Does anyone else feel bad about the people who snap, and go on killing sprees?

Now, before Off-Topic collectively rips me a new one let me make a few things clear. I'm not referring to Jared Lee Loughner, because as far as I know, he wasn't being picked on/harassed. Nor did he tell anyone of the mental problems that we're plauging him. The reason that I'm posting this now, is because this recent rampage has reminded me of people from the past who snapped. And people that I know that could of.

For instance look at Cho/The Columbine shooters. They would always getting bullied so they snapped, and killed dozens of people. All of this could of been prevented if someone from a neutral party would of just listened to them. Listened to the problems that they we're having. And stood up against those bullies. If this was done then probably nobody would of died. But most people don't want to be bothered. Nobody really has any sympathy for the individuals who did this. I feel bad for Cho, and The Columbine shooters(even though they hated blacks(I'm black). If someone would of had the balls to stand up to the people bullying them then nothing would of happened. But even if someone would of given those bullies what they deservethere would of been consequences. So someone being bullied really has their back-against-the-wall. People aren't always going to just "take it". And you shouldn't expect them to. I'm not surprised when I hear about someone commiting suicide/killing peoplebecause of bullies..No matter how nice, and kind, and reserved someone appears to be, theycan becapable of irrational acts of violence. I should know. I should stop right there, I don't want to make this thread about me.

I have a friend who posts on this board, and out of respect for him, I'll keep him anonymous. When we we're little people use to bully him, all the way up to middle school if I remember correctly. And I would be the only one to stand up for him. He's really quiet. I still wonder what would of happened if I never would of decided to do that.

No, for they are losers.

You don't kill a whole class 'cause some lad bullies you ... Why not just kick him in one day?

No. A lot of people get bullied and don't go on killing sprees, and plenty of people that were never bullied go on killing sprees. There's something in a person that makes them capable of it, bullying or not.MichBelle

No, for they are losers.

You don't kill a whole class 'cause some lad bullies you ... Why not just kick him in one day?

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] I know that. I know that most people can take being bullied. But everyone's different. If you see someone getting bullied, no matter how okay with it they seem, you should stop it. For their sake, the bully's sake, and the people around you.rawsavon

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] I know that. I know that most people can take being bullied. But everyone's different. If you see someone getting bullied, no matter how okay with it they seem, you should stop it. For their sake, the bully's sake, and the people around you.MichBelle

I disagree. I always will have more sympathy for the victims because most of the time, they just happened to be at the wrong place, at the wrong time.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]I disagree. I always will have more sympathy for the victims because most of the time, they just happened to be at the wrong place, at the wrong time.MichBelle

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]I disagree. I always will have more sympathy for the victims because most of the time, they just happened to be at the wrong place, at the wrong time.-Big_Red-

Yeah, the killers are real victims in that scenario. (!)kamikaze_pigmy

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]I disagree. I always will have more sympathy for the victims because most of the time, they just happened to be at the wrong place, at the wrong time.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

No. Those losers were too weak to deal with their issues (or seek help for them) and were pathetic enough to take others with them just so they could have some control and power. They're incompetent dregs of society who could only get what they wanted by waving a gun around.

No. Those losers were too weak to deal with their issues (or seek help for them) and were pathetic enough to take others with them just so they could have some control and power. They're incompetent dregs of society who could only get what they wanted by waving a gun around.

Verge_6

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

No. Those losers were too weak to deal with their issues (or seek help for them) and were pathetic enough to take others with them just so they could have some control and power. They're incompetent dregs of society who could only get what they wanted by waving a gun around.

harashawn

No. Those losers were too weak to deal with their issues (or seek help for them) and were pathetic enough to take others with them just so they could have some control and power. They're incompetent dregs of society who could only get what they wanted by waving a gun around.

Verge_6

No. Those losers were too weak to deal with their issues (or seek help for them) and were pathetic enough to take others with them just so they could have some control and power. They're incompetent dregs of society who could only get what they wanted by waving a gun around.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

No. Those losers were too weak to deal with their issues (or seek help for them) and were pathetic enough to take others with them just so they could have some control and power. They're incompetent dregs of society who could only get what they wanted by waving a gun around.

-Big_Red-

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

No. Those losers were too weak to deal with their issues (or seek help for them) and were pathetic enough to take others with them just so they could have some control and power. They're incompetent dregs of society who could only get what they wanted by waving a gun around.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="harashawn"] The same could be said about the kids who bullied them, except they didn't use guns.-Big_Red-

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] You going to say that about people who commited suicide because of bullies now too? It would only be fair of you:roll:.

-Big_Red-

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] Nor did they kill anyone. Not really relevant.Verge_6

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] You asked a question, you got an answer. If you don't want to hear answers, don't make the thread.Verge_6

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] They certainly didn'thelp. You take bullies out of the equation, and everyone's alright.-Big_Red-

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

No, for they are losers.

You don't kill a whole class 'cause some lad bullies you ... Why not just kick him in one day?

-Big_Red-

I don't have sympathy for them either. Killing yoursellf cause someone bullies you is loserish behaviour. You could ... I dunno, move?

People just like to take the dramatic way out.

Hmmm, yes and no.

I feel badly for people who picked on or 'bullied,' but I also feel like there are a lot of choices and a lot of things you can consciously do. Ultimately the person who 'snaps' must be held responsible for their own actions. It's unfortunate that they're often pushed to the boiling point or whatever you want to call it, but in the end you have to take personal responsibility. I don't think that it's right that people are out there bullying others, but responding with violence is not the way to solve it either. This is one of the few times I'll say that you just kind of have to suck it up. Either that or seek help in a productive and healthy way or learn how to cope with it. It's sad that people who are bullied have to do these things, but that's life.

I also feel badly for people who are in mental anguish and/or are mentally ill and commit violent acts.
This scenario is a lot more complex because I don't know how much responsibility truly mentally ill people can take. I do hate that the insanity plea is abused and overused, but it is valid in some instances.
I guess as long as you can separate reality from unreality and you still know what is right and wrong, you should be held responsible for your own actions.
It's still unfortunate though.

Ultimately, innocent victims are the ones for whom I have the most sympathy, but these situations tend to be very complex and messy and unfortunate all around.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] So that would be a "yes" then?-Big_Red-

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] Take any hindering part of life and things are a lot easier. Sad thing is, bullies a part of life. Deal with them in ways that don't lead to you asking little girls if they believe in God before blowing their brains out with a TEC-9. God, I love OT...Verge_6

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

No, for they are losers.

You don't kill a whole class 'cause some lad bullies you ... Why not just kick him in one day?

I don't have sympathy for them either. Killing yoursellf cause someone bullies you is loserish behaviour. You could ... I dunno, move?

People just like to take the dramatic way out.

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] For the lulz, sure, why not?

Verge_6

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] If someone would of stopped those bullies, that would of never happened.-Big_Red-

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

No, for they are losers.

You don't kill a whole class 'cause some lad bullies you ... Why not just kick him in one day?

-Snooze-

I don't have sympathy for them either. Killing yoursellf cause someone bullies you is loserish behaviour. You could ... I dunno, move?

People just like to take the dramatic way out.

Here's another question; why are these killers being portrayed in this thread as some helpless victim that needed someone else to step in and put bullies in their place? What is stopping them from handling the situation themselves, sans the Glock method?

that makes no sense at all if they didn't want to get bullied, then why didn't they just ask for help or take a karate class instead of resorting to killing. I don't feel bad for them at all.Gallego

Not really. I mostly just feel bad for the victims.

so you pretty much think you are a hero then John?