Faith and reason.

I keep hearing from people when I talk to them about religion that reason cannot be used against faith.

Well why not?

Why can't reason be used to explore and question faith?  It seems to me to be a cop out to say that faith is untouchable by trying to use reason to better understand it.  That faith is untouchable, that the one aspect that seems most important in life is inscrutable to logic.  Everything we better understand about our world around has been from reason and logic. 

 If we are to attribute everything to faith that we don't understand, why don't we just go back and live in the middle ages and believe that objects fall to the ground because they "desire" to do so?

To relegate all that we don't understand to belief without first trying to apply what we as a species have learned and discovered seems, as awkward as it may sound, like an insult to faith and seems to minimize its importance.

Thoughts?

P. S.- This is NOT meant as a "disprove or prove God" thread.  I'm just having trouble understanding why faith is above and beyond the realm of understanding, especially when something like the Bible is clearly understood by reason and held as evidence of God.......and a reason for faith.

*Hands out free flame shields to everyone*Crimson_Sin

Thanks, I Think I'll need one.

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[QUOTE="Crimson_Sin"]*Hands out free flame shields to everyone*jim_shorts

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="Crimson_Sin"]*Hands out free flame shields to everyone*Zaeryn

Reason was part of  church history and it lost favour. The ability to reason is important for believe. Questioning is at the core of exploring our believe.toad1956

Exactly.  Which is why I'm astonished that many can believe without at least questioning or trying to understand it.

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="Crimson_Sin"]*Hands out free flame shields to everyone*Crimson_Sin

In short, what is your question. Are you asking why we dont question things?.... I`m a Christian.jfkunrendered

The jist of it: "Why can't reason be used to explore and question faith?"

I swear, will these threads ever stop? Gamespot really needs a debate board.Account_27

The Deku shield burns up when exposed to flame though.jim_shorts

Well...i`ve questioned my faith before. But I see the alternative, which is evolution, and it is harder for me to believe in that than in my religion. Evolution is to farfetched for me, with no real transitional forms and so many scientist making up things...I guess...thats a tough question...put it in different words and it might help me to answer more complete.jfkunrendered

[QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]Well...i`ve questioned my faith before. But I see the alternative, which is evolution, and it is harder for me to believe in that than in my religion. Evolution is to farfetched for me, with no real transitional forms and so many scientist making up things...I guess...thats a tough question...put it in different words and it might help me to answer more complete.jim_shorts

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]Well...i`ve questioned my faith before. But I see the alternative, which is evolution, and it is harder for me to believe in that than in my religion. Evolution is to farfetched for me, with no real transitional forms and so many scientist making up things...I guess...thats a tough question...put it in different words and it might help me to answer more complete.jfkunrendered

*Hands out free flame shields to everyone*Crimson_Sin

[QUOTE="jfkunrendered"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]Well...i`ve questioned my faith before. But I see the alternative, which is evolution, and it is harder for me to believe in that than in my religion. Evolution is to farfetched for me, with no real transitional forms and so many scientist making up things...I guess...thats a tough question...put it in different words and it might help me to answer more complete.jim_shorts

For me, evolution is a much more plausible explanation than the world being created in 7 days.  I may as well believe in magic.  Evolution does have scientific backing, whereas the Bible is what believers refer to as evidence.  This isn't to say I don't believe in a higher power, as I do, but I also believe in evolution........a sort of byproduct of creation that occurred so long ago.

But this is off-topic.  Reason and faith.  Oil and water or what?

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="jfkunrendered"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]Well...i`ve questioned my faith before. But I see the alternative, which is evolution, and it is harder for me to believe in that than in my religion. Evolution is to farfetched for me, with no real transitional forms and so many scientist making up things...I guess...thats a tough question...put it in different words and it might help me to answer more complete.Rekunta

For me, evolution is a much more plausible explanation than the world being created in 7 days. I may as well believe in magic. Evolution does have scientific backing, whereas the Bible is what believers refer to as evidence. This isn't to say I don't believe in a higher power, as I do, but I also believe in evolution........a sort of byproduct of creation that occurred so long ago.

But this is off-topic. Reason and faith. Oil and water or what?