FCC to vote on Pay-as-you-go Internet option proposal

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#1 brandojones
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I don't know about you, but this would pretty much kill me if it passes. They are voting on it December 21st.

""As details emerge about the Federal Communications Commission's controversial proposal for regulating Internet providers, a provision that would allow companies to bill customers for how much they surf the Webis drawing special scrutiny. Analysts say pay-as-you-go Internet access could put the brakes on the burgeoning online video industry, handing a victory to cable and satellite TV providers. Public interest groups say that trend will lead to a widening gap in Internet use in which the wealthiest would have the greatest access.""

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/12/08/2012243/FCC-Approving-Pay-As-You-Go-Internet-Plans

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#2 nintendoboy16
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For the love of god, please fail this proposal.
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#3 GazaAli
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WTF? let's hope this won't spread.
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#4 Upparoom
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FCC, don't ruin the Internet too.

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#5 fooZar777
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Haha, unbeleviable.

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#6 entropyecho
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I would hate if that happened.

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#7 funsohng
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I'm not sure WHY they want this anyway, other than to rip people off bad. Not sure why federal government is involved in this to start with.
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#8 __Chris__
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Reminds me of AOL in the good old days.

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#9 entropyecho
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I'm not sure WHY they want this anyway, other than to rip people off bad. Not sure why federal government is involved in this to start with.funsohng

Everyone would want to implement a pay-as-you-go or pay-to-play business model - it's lucrative.

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#10 Dante2710
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Cant say im surprised,I figured this would happen sooner or later. I bet Comcast is just giddy waiting for it to pass.
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#11 Shrimp_Scampi
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how is this the FCCs business, this would f*** you universities so badly and big business

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#12 mrbojangles25
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aaaaaaaaaaand the middle class continues to whither and die

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#13 Mochyc
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Here's what I'm thinking: if they do this, ISPs won't be forced to use the pay-as-you-go model. That being said, there has to be at least one ISP that won't use it. If that is so, then won't all consumers just use the non pay as you go ISP? If that is so, then won't the ISPs that use pay-as-you-go be uncompetitive and forced to let go of that model? Someone please clarify if what I'm saying makes any sense.
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#14 Half-Way
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serious business..

i always though the reason for a democracy was so the people would have the power to vote on the stuff that concerns them, but dosent seem like things are like that over there. seems like Corporations win. Thats what i call Capitalism>Democracy. :P

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#15 Foxi911
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.... I don't think that's a good idea.
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#16 PBSnipes
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If done right it's actually a great idea: with a reasonable price-per-bit and quality connection speed most people would save money on a metered plan (low-income households would especially benefit: we're talking e-mail and basic surfing for ~$5/month) with only the heaviest of users seeing a significant increase in their bill, and it largely puts the net neutrality issue to rest by turning the ISPs into dumb pipes (you can't exactly justify traffic shaping or similar practices when the end user is paying for all their data).

Of course there's no way in hell the price-per-bit would be anywhere near reasonable or that the ISPs would allow the FCC to turn them into dumb pipes, but it's nice to dream.

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#17 The-Tree
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Vote no.

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#18 Rockman999
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Cant say im surprised,I figured this would happen sooner or later. I bet Comcast is just giddy waiting for it to pass. Dante2710
I hope an old decommissioned Russion satellite crashes into their headquarters if it does get approved.
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Here's what I'm thinking: if they do this, ISPs won't be forced to use the pay-as-you-go model. That being said, there has to be at least one ISP that won't use it. If that is so, then won't all consumers just use the non pay as you go ISP? If that is so, then won't the ISPs that use pay-as-you-go be uncompetitive and forced to let go of that model? Someone please clarify if what I'm saying makes any sense.Mochyc
Yes, collusion never happens with oligopolies.

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#20 mitu123
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I pay nearly 80 bucks a month to get online and this is how you repay me?:|

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[QUOTE="Mochyc"]Here's what I'm thinking: if they do this, ISPs won't be forced to use the pay-as-you-go model. That being said, there has to be at least one ISP that won't use it. If that is so, then won't all consumers just use the non pay as you go ISP? If that is so, then won't the ISPs that use pay-as-you-go be uncompetitive and forced to let go of that model? Someone please clarify if what I'm saying makes any sense.cybrcatter

Yes, collusion never happens with oligopolies.

Kinda my worry about this whole deal. Markets work very well when competitive, not so much when not.

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Guys, guys, let's not forget what's important: Rich people. Now, I know we all want the Little People to have Internet access, but think about it: it's the rich people who give the Little People the money to go on the Internet in the first place, right? So, naturally, rich people should have greater access to the Internet. After all, we wouldn't want to let the Little People start thinking they're worth something, would we? :lol:
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#23 fl4tlined
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would this include like going on xboxlive or ps3 online? because if so thats even more ridicules
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#24 JML897
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would this include like going on xboxlive or ps3 online? fl4tlined

Why wouldn't it?

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#25 Vennligsinnet
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I'm seriously hoping this doesn't pass. I would be extremely unhappy if it did, not sure what I would end up doing.
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would this include like going on xboxlive or ps3 online? because if so thats even more ridiculesfl4tlined

What is this word?

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#27 kayoticdreamz
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aaaaaaaaaaand the middle class continues to whither and die

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this assumes the middle c lass isnt dead already
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[QUOTE="fl4tlined"]would this include like going on xboxlive or ps3 online? because if so thats even more ridiculesShrimp_Scampi

What is this word?

rid·i·cule(rd-kyl)

n.Words or actions intended to evoke contemptuous laughter at or feelings toward a person or thing: "I know that ridicule may be a shield, but it is not a weapon"(Dorothy Parker).tr.v.rid·i·culed, rid·i·cul·ing, rid·i·cules To expose to ridicule; make fun of.
[French, from Latin rdiculum, joke, from neuter of rdiculus, laughable; see ridiculous.]
ridi·culer n.Synonyms: ridicule, mock, taunt1, twit, deride
These verbs refer to making another the butt of amusement or mirth. Ridicule implies purposeful disparagement: "My father discouraged me by ridiculing my performances" (Benjamin Franklin).
To mock is to poke fun at someone, often by mimicking and caricaturing speech or actions: "Seldom he smiles, and smiles in such a sort/As if he mock'd himself, and scorn'd his spirit" (Shakespeare).
Taunt suggests mocking, insulting, or scornful reproach: "taunting him with want of courage to leap into the great pit" (Daniel Defoe).
To twit is to taunt by calling attention to something embarrassing: "The schoolmaster was twitted about the lady who threw him over" (J.M. Barrie).
Deride implies scorn and contempt: "Was all the world in a conspiracy to deride his failure?" (Edith Wharton).

ridicule[ˈrɪdɪˌkjuːl]

nlanguage or behaviour intended to humiliate or mock; derision

vb(tr) to make fun of, mock, or deride

[from French, from Latin rīdiculus, from rīdēre to laugh]
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#29 rcignoni
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I hate this corrupt industry.
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#31 lordreaven
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Guys, guys, let's not forget what's important: Rich people. Now, I know we all want the Little People to have Internet access, but think about it: it's the rich people who give the Little People the money to go on the Internet in the first place, right? So, naturally, rich people should have greater access to the Internet. After all, we wouldn't want to let the Little People start thinking they're worth something, would we? :lol:Theokhoth

I say.

I agree with the Theokhoth chap here, the "little people" are hardly deserving to lick my diamond studded Monday shoes. Why should they deserve something good?

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#32 Communistik
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I won't even go into the variety of reasons why I want this not to happen.

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#33 196432160425370547874320627439
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But wait I thought you guys were all for this net neutrality bill...hmmmm.

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#34 Theokhoth
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But wait I thought you guys were all for this net neutrality bill...hmmmm.

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. . . What in Dante's black Hell does this have to do with the net neutrality bill?
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#35 aransom
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I don't see why the internet should be any of the FCC's business anyway. The internet doesn't belong to the public, it belongs to whoever owns the different communication networks. These companies should be able to operate their networks in whatever way best serves their shareholders and customers.

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To quote Robert Forst. Nothing gold can stay.

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#37 196432160425370547874320627439
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[QUOTE="irishscott99"]

But wait I thought you guys were all for this net neutrality bill...hmmmm.

Theokhoth

. . . What in Dante's black Hell does this have to do with the net neutrality bill?

It is a provision in the bill dude

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/07/AR2010120706533.html

As details emerge about the Federal Communications Commission's controversial proposal for regulating Internet providers, a provision that would allow companies to bill customers for how much they surf the Web is drawing special scrutiny.

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[QUOTE="irishscott99"]

But wait I thought you guys were all for this net neutrality bill...hmmmm.

Theokhoth
. . . What in Dante's black Hell does this have to do with the net neutrality bill?

Because net Neutrality would put the internet into the hands of businesses my good chap, because when people say they don't want the government censoring the internet they clearly would rather be charged out the ass by big business for it!
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#39 xromad01
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i don't see this passing simply because of wifi.
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[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

[QUOTE="Mochyc"]Here's what I'm thinking: if they do this, ISPs won't be forced to use the pay-as-you-go model. That being said, there has to be at least one ISP that won't use it. If that is so, then won't all consumers just use the non pay as you go ISP? If that is so, then won't the ISPs that use pay-as-you-go be uncompetitive and forced to let go of that model? Someone please clarify if what I'm saying makes any sense.coolbeans90

Yes, collusion never happens with oligopolies.

Kinda my worry about this whole deal. Markets work very well when competitive, not so much when not.

The utilities market isn't all that competitive. There aren't usually more than a couple of providers for TV, internet, electricity and gas in a given area. The mobile phone companies are the main competitors. You can get a 4G modem from Sprint with unlimited data usage for a decent price per month. And you can take it anywhere.
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#41 Xeros606
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I'm completely fine with this.

Strangely enough, usage based pricing is the best way to preserve net neutrality while staying fair to ISPs.

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#42 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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This is going to kill a lot of online industries should this pass. And watch as even more jobs will leave the USA.
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#43 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"] Yes, collusion never happens with oligopolies.

wstfld

Kinda my worry about this whole deal. Markets work very well when competitive, not so much when not.

The utilities market isn't all that competitive. There aren't usually more than a couple of providers for TV, internet, electricity and gas in a given area. The mobile phone companies are the main competitors. You can get a 4G modem from Sprint with unlimited data usage for a decent price per month. And you can take it anywhere.

That was my point.

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#44 Baconbits2004
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Guys, guys, let's not forget what's important: Rich people. Now, I know we all want the Little People to have Internet access, but think about it: it's the rich people who give the Little People the money to go on the Internet in the first place, right? So, naturally, rich people should have greater access to the Internet. After all, we wouldn't want to let the Little People start thinking they're worth something, would we? :lol:Theokhoth

Definitely, definitely not.
Rich people are smarter and will use the internet better than lets say... someone making less than 40 grand a year.

Do we really want little sally, or Susan to contimplate how much bandwidth sending that :P emoticon will cost them before sending it?
I think we do.

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Come to think of it the rich could totally troll the poor by sending them links to bandwidth heavy sites. There's just so much wrong with the whole paying for internet as you go thing.
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#46 mrbojangles25
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="irishscott99"]

But wait I thought you guys were all for this net neutrality bill...hmmmm.

Ace6301

. . . What in Dante's black Hell does this have to do with the net neutrality bill?

Because net Neutrality would put the internet into the hands of businesses my good chap, because when people say they don't want the government censoring the internet they clearly would rather be charged out the ass by big business for it!

precisely.

I trust my government a helluva lot more than I do internet companies, especially given the history of how my internet company (Charter) has treated me and pretty much everyone I know.

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Behold! the end of the internet, and the beginning of anarchy.

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#48 xromad01
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] . . . What in Dante's black Hell does this have to do with the net neutrality bill?mrbojangles25

Because net Neutrality would put the internet into the hands of businesses my good chap, because when people say they don't want the government censoring the internet they clearly would rather be charged out the ass by big business for it!

precisely.

I trust my government a helluva lot more than I do internet companies, especially given the history of how my internet company (Charter) has treated me and pretty much everyone I know.

i have heard alot of complaints about charter from friends who live in other parts of the country but i have yet to have a single problem with their service the past 14 years or so.my wife doesn't use the pc that much but with myself and 3 kids each having a computer,there is obviously alot of traffic.but we have yet to have any problems as far as bandwidth restrictions or even any tech problems. however,once i tried verizon,after a few weeks i recieved a letter saying my service would be terminated due to excessive usage. my only question about pay as go. how would wifi work?what if someone uses the neighbor's internet connection,or stays in a hotel and steals internet from someone else.
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#49 fl4tlined
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i would be alright with this if a ton of internet companies didnt have competition.. for instance comcast is the only thing i get where i live and no other alternatives other then gulp..dial up
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Guys, guys, let's not forget what's important: Rich people. Now, I know we all want the Little People to have Internet access, but think about it: it's the rich people who give the Little People the money to go on the Internet in the first place, right? So, naturally, rich people should have greater access to the Internet. After all, we wouldn't want to let the Little People start thinking they're worth something, would we? :lol:Baconbits2004

Definitely, definitely not.
Rich people are smarter and will use the internet better than lets say... someone making less than 40 grand a year.

Do we really want little sally, or Susan to contimplate how much bandwidth sending that :P emoticon will cost them before sending it?
I think we do.

You're right. Think of all the job creation.