Do you believe Jesus once existed? (Poll)

Of course Jesus existed.Theokhoth

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Yes, most historians would agree, and there is evidence to support his existence.

But whether he was the son of God...

Did Jesus exist? Yes, I believe he did.

Was he the son of God? Did he have powers to walk on water, restore a man's sights, etc? No, I dont believe he was anything more than a delusional man.

Jesus is the son of God and even if he died on 26 to 36 (AD-CE) his name is still remembered by everyone, but do you believe Jesus once existed?mohan88

yes im sure he was in other history books besides the bible... except in the other history books he is not referred to as the son of god

You say, that Jesus IS the son of god, well in that sense, I don't think Jesus existed.
But there is no doubt that Jesus existed, and I really love his philosophy, but I do not think he was the son of god. He may have claimed it, but that only makes him a clever leader. Steingrimur

His philsophy was really nothing original, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle (not to mention the other greek philosophers) had a similar mind set.. And they were far before Jesus.

You say, that Jesus IS the son of god, well in that sense, I don't think Jesus existed.
But there is no doubt that Jesus existed, and I really love his philosophy, but I do not think he was the son of god. He may have claimed it, but that only makes him a clever leader. Steingrimur

I pretty much agree with this.

[QUOTE="Steingrimur"]You say, that Jesus IS the son of god, well in that sense, I don't think Jesus existed.
But there is no doubt that Jesus existed, and I really love his philosophy, but I do not think he was the son of god. He may have claimed it, but that only makes him a clever leader. sSubZerOo

His philsophy was really nothing original, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle (not to mention the other greek philosophers) had a similar mind set.. And they were far before Jesus.

True, but that doesn't necessarily make it a bad one.

I have not seen the evidence that Jesus Christ certainly existed.

I believe the Jesus myth is based upon many similar relgious stories from earlier belief systems.

Historians make inferences based on evidence found, so history changes often, as new evidence get discovered and inferences ande interpretations made from them.

I know there were many people called Jesus living in Israel during those times, based on historical evidence from the time. Jesus was quite a common name then.

There was an excellent documentary on the History channel I believe (or Discovery). I know, there are tons of those, but this one was different in that it really portrayed Jesus as a rabbi that was really mostly trying to reform the Jewish religeon at the time. Back then, according to the documentary, the priests at the time were becoming very corrupt money wise, becoming too involved with the current rulers, among other things.

I will try to locate the name of this documentary, but it was refreshing and made it quite apparent that Jesus was really trying to reform the Jewish religeon and correct the corruption. It was nice to see something without an overbearing christian slant,

I believe the Jesus myth is based upon many similar relgious stories from earlier belief systems.

diz360

Genetic fallacy.

There was an excellent documentary on the History channel I believe (or Discovery). I know, there are tons of those, but this one was different in that it really portrayed Jesus as a rabbi that was really mostly trying to reform the Jewish religeon at the time. Back then, according to the documentary, the priests at the time were becoming very corrupt money wise, becoming too involved with the current rulers, among other things.

I will try to locate the name of this documentary, but it was refreshing and made it quite apparent that Jesus was really trying to reform the Jewish religeon and correct the corruption. It was nice to see something without an overbearing christian slant,

flazzle

Let's see, Jesus was a rabbi, fact, and the sadducees and pharisees are continually criticised in the gospels as hypocrities (cleansing of the temple). It starts to look convincing. And the Jewish people were definitely in the mood to find a messiah at the time, which no doubt helped.

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I believe the Jesus myth is based upon many similar relgious stories from earlier belief systems.

Theokhoth

Genetic fallacy.

I beg your pardon?

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I believe the Jesus myth is based upon many similar relgious stories from earlier belief systems.

Theokhoth

Genetic fallacy.

Actually Giligamesh has similar stories to the bible.. and its older.

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I believe the Jesus myth is based upon many similar relgious stories from earlier belief systems.

diz360

Genetic fallacy.

Ibeg your pardon?

Link is broken.

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I believe the Jesus myth is based upon many similar relgious stories from earlier belief systems.

sSubZerOo

Genetic fallacy.

Actually Giligamesh has similar stories to the bible.. and its older.

Genetic fallacy. Also Gilgamesh has nothing about Jesus or a "Jesus character" that I recall.

[QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="diz360"]

I believe the Jesus myth is based upon many similar relgious stories from earlier belief systems.

Theokhoth

Genetic fallacy.

Ibeg your pardon?

Link is broken.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="diz360"]

I believe the Jesus myth is based upon many similar relgious stories from earlier belief systems.

sSubZerOo

Genetic fallacy.

Actually Giligamesh has similar stories to the bible.. and its older.

Genetic fallacy. Also Gilgamesh has nothing about Jesus or a "Jesus character" that I recall.

I am speaking about the Bible in general.. Gilgamesh eludes to quite a few things, such as a great flood..

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diz360

It still doesn't work.

I am speaking about the Bible in general.

sSubZerOo

In a topic about Jesus.

Link is broken.

Theokhoth

fixed and repeated here. So much for your fallacy!

(EDIT fixed again finally - I blame Google Chrome beta and the tiniest of all Dell laptops - sorry!)

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I am speaking about the Bible in general.

Theokhoth

In a topic about Jesus.

Theok I was saying its a possibility, settle down dude.. No one is saying your beliefs are wrong..

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Link is broken.

ories from earlier belief systems.

diz360

fixed and repeatedhere. So much for your fallacy!

I'm sorry, but your link just doesn't work.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

I am speaking about the Bible in general.

sSubZerOo

In a topic about Jesus.

Theok I was saying its a possibility, settle down dude.. No one is saying your beliefs are wrong..

I didn't say they were.:|

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Link is broken.

diz360

fixed and repeated here. So much for your fallacy!

(EDIT fixed again finally - I blame Google Chrome beta and the tiniest of all Dell laptops - sorry!)

Sorry, but an article that references Price, Doherty and others of their ilk simply is not a good source, especially since most of those compared myths have no actual comparison.

And by the way, this whole "comparitive mythology" thing is based on the Genetic Fallacy.

I'm sorry, but your link just doesn't work. Theokhoth

But they do now.

Try the URL yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ_in_comparative_mythology

Sorry, but an article that references Price, Doherty and others of their ilk simply is not a good source, especially since most of those compared myths have no actual comparison.

And by the way, this whole "comparitive mythology" thing is based on the Genetic Fallacy.

Theokhoth

Are you saying there were no influences on Christianityfrom earlier beliefs? Even the most ardent Christian would find that suggestion laughable.

The page to which I refer sources many other religions and authors despite the ones that seem to scare you. The sheer weight of evidence from these earlier religions is indisputible.

Your genetic fallacy comment is not relevent here. I am not overlooking the differences to be found between the mythical Christ and previous religions, but comparing them instead.

I'll acknowledge that he may have existed, but that's as far as it goes. He didn't perform any miracles and if he did exist, than he was just as human as we are.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Sorry, but an article that references Price, Doherty and others of their ilk simply is not a good source, especially since most of those compared myths have no actual comparison.

And by the way, this whole "comparitive mythology" thing is based on the Genetic Fallacy.

diz360

Are you saying there were no influences on Christianityfrom earlier beliefs?

No; I'm saying that the idea that Christ never existed based on made-up similarities is laughable and fallacious.

Even the most ardent Christian would find that suggestion laughable.

I doubt that.

The page to which I refer sources many other religions and authors despite the ones that seem to scare you.

And they are wrong. They do not frighten me; I am not frightened by incompetence. Instead of letting Wikipedia do your talking, why don't you give me x deity and x deity's similarities?

The sheer weight of evidence from these earlier religions is indisputible.

Like hell it is. Most of this is discredited by actual study, and it is the consensus of the entire historical community that Jesus did exist. That is what is indisputable.

Your genetic fallacy comment is not relevent here.

You: "There are similarities to other religions. Therefore Christ did not exist." That is an attack on the origin of Christ and Christianity that concludes with "therefore, it was wrong," and thus is a genetic fallacy.

I am not overlooking the differences to be found between the mythical Christ and previous religions, but comparing them instead.

And concluding that Christ did not exist based on these myths.

Please, give me something besides a Wikipdia article.

What the? Five people dismiss he existed? Wow. I understand that believing in him being the Son of God takes faith, but complete dismissal that he even existed? That's just being down right unreasonable and totally ignorant.Lansdowne5