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There doesn't have to be life elsewhere. There doesn't HAVE to be anything :xJandurinwell i get that but i mean.... it seems to be likely
[QUOTE="DrSponge"]There is evidence of other life, but no concrete proof. Until there is, I'm on the fence.SEANMCADIf you had to get concrete proof for everything you would spend a lifetime trying to get all the proof you needed to confirm that you will in fact wake up in the morning and you can in fact take a shower to get fairly clean. Or, you could just hedge your bets and give it a shot without concrete proof. We can't see life on other planets, therefore it has to be proven. You can see that you wake up in the morning and you feel clean after a shower and soap&water is known to clean you; proven.
We can't see life on other planets, therefore it has to be proven. You can see that you wake up in the morning and you feel clean after a shower and soap&water is known to clean you; proven.[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"] If you had to get concrete proof for everything you would spend a lifetime trying to get all the proof you needed to confirm that you will in fact wake up in the morning and you can in fact take a shower to get fairly clean. Or, you could just hedge your bets and give it a shot without concrete proof.SEANMCAD
sounds like although you demand proove for everything you are actually not at all familiar with the requirements of proove becuase what we all "see" is not how things really are. To "see" or "feel" something does NOT proove anything in the scientific relms.
So with that, looks like you got a lot of work ahead of you just to make it to work each morning.
It's proof enough to me that the bottle of water next to me exists because I can see it :| And yes, to feel something, is for it to be proved, since everything is made of molecules, you can feel it because of the presence of the molecules. Why don't you think feeling something proves it is there?Of course. The universe's huge, possibly infinite. There's bound to be some form of life, somewhere.
[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]There doesn't have to be life elsewhere. There doesn't HAVE to be anything :xDrSpongeaccording to the doctor.... *whistels* Yes, teh doctor has spoken. *runs away before they ask for proof again >__>*
"excuse me, who are you?"
off course theres is life out there
Life is a rare phenomena , but out galaxy alone has more than 100 billion star not to mintion another even bigger galaxies, the chances are slim that we find it using our current technology but it well get better in the future
but it seems to me that there is too much space far and in between us for the universe to be for the sole purpose of the human race.thirteen_zombieyour premise requires that there is a "purpose"
[QUOTE="thirteen_zombie"]but it seems to me that there is too much space far and in between us for the universe to be for the sole purpose of the human race.Jandurinyour premise requires that there is a "purpose" If you were to view the universe as a whole it would be nothing but tiny little dots, looking like microsopic molocules. We could very well just be a pitri dish of some cruel joke, or just a strand of DNA making up something larger. We may be a puddle on the ground somewhere else or we may be the chemical make up a material we've never heard of. I'm not saying that our lives serve some divine purpose or that the galaxy has a purpose, I just dont think the whole universe is for the use and enjoyment of only the human race on earth. I also dont think that a new life form needs to have a picture or physically be proven to be true. Think about the Flat Earth theory. When it was believed there was an edge to our world that you could walk out on and fall off the face of the planet. It was proved wrong much much later in time, but that doesnt mean that while they believed the earth was flat it actually was until we proved it wrong, or that finally proving it changed the make up of the earth because obviously it was round before we thought it was flat and will stay round for eternity wether people chose to believe it or not.
We can't see life on other planets, therefore it has to be proven. You can see that you wake up in the morning and you feel clean after a shower and soap&water is known to clean you; proven.[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"] If you had to get concrete proof for everything you would spend a lifetime trying to get all the proof you needed to confirm that you will in fact wake up in the morning and you can in fact take a shower to get fairly clean. Or, you could just hedge your bets and give it a shot without concrete proof.SEANMCAD
In fact, I would go as far as to say that its more likely to be life on other planets then it is for you to get up and get clean tomorrow successfully and yet you go about doing that without proove of success every morning.
That's nice. I don't.[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]That's nice. I don't. well if I had the time I am extreemly confident that I could proove that there is a larger chance of life existing on other planets then you successfully taking a shower tomorrow morning I'm worried if you're serious.In fact, I would go as far as to say that its more likely to be life on other planets then it is for you to get up and get clean tomorrow successfully and yet you go about doing that without proove of success every morning.
SEANMCAD
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="thirteen_zombie"]but it seems to me that there is too much space far and in between us for the universe to be for the sole purpose of the human race.thirteen_zombieyour premise requires that there is a "purpose" If you were to view the universe as a whole it would be nothing but tiny little dots, looking like microsopic molocules. We could very well just be a pitri dish of some cruel joke, or just a strand of DNA making up something larger. We may be a puddle on the ground somewhere else or we may be the chemical make up a material we've never heard of. I'm not saying that our lives serve some divine purpose or that the galaxy has a purpose, I just dont think the whole universe is for the use and enjoyment of only the human race on earth. I also dont think that a new life form needs to have a picture or physically be proven to be true. Think about the Flat Earth theory. When it was believed there was an edge to our world that you could walk out on and fall off the face of the planet. It was proved wrong much much later in time, but that doesnt mean that while they believed the earth was flat it actually was until we proved it wrong, or that finally proving it changed the make up of the earth because obviously it was round before we thought it was flat and will stay round for eternity wether people chose to believe it or not. Just becase we cant prove something at the current point in time doesnt make it any less true in the grand scheme. The earth was round during and after we thought it was flat, it doesnt matter that we finally proved it becuase it was fact all along, we just hadn't seen it. So just because there is no concrete evidence at this time, doesnt it make it not true, because it is very possible. I dont necissarily bevlieve that there are Marklars who marklar their marklars after they marklar, or that the 5th element is close to the truth of the universe, but I believe somewhere out there in a cave, or hidden in a valley there is a geod or a fungus with microsopic life form that could one day create a life on a planet if there isn't one there already. The earth itself gets new lifeforms being brought to it every day. Some are from aesteroids bringing micorspic lifeforms from aeseroids that break up in our atmosphere and fall to earth as little rocks. A lifeform on another planet doesnt mean it has to be a 6 foot tall 2 legged 2 arms huminoid, it could just be a fern, or a little bush, or an ameoba we've never seen.
[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"] well if I had the time I am extreemly confident that I could proove that there is a larger chance of life existing on other planets then you successfully taking a shower tomorrow morningSEANMCADI'm worried if you're serious.
There are very few things in the entire universe that are 100% predictably true. Therefore almost everything that has not yet happened is not factual because it hasn't happened yet.
Now given almost every action we take in life is based on non-factual information but rather predictability instead then we are left with comparing the predictably of your shower tomorrow vs. the predictably of life on another planent. Guess who wins?
No we're not comparing the predictably of my shower tomorrow vs. the predictably of life on another planet. I am saying that I do not believe in life on another planet until there is concrete evidence. Why do you believe that there is life on another planet when there is no concrete evidence?Your 'shower' argument is redundant, since I can't tell the future, and thus I cannot tell you if I will have a shower tomorrow.
[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]No we're not comparing the predictably of my shower tomorrow vs. the predictably of life on another planet. I am saying that I do not believe in life on another planet until there is concrete evidence. Why do you believe that there is life on another planet when there is no concrete evidence?There are very few things in the entire universe that are 100% predictably true. Therefore almost everything that has not yet happened is not factual because it hasn't happened yet.
Now given almost every action we take in life is based on non-factual information but rather predictability instead then we are left with comparing the predictably of your shower tomorrow vs. the predictably of life on another planent. Guess who wins?
SEANMCAD
Your 'shower' argument is redundant, since I can't tell the future, and thus I cannot tell you if I will have a shower tomorrow.
let me make it mo simple.
In short, NOTHING is 100% proovable peroid everything is probable.
So I should just believe anything? Okay. :|If we were to find one planet, not to big, not to small, not to close to its sun but not to far with the right orbit that may one day have asteroids crash into it, or already has traces of water or active volcanoes that could sculpt a habitable enviornment, then there is a possiblilty, if currently there is no other life, that one day there could be. Water and a closed atmosphere, with survivable weather is what a lifeform needs to sustain itself and begin growing.thirteen_zombieHow about if we go extinct due to WHATEVER, and an entirely new life forms HERE.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="DrSponge"]So I should just believe anything? Okay. :|DrSpongei'm right behind you *poke* *grabs your finger, snaps it and shoves it in your mouth* :| Ow. :|
yes, if you do not believe that there is not other life in the universe, you are simple minded and selfish. pygmahia5Because I don't believe, I'm selfish! :lol:
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