Game of Thrones Season 4 Give the Starks a break.

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#101  Edited By bobaban
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@SaintLeonidas said:

And

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@SaintLeonidas said:

Thoroughly pissed at the completely unnecessary "character assassination" of Jamie last night. Effectively ruined three seasons of character development and destroyed the legitimacy of any development that is supposed to come from him. Why they changed that scene from the book so much is beyond me

How did it go in the book?

Cersei resisted at first, only because she was afraid someone would see them and not because she didn't want it, and she quickly gets into it even more so than him - as in she actually said "yes" multiple times, kissed him back, "guided" him, repeats his name and how she missed him, etc. It was clearly consensual in the books. Making it rape goes against everything they've done so far with the character and ruins all the development that is supposed to happen (if they follow the book) with him and Brienne.

Really I thought it was better. Good and evil should not be light switch.

Cersei deserved to get raped anyway.

Good episode though, lot of character development.

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#102 SaintLeonidas
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@bobaban said:

@SaintLeonidas said:

And

@reaper4278 said:

@SaintLeonidas said:

Thoroughly pissed at the completely unnecessary "character assassination" of Jamie last night. Effectively ruined three seasons of character development and destroyed the legitimacy of any development that is supposed to come from him. Why they changed that scene from the book so much is beyond me

How did it go in the book?

Cersei resisted at first, only because she was afraid someone would see them and not because she didn't want it, and she quickly gets into it even more so than him - as in she actually said "yes" multiple times, kissed him back, "guided" him, repeats his name and how she missed him, etc. It was clearly consensual in the books. Making it rape goes against everything they've done so far with the character and ruins all the development that is supposed to happen (if they follow the book) with him and Brienne.

Really I thought it was better. Good and evil should not be light switch.

Cersei deserved to get raped anyway.

Good episode though, lot of character development.

...it is pretty clear (in the books at least but also in the show) that 1) Jaime, of all the shitty things he has done, DOES NOT rape & 2) He would never want to harm Cersei. So the scene just does not fit his character, period (and that is with or without all that development over the past few season). Not to mention it is completely unnecessary. Didn't add anything to the episode, or really have any point character wise (unless you weirdly enjoy rape beig used as punishment), and if the show follows the book with Jamie character in the next episode, the scene actually diminished the emotional weight and legitimacy of what he is about to do.

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#103 LoG-Sacrament
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@SaintLeonidas: i haven't seen the episode yet and it sounds like a crappy decision. still, i wonder if they plan on using this to make cersei more sympathetic and to add more motivation for her hatred of herself and men (although i guess you could read the last one as jealousy).

in the books, you never really get any of that until book 4 and by then she's gone way off the deep end. like you get the really nasty details of her marriage with robert and you also learn about her dreams as a child. of course, by then she's trying to do what robert did to her to another woman while also ignoring sound advice from her family.

again, i don't like the idea myself but i wonder if their intent was more for cersei than for jaime.

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#104 johnd13
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Great episode. That ending with the white walkers...

There were some deviations from the books like Bran getting captured, Ghost being caged by the same Night's Watch deserters and also that new guy that Jon met in Castle Black must be the one that cut(or aided in) Jamie's hand back when he was travelling with Brienne. The way he was shown makes me think that he'll play some serious part later on...

I was expecting to see some more of Danearys' army laying siege to Meereen tbh. It felt like they took the city too fast. All in all, this episode left me looking forward to the next one.

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#105  Edited By bowchicka07
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Had to bring this thread back. Just seen First of his Name and enjoyed it. Even though it was a little slow the battle at Castor's made up for it with that stab through the mouth and Jon reuniting with Ghost.

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#106 mjorh
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Kinda feel like the pace is slow , expecting cliffhanger...

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@johnd13 said:

Great episode. That ending with the white walkers...

There were some deviations from the books like Bran getting captured, Ghost being caged by the same Night's Watch deserters and also that new guy that Jon met in Castle Black must be the one that cut(or aided in) Jamie's hand back when he was travelling with Brienne. The way he was shown makes me think that he'll play some serious part later on...

I was expecting to see some more of Danearys' army laying siege to Meereen tbh. It felt like they took the city too fast. All in all, this episode left me looking forward to the next one.

Wow man, that ending. At first I wasn't very partial with all these changes from the books but they are slowly growing on me because it's adding suspense in the fact that I actually don't know what is going to happen next on the show.

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#109 SaintLeonidas
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I think anyone who didn't like the deviation with Jon and Bran are nuts. After the latest episode everything is pretty much back to square one. Jon is headed back to the wall to continue his story line, and Bran is back heading North. So really, nothing has changed. But in adding the attack on Craster's, they actually give Bran something to do during this season besides just traveling North; and we got a cool little battle with Jon. Both characters development was helped as well, with Jon now possibility going to gain more respect from the Watch (which he needs if the show follows the books) and Bran's decision to not meet or go with Jon shows his dedication to find the raven. There is really NO reason to complain anymore about those changes.

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@SaintLeonidas said:

I think anyone who didn't like the deviation with Jon and Bran are nuts. After the latest episode everything is pretty much back to square one. Jon is headed back to the wall to continue his story line, and Bran is back heading North. So really, nothing has changed. But in adding the attack on Craster's, they actually give Bran something to do during this season besides just traveling North; and we got a cool little battle with Jon. Both characters development was helped as well, with Jon now possibility going to gain more respect from the Watch (which he needs if the show follows the books) and Bran's decision to not meet or go with Jon shows his dedication to find the raven. There is really NO reason to complain anymore about those changes.

I agreed. It had me worried for a minute though because I thought Jon and Bran were going to meet up and that would have ticked me off. They really did well in adding that in without it affecting too much.

@Motokid6 said:

Dinklage deserves an Emmy after that monologue.

He already deserved one but I agree (:

Haven't seen episode 6 yet, is it any good?

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#113  Edited By mems_1224
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@Motokid6 said:

Dinklage deserves an Emmy after that monologue.

Seriously. That was amazing.

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#115  Edited By SaintLeonidas
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@Motokid6 said:

Dinklage deserves an Emmy after that monologue.

I'd give it to him for his stare at the end alone:

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#116  Edited By mems_1224
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@SaintLeonidas said:

@Motokid6 said:

Dinklage deserves an Emmy after that monologue.

I'd give it to him for his stare at the end alone:

the subtle smile sells it.

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#117 johnd13
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Damn that speech Tyrion gave at the end was amazing. I bow to Peter Dinklage and his acting. I was kinda expecting the episode to finish with the announcement of who is going to be his champion, that would have been even better.

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#119 lonewolf604
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Any people from the UK here? What do you guys think about Peter Dinklage's accent?

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#120  Edited By LordQuorthon
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@johnd13: Its obviously going to be Jaime. .. er... Oh shit what if Tywin picks Jaime as HIS champion? ( though idk with the gimp hand ) Who would Tyrion pick? Maybe Bronn again? Teacher vs the student.

Not even close.

Cersei will pick The Mountain and Prince Oberyn will offer Tyrion to fight for him to avenge his dead sister which, as you probably remember, was the reason why he went to King's Landing in the first place.

And that's as far as I'll be willing to spoil. A lot of unexpected things will happen on this season.

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#121  Edited By bowchicka07
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@LordQuorthon said:

@Motokid6 said:

@johnd13: Its obviously going to be Jaime. .. er... Oh shit what if Tywin picks Jaime as HIS champion? ( though idk with the gimp hand ) Who would Tyrion pick? Maybe Bronn again? Teacher vs the student.

Not even close.

Cersei will pick The Mountain and Prince Oberyn will offer Tyrion to fight for him to avenge his dead sister which, as you probably remember, was the reason why he went to King's Landing in the first place.

And that's as far as I'll be willing to spoil. A lot of unexpected things will happen on this season.

****SPOILER ALERT****

Yeah, I think they send Bronn off to marry and Jamie... well has one freakin hand and a gold stiff one lol. I was disappointed at the results of the trial by combat but ultimately satisfied by the end of book 3.

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#122 mjorh
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Brilliant acting ! Was shocked at the end !

Can't wait for the next episode....it's getting seriously exciting !

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#123  Edited By bowchicka07
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Yeah, I finally got to see it! Peter DInklage is just the man. Those stares and that sarcasm. I really like the guy who is playing Prince Oberyn as well. He is spot on.

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#124  Edited By harry_james_pot  Moderator
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From the promo it seems like next episode has the

snow castle, and "Only Cat". :D

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@Motokid6 said:

Dinklage deserves an Emmy after that monologue.

I said the exact same thing after I watched the episode. Dinklage is beyond fantastic as an actor.

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#126  Edited By SexyJazzCat
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I smell an emmy coming.

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#127  Edited By bowchicka07
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So Peter Dinklage stole last weeks episode. What did everyone think about last night's episode? I'm going to watch it this afternoon.

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#128  Edited By harry_james_pot  Moderator
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Great episode, but I'm really disappointed by that line change. :/ (You know what I'm talking about).

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#129  Edited By commander
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@bowchicka07 said:

So Peter Dinklage stole last weeks episode. What did everyone think about last night's episode? I'm going to watch it this afternoon.

aidan gillen stole it this week though

he made her scream twice lol

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@evildead6789 said:

@bowchicka07 said:

So Peter Dinklage stole last weeks episode. What did everyone think about last night's episode? I'm going to watch it this afternoon.

aidan gillen stole it this week though

he made her scream twice lol

I knew you would come around <3

@Motokid6 said:

Mockingbird may have been the best episode of the season so far. Every seen was an amazing performance. The best one though? Arya's kill. And I was particularly fond of the Hounds scene as well where he opened up a bit of his feelings. Arya and the Hound might be my favorite pair in the show to date. Can't wait to see what comes of it.

Oh and I LOVED the way they introduced Oberyn's scene and his story about the visit to Casterly rock. They tied that in beautifully with the books.

You're making me want to see it that much more. I will get to watch it in about an hour and I agree about arya and the hound being the best duo of characters. Hell, they were the best on their own as well.

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#132  Edited By Ballroompirate
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@LordQuorthon said:

@Motokid6 said:

@johnd13: Its obviously going to be Jaime. .. er... Oh shit what if Tywin picks Jaime as HIS champion? ( though idk with the gimp hand ) Who would Tyrion pick? Maybe Bronn again? Teacher vs the student.

Not even close.

Cersei will pick The Mountain and Prince Oberyn will offer Tyrion to fight for him to avenge his dead sister which, as you probably remember, was the reason why he went to King's Landing in the first place.

And that's as far as I'll be willing to spoil. A lot of unexpected things will happen on this season.

Cant wait for that scene, probably my most anticipated scene for this season.

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#133  Edited By johnd13
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Dat moment when Oberyn announced he will be Tyrion's champion. I felt hope rekinding inside Tyrion just as he was beginning to accept that his end is near.

Littlefinger is another character I'm growing fond of. He is as cunning as a man can get, carefully planning and executing his moves to an end not known even to us who have read the books.

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#134  Edited By commander
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@johnd13 said:

Dat moment when Oberyn announced he will be Tyrion's champion. I felt hope rekinding inside Tyrion just as he was beginning to accept that his end is near.

Littlefinger is another character I'm growing fond of. He is as cunning as a man can get, carefully planning and executing his moves to an end not known even to us who have read the books.

That scene when he makes her scream for the second time! lmao

and then that score

pure genius game of thrones

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@evildead6789 said:

@johnd13 said:

Dat moment when Oberyn announced he will be Tyrion's champion. I felt hope rekinding inside Tyrion just as he was beginning to accept that his end is near.

Littlefinger is another character I'm growing fond of. He is as cunning as a man can get, carefully planning and executing his moves to an end not known even to us who have read the books.

That scene when he makes her scream for the second time! lmao

and then that score

pure genius game of thrones

Well nobody's gonna miss her lol, she was a bitch.

I love listening to the end credits music just to let the recent events sink right into my head. God I love this show! :D

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#136 187umKILLAH
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Seriously Bronn WTF man? For a brief moment I was looking forward to the idea of Bronn destroying The Mountain, talk about letting the side down.

Son I am disappoint.

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#138  Edited By 187umKILLAH
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I wonder what Sansa will do with Robin, the freaky kid is still titty sucking so where's he gonna get his fix from now?

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#140  Edited By bowchicka07
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@Motokid6 said:

Well.. Bronn laid out a pretty good excuse. Oberyn will make for a much better champion.

Little Finger... May be the next most powerful man in Westeros after Tywin now. And I think Sansa is in the best possible position. Just gotta hope Baelish is kind to her.

Because if they do become a couple... The new lords of the vale could do great things with that power. But I wonder what will Baelish do with Robin ( Robert in the books ).. father him maybe?

Does Littlefinger come off as the fatherly type? Lmao, hell no! The only thing he is father to is power and he seems to be making all the right movies with all the right people like always. The Lannisters should have appreciated him more and kept him on a tighter leash and a closer watch.

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#142 SolidSnake35
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I hope Arya and the Hound get married soon.

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@SolidSnake35 said:

I hope Arya and the Hound get married soon.

lol

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#144 bowchicka07
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Finally got to watch that episode and wow it was good. They will still not give Jon Snow a damn break lol. All the plots seem to be boiling up for the end of this season such as The Mountain and Oberyn, Mance heading towards the wall, Briene looking for Sansa, and Arya and the hound.

The best parts were Bronn, Jamie, and Oberyn talking to Tyrion. Bronn and Jamie's were really funny and then Oberyn's part was a lot more serious and intense. I love the actor portraying him, he is dead on.

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#145  Edited By bowchicka07
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Bumping for new episode. I haven't seen it yet but would love to hear feedback and thoughts.

Apologies, I wasn't aware they skipped a week for the holiday?

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Memorial Day weekend so there was no new episode. Gotta wait until June 1 for episode 8.

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#148  Edited By 187umKILLAH
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@Motokid6 said:

I wonder how many more times the actors playing the mountain will change.

... If he wins that is.

I thought the original was more suitable as he's supposed to be The Hounds older brother and he looked older unlike this dude.

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#149  Edited By Serraph105
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So where is Walder Frey this season?

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@Serraph105 said:

So where is Walder Frey this season?

Dying. Hopefully.