died is probably giving them too much credit.

Yeah, I know. But imagine if they were still alive today...

No. Not at all. I actually find talk about him being more appreciated because he died ridiculous. While he didn't have too many quality roles, the ones he did have were great. If anything, people are just looking for an excuse to call him overrated. That excuse is that he has passed.Hey_Jay

Have you seen the Patriot. Oscar worthy performance. I don't think it's overrated, he's a very versatile actor. CleanPlayer

Can anybody name his top performances? I would like to see more of his roles.

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]Have you seen the Patriot. Oscar worthy performance. I don't think it's overrated, he's a very versatile actor. thequietguy

Can anybody name his top performances? I would like to see more of his roles.

Monster's Ball
Brokeback Mountain
I'm Not There

Just to name a few...

[QUOTE="thequietguy"]

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]Have you seen the Patriot. Oscar worthy performance. I don't think it's overrated, he's a very versatile actor. Hey_Jay

Can anybody name his top performances? I would like to see more of his roles.

Monster's Ball
Brokeback Mountain
I'm Not There

Just to name a few...

[QUOTE="Hey_Jay"][QUOTE="thequietguy"]

Can anybody name his top performances? I would like to see more of his roles.

sammyjenkis898

Monster's Ball
Brokeback Mountain
I'm Not There

Just to name a few...

Thank you guys; I might check them out. I want to see more of his performances to see his true impact on the movie industry.

And that was officially the nerdiest thing I ever said.

And that was officially the nerdiest thing I ever said.

thequietguy

... and that's why I'm sure you'll fit in just fine here.:P

Just like artists like River Phoenix, 2pac, Kirk Cobain, Selena, artists who died too soon, etc. left us with great work and it's just kinda hard saying they were overrated because the work they left just showed they all had so much potential.

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]Have you seen the Patriot. Oscar worthy performance. I don't think it's overrated, he's a very versatile actor. thequietguy

Can anybody name his top performances? I would like to see more of his roles.

I admit he was fantastic in The Dark Knight, and Heard that he was great in Brokeback Mountain (probably will never watch it). He was a great actor, but Academy Award talk? Ridiculous. He was great, but you can't just give every actor who dies the "greatest portrayal of a movie villain ever." Are you kidding me?

Being done saying that, he was an incredible actor. RIP.

And sorry if this is old.

thequietguy

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"] Its really unfortunate that his death will be looked upon as the reason he gets award nominations for his role as the Joker (especially the big ones), it really is. Because you know what? Living or dead he DESERVES an oscar for his role as the Joker. He became that character. The character in TDK IS the Joker. If you grew up reading the comic books, that IS the Joker. Of course there are quite a few different takes on the character, but his is/was as good as any, and the best thats been in a medium other than a comic book. Furthermore, if you didn't know that the Joker was played by Heath Ledger before you saw the movie, would you be able to identify him as the actor playing him? I think it would be quite difficult to do. A big part of that is makeup, but a significant part of it is not. He does not sound like Heath Ledger, his natural voice doesn't come through at all during the film. As an actor his job was to assume a role and play it convincingly. He did that, did so to an extent not expected. It doesn't matter if it was for a comic book movie. The writing was there, the dialogue was there, the character was there, his acting was there. Thats it, thats all that matters. He is getting acknowledgments for the role because unlike most movies, the character is based off of source material, from which people already have an understanding of how the character should act. And he nailed that to the point where TDK isn't even really about Batman, its about the Joker. The people who don't think he should at least be nominated for his role are the ones who have this stigma that comic book movies cannot be of the same quality as true "films" but instead are limited to being blockbuster popcorn flicks. This may have been true in the past, but like any other material, if the talent is there (writing, directing, acting) the result can be on par with anything. Instead of saying he simply shouldn't be nominated or win the award, give me a reason as to why he shouldn't.biggest_loser

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"] Its really unfortunate that his death will be looked upon as the reason he gets award nominations for his role as the Joker (especially the big ones), it really is. Because you know what? Living or dead he DESERVES an oscar for his role as the Joker. He became that character. The character in TDK IS the Joker. If you grew up reading the comic books, that IS the Joker. Of course there are quite a few different takes on the character, but his is/was as good as any, and the best thats been in a medium other than a comic book. Furthermore, if you didn't know that the Joker was played by Heath Ledger before you saw the movie, would you be able to identify him as the actor playing him? I think it would be quite difficult to do. A big part of that is makeup, but a significant part of it is not. He does not sound like Heath Ledger, his natural voice doesn't come through at all during the film. As an actor his job was to assume a role and play it convincingly. He did that, did so to an extent not expected. It doesn't matter if it was for a comic book movie. The writing was there, the dialogue was there, the character was there, his acting was there. Thats it, thats all that matters. He is getting acknowledgments for the role because unlike most movies, the character is based off of source material, from which people already have an understanding of how the character should act. And he nailed that to the point where TDK isn't even really about Batman, its about the Joker. The people who don't think he should at least be nominated for his role are the ones who have this stigma that comic book movies cannot be of the same quality as true "films" but instead are limited to being blockbuster popcorn flicks. This may have been true in the past, but like any other material, if the talent is there (writing, directing, acting) the result can be on par with anything. Instead of saying he simply shouldn't be nominated or win the award, give me a reason as to why he shouldn't.JustPlainLucas

Weren't you a mod?Cloud_Insurance

You know he played the part so well in dark knight, that I actually didn't think it was Heath Ledger until someone told me so. Even when they told me I foundit hard to believe cause he portrayed the part very welltrubluah

He was decent in The Dark Knight, but completely overrated and overhyped. As for him being the "greatest portrayal of a movie villain ever," well, I would definitely contest any such claim, as there are plenty of actors who played villains better than he did (from just last year, Javier Bardem as Chigurh in No Country for Old Men).chessmaster1989

No. Not at all. I actually find talk about him being more appreciated because he died ridiculous. While he didn't have too many quality roles, the ones he did have were great. If anything, people are just looking for an excuse to call him overrated. That excuse is that he has passed.Hey_Jay