Did anyone see those new pics of a matador getting gored?

It has been the big buzz lately. Just go to google and I am sure you can find it. Pretty graphic though, so watch out. I'd post it if I weren't afraid of being suspended or something.

Anyway, it makes me sick to look at those pictures. Not because the guy was gored, but because of what that poor animal had to go through. I mean, if you look in the pics, you will see that they were torturing it by throwing spears or swords or whatever it is they use into it's back. Blood is everywhere. I can't believe they could be so cruel. And for what? A little entertainment? The matador deserved it, IMO. if you want to kill a bull, do it in a slaughterhouse where the animal isn't taunted in front a huge crowd. Matadors are scum of the world, seriously. I don't understand how anyone could defend them.

But yeah, just thought I'd let OT know about these new pictures surfacing.

No and from the description I don't want to.

I hate graphic stuff like that.

I haven't seen it, and I don't want to see it, but it would be poetic justice if everyone who tormented animals for living died as a result of it, as far as I'm concerned. I don't think too highly of the people who find that stuff entertaining either.

is this the picture that you're talking about?

hmm, that does look very painful for the matador..

Needled - No.

This guy got gored in the throat and the horn came out his mouth.

Needled - No.

This guy got gored in the throat and the horn came out his mouth.

Scalien26

*googles image*

O MAH GWAD!

EDIT: Apparently the bull was killed by other matadors.

Needled - No.

This guy got gored in the throat and the horn came out his mouth.

Scalien26

Yeah, I just saw the pictures and the video. I'm kind of surprised the guy lived. megagene

Needled - No.

This guy got gored in the throat and the horn came out his mouth.

Scalien26

That's insane. I wonder if he'll pull through in the end. He's still alive for now, but it doesn't mean he's out of the woods yet.

Well torturing isn't the right word... It's tradition. The spears have decorations and whatnot, and the people prodding them do it for the sake of the fight. Yeah, it's sad, but that's their culture. Nascar seems stupid to many, but to the people that like it, it's not.dreDREb13

Well torturing isn't the right word... It's tradition. The spears have decorations and whatnot, and the people prodding them do it for the sake of the fight. Yeah, it's sad, but that's their culture. Nascar seems stupid to many, but to the people that like it, it's not.dreDREb13

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="dreDREb13"]Well torturing isn't the right word... It's tradition. The spears have decorations and whatnot, and the people prodding them do it for the sake of the fight. Yeah, it's sad, but that's their culture. Nascar seems stupid to many, but to the people that like it, it's not.dreDREb13

Does anyone know what they do with the bulls once the fight is over? I just want to know if they let the meat go to waste or not :P

Does anyone know what they do with the bulls once the fight is over? I just want to know if they let the meat go to waste or not :P

jubino

It has been the big buzz lately. Just go to google and I am sure you can find it. Pretty graphic though, so watch out. I'd post it if I weren't afraid of being suspended or something.

Anyway, it makes me sick to look at those pictures. Not because the guy was gored, but because of what that poor animal had to go through. I mean, if you look in the pics, you will see that they were torturing it by throwing spears or swords or whatever it is they use into it's back. Blood is everywhere. I can't believe they could be so cruel. And for what? A little entertainment? The matador deserved it, IMO. if you want to kill a bull, do it in a slaughterhouse where the animal isn't taunted in front a huge crowd. Matadors are scum of the world, seriously. I don't understand how anyone could defend them.

But yeah, just thought I'd let OT know about these new pictures surfacing.

Scalien26

I sure hope you're a vegan, or your post would be hypocrisy at its best.

Do you have any idea how bad conditions often are on mass-production farms?

are you really telling me that the suffering and cruel treatment of animals is OKAY just so long as it isn't a public spectacle? "Out of sight, out of mind", is that what you're suggesting?

[QUOTE="jubino"]

Does anyone know what they do with the bulls once the fight is over? I just want to know if they let the meat go to waste or not :P

dragon7x2k

[QUOTE="megagene"]Yeah, I just saw the pictures and the video. I'm kind of surprised the guy lived. StopThePresses

I wonder how many more chickens and pigs will have to suffer in awful conditions in order to provide us Gamespotters with bacon and buffalo wings.

thats sad, on both parts

Ok, some things really need to be settled about how bullfighting is percieved.

Firstly, the breed of bull that is used for bullfighting is the last living remnant of the wild cattle that once roamed Europe and the Mediterranean basin. Hunted to extinction everywhere else, the breed lives on in Spain, southern France, and Latin America because of bullfighting. Without bullfighting, the breed would be extinct. In this sense, bullfighting helps to preserve biodiversity.

Secondly, the bulls that are used in bullfighting live much better lives than the animals that end up in your hamburger. They live on large open ranges for at least four years before they go to the fights. Compare that with the typical two year lifespan of cattle destined for the slaughterhouse. Also, one should compare the living conditions of fighting bulls against those of cattle in American feed lots. You will find that the industrial feed lots are far more cramped and stressfull than the open ranges that are provided to fighting bulls. Sometimes, if a fighting bull performs exceptionally well in the ring, then its life is spared and the bull becomes breedings stock (basically, the bull is put on a pasture and given a harem of females to breed with for the rest of his life). A fighting bull stands a chance at the grandest bovine prize. Cattle destined for the slaughterhouse have no such chance.

Tell me what life you would prefer: that of a typical cow in which you live two years of which one quarter of your time is spent in an unsanitary, cramped, and stressfull feed lot before you are unceremoniously struck in the head with a bolt that knocks you out and then you are slaughtered...or...the life of a fighting bull in which you live for four years in a large open range before you are sent to a fighting ring in which you at the very least stand a chance at taking a human down with you or at the most you may earn a reprieve from death and live out the rest of your natural life having sex with a harem of females.

Finally, bullfighting is a tradition that goes back centuries. They're not going to stop, and that's all there is to it.

I sure hope you're a vegan, or your post would be hypocrisy at its best.

Do you have any idea how bad conditions often are on mass-production farms?

are you really telling me that the suffering and cruel treatment of animals is OKAY just so long as it isn't a public spectacle? "Out of sight, out of mind", is that what you're suggesting?

MrGeezer

Wow, I actually agree with you about something. 8)

Ok, some things really need to be settled about how bullfighting is percieved.

Firstly, the breed of bull that is used for bullfighting is the last living remnant of the wild cattle that once roamed Europe and the Mediterranean basin. Hunted to extinction everywhere else, the breed lives on in Spain, southern France, and Latin America because of bullfighting. Without bullfighting, the breed would be extinct. In this sense, bullfighting helps to preserve biodiversity.

dkrustyklown

That is stretching the line pretty thin.

Secondly, the bulls that are used in bullfighting live much better lives than the animals that end up in your hamburger. They live on large open ranges for at least four years before they go to the fights. Compare that with the typical two year lifespan of cattle destined for the slaughterhouse. Also, one should compare the living conditions of fighting bulls against those of cattle in American feed lots. You will find that the industrial feed lots are far more cramped and stressfull than the open ranges that are provided to fighting bulls. Sometimes, if a fighting bull performs exceptionally well in the ring, then its life is spared and the bull becomes breedings stock (basically, the bull is put on a pasture and given a harem of females to breed with for the rest of his life). A fighting bull stands a chance at the grandest bovine prize. Cattle destined for the slaughterhouse have no such chance.

dkrustyklown

Tell me what life you would prefer: that of a typical cow in which you live two years of which one quarter of your time is spent in an unsanitary, cramped, and stressfull feed lot before you are unceremoniously struck in the head with a bolt that knocks you out and then you are slaughtered...or...the life of a fighting bull in which you live for four years in a large open range before you are sent to a fighting ring in which you at the very least stand a chance at taking a human down with you or at the most you may earn a reprieve from death and live out the rest of your natural life having sex with a harem of females.

dkrustyklown

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

Tell me what life you would prefer: that of a typical cow in which you live two years of which one quarter of your time is spent in an unsanitary, cramped, and stressfull feed lot before you are unceremoniously struck in the head with a bolt that knocks you out and then you are slaughtered...or...the life of a fighting bull in which you live for four years in a large open range before you are sent to a fighting ring in which you at the very least stand a chance at taking a human down with you or at the most you may earn a reprieve from death and live out the rest of your natural life having sex with a harem of females.

Dylan_11

Really? You think it's better to keep a cow locked up in a small space for 2 years instead of living twice as long in cow paradise because it dies for mcdonald's "greater cause"?

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

Tell me what life you would prefer: that of a typical cow in which you live two years of which one quarter of your time is spent in an unsanitary, cramped, and stressfull feed lot before you are unceremoniously struck in the head with a bolt that knocks you out and then you are slaughtered...or...the life of a fighting bull in which you live for four years in a large open range before you are sent to a fighting ring in which you at the very least stand a chance at taking a human down with you or at the most you may earn a reprieve from death and live out the rest of your natural life having sex with a harem of females.

topgunmv

Really? You think it's better to keep a cow locked up in a small space for 2 years instead of living twice as long in cow paradise because it dies for mcdonald's "greater cause"?

The guy looked well spun-out walking off

That is stretching the line pretty thin.Dylan_11

So you would prefer that this subspecies become extinct, then? I would prefer that it be preserved.

Live happily right up until the moment they are forced into a ring and torured before their inevitable death.Dylan_11

Twice the lifespan is definitely worth the pain at the end, especially since the fighting bull stands a chance at taking a human down with him and may even be spared death to spend the rest of his life having sex in a large field. Bullfighting gives the bull double the lifespan, a better quality of life, and a chance to become a breeder, whereas the life of typical cattle destined for the slaughterhouse is guaranteed death after half of the lifespan of a fighting bull and without any chance of reprieve.

If I had to choose, neither. Both are crappy lives, but at least the typical cow is killed for a reason.Dylan_11

It's one or the other. There is no option C (none of the above). It's either fighting ring or slaughterhouse.

Also, carrying on a cultural tradition and providing a reason for the subspecies to even exist IS a reason.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]If I had to choose, neither. Both are crappy lives, but at least the typical cow is killed for a reason.

Dylan_11

Really? You think it's better to keep a cow locked up in a small space for 2 years instead of living twice as long in cow paradise because it dies for mcdonald's "greater cause"?

I'd rather die for entertainment if it meant my entire life wouldn't suck and I would live twice as long.

Die to feed people or die for entertainment? Not a tough choice.Dylan_11

"Feeding people" is not inherently a good thing. JI mean, that all sort of depends on WHAT you feed them. Just today, I fed myself three Volcano Burritos from Taco Bell, and 30 chicken nuggets from McDonalds.

I wasn't starving or anything. Those animals simply died because I like the way they taste.

The argument against bullfighting is not so much the cruelty involved – anyone who eats beef could be perceived as hypocritical in that respect – it's the positioning of it as a 'sport'. The premise of killing a bull slowly for entertainment in front of a baying crowd is difficult to defend in this modern age – it sucks. If it's a sport, at least make it a 50/50 chance for the animal. Bear wrestling would be fairer, and I would say more entertaining.

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Really? You think it's better to keep a cow locked up in a small space for 2 years instead of living twice as long in cow paradise because it dies for mcdonald's "greater cause"?

topgunmv

I'd rather die for entertainment if it meant my entire life wouldn't suck and I would live twice as long.

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Die to feed people or die for entertainment? Not a tough choice.MrGeezer

"Feeding people" is not inherently a good thing. JI mean, that all sort of depends on WHAT you feed them. Just today, I fed myself three Volcano Burritos from Taco Bell, and 30 chicken nuggets from McDonalds.

I wasn't starving or anything. Those animals simply died because I like the way they taste.

Die to feed people or die for entertainment? Not a tough choice.Dylan_11

Bulls killed in the ring are eaten.

]I'm not arguing for what I would prefer, we aren't cows. This is about what benefits people in the end, killing an animal for entertainment value benefits no one.Dylan_11

Ironically, it benefits the bulls, since if it were not for the bullfights, the breed would not even exist.

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]]I'm not arguing for what I would prefer, we aren't cows. This is about what benefits people in the end, killing an animal for entertainment value benefits no one.dkrustyklown

Ironically, it benefits the bulls, since if it were not for the bullfights, the breed would not even exist.

It's a peculiar rationisation to suggest that being bred/kept alive solely to be killed for human entertainment is beneficial to the animal in question. I doubt if the cow could talk he'd be grateful for this 'privilege'.

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]]I'm not arguing for what I would prefer, we aren't cows. This is about what benefits people in the end, killing an animal for entertainment value benefits no one.dkrustyklown

Ironically, it benefits the bulls, since if it were not for the bullfights, the breed would not even exist.

Hey if they are all dead they can't feel the pain and torture anymore right? Seriously though this argument is a strawman (never really used this saying before someone correct me if I am wrong.....not you person I am quoting) If I argue against your view then apparently I am supporting extinction, you are not directly arguing my point about torture.Dylan_11

Strawman? A strawman argument is when one invents a ridiculous position for the opposing side and then argues against the ridiculous position even though the opposing side never argued for that position in the first place.

It amazes me that a developed European country still has such a barbaric tradition, and I know a lot of Spanish people who agree (or at least they say they do anyway). I would be concerned about anybody that can enjoy even watching an animal slowly tortured then murdered, they could probably enjoy watching the same happen to a person and many forensic psychiatrist's say that most torture murderer's start with animals.

Just too clarify here, I am not against the killing of an animal or even a person in certain circumstances, but I do not believe they should be subjected to torture and tormented prior to death.

Oh my god! Thats Awful! ... Is the Bull okay!?