http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer08/gymnastics/news/story?id=3550793

China official ties confusion about gymnast's age to bad paperwork

BEIJING -- China's deputy sports minister has attributed the confusion about the age of one of its gold medalist gymnasts to a paperwork mistake during a team transfer.

At last year's China's Cities Games, Chinese officials decided to move He Kexin, who won two gold medals during the Beijing Games, from a local team to the national team. China's deputy sports minister Cui Dalin said Sunday that it was during this transfer that a "misunderstanding appeared" about her age.

"Last year at the all-city competition, He Kexin moved from one team to another and during the process of registering during the move, there appeared this age discrepancy," Cui said during a news conference.

"So it was the appearance of a mistake in the process of transferring teams that the misunderstanding appeared. However, I can right here accurately say that the ages of the members of our gymnastics delegation entirely conform to the requirements for participation in the Beijing Olympic Games."

It was at last year's China's Cities Games that the Chinese government's news agency, Xinhua, identified He as one of "10 big new stars" who made a splash at the event and gave her age as 13 in a Nov. 3, 2007 report.

Stop the whining, they'll still finish top of the Gold Medal count even if the medals were stripped off them.

But I suppose justice must be done.

Stop the whining, they'll still finish top of the Gold Medal count even if the medals were stripped off them.Hoobinator

lets cut them down and count the rings...Ninja_Dog

Stop the whining, they'll still finish top of the Gold Medal count even if the medals were stripped off them.

But I suppose justice must be done.

Hoobinator

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Stop the whining, they'll still finish top of the Gold Medal count even if the medals were stripped off them.

But I suppose justice must be done.

NetYankEagle

Yeah congrats in being second or third more times than China. Anyway, every country has cheaters.

it's stuff like this that ruins the olympicsToriko42

[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Stop the whining, they'll still finish top of the Gold Medal count even if the medals were stripped off them.

But I suppose justice must be done.

Ilived

Yeah congrats in being second or third more times than China. Anyway, every country has cheaters.

EDIT: And if second and third finishes don't matter, why do they get medals? How many second place finishers did you have?

[QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Stop the whining, they'll still finish top of the Gold Medal count even if the medals were stripped off them.

But I suppose justice must be done.

blackngold29

Yeah congrats in being second or third more times than China. Anyway, every country has cheaters.

EDIT: And if second and third finishes don't matter, why do they get medals? How many second place finishers did you have?

America: We are going for gold because we are superior! America: Well actually bronze and silver matters to me and counts suddenly! Maybe Bhutan didn't, but the US sure had plenty.

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

America: We are going for gold because we are superior! America: Well actually bronze and silver matters to me and counts suddenly! Maybe Bhutan didn't, but the US sure had plenty. Ilived

[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Stop the whining, they'll still finish top of the Gold Medal count even if the medals were stripped off them.

But I suppose justice must be done.

Ilived

Yeah congrats in being second or third more times than China. Anyway, every country has cheaters.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Stop the whining, they'll still finish top of the Gold Medal count even if the medals were stripped off them.

But I suppose justice must be done.

Ilived

Yeah congrats in being second or third more times than China. Anyway, every country has cheaters.

EDIT: And if second and third finishes don't matter, why do they get medals? How many second place finishers did you have?

America: We are going for gold because we are superior! America: Well actually bronze and silver matters to me and counts suddenly! Maybe Bhutan didn't, but the US sure had plenty.

omg now first im not chinese and i dont support any team, but what i do know is

1. if america won the gymnastics then no one would have made a deal about this.

2. if she can do it younger than its just better i know people say well she is more felxible etc etc, but a older person is wiser, has more experience and is more calm. I would be more proud to see a younger person do soething amazing than a older person. The olympics should be something for people of all ages

3. sure they made a mistake and broke the rules but even still i beleive the medal shouldnt be stripped of He beucase she did an outstanding job for her age.

that is all

omg now first im not chinese and i dont support any team, but what i do know is

1. if america won the gymnastics then no one would have made a deal about this.

2. if she can do it younger than its just better i know people say well she is more felxible etc etc, but a older person is wiser, has more experience and is more calm. I would be more proud to see a younger person do soething amazing than a older person. The olympics should be something for people of all ages

3. sure they made a mistake and broke the rules but even still i beleive the medal shouldnt be stripped of He beucase she did an outstanding job for her age.

that is all

tarunramesh

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

mrbojangles25

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

[QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Stop the whining, they'll still finish top of the Gold Medal count even if the medals were stripped off them.

But I suppose justice must be done.

NetYankEagle

Yeah congrats in being second or third more times than China. Anyway, every country has cheaters.

EDIT: And if second and third finishes don't matter, why do they get medals? How many second place finishers did you have?

America: We are going for gold because we are superior! America: Well actually bronze and silver matters to me and counts suddenly! Maybe Bhutan didn't, but the US sure had plenty.

They have multiple times before. We don't know if they did in any of the events for this olympics, we might find out later on like the other time. It's not like the chinese gymnasts used steroids or something. I don't know it's that much of an advantage in being 1 or 2 years younger. Besides, I'd be more worried about how obviously biased the judges were towards China in a lot of the events(including the womens gymnastics).

I dont wanna say anything bad here, but the women's gymnastics regarding China vs the US was, at the very least, suspicious. One Chinese gymnast fell off the balance beam and still managed to receive a 15.3, while another girl on the beam (non US), did a pretty error free routine and only received a 14.8. I also didnt like the whole tiebreaker thing with Nastia and the Chinese girl.Allicrombie

The tiebreaker has always been there, so if you think China suddenly changed the rules then you are paranoid. I agree the judges were a little too soft on the Chinese, but one would also think that they actually did a more unique and difficult routine everytime.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

tarunramesh

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

[QUOTE="tarunramesh"]

omg now first im not chinese and i dont support any team, but what i do know is

1. if america won the gymnastics then no one would have made a deal about this.

2. if she can do it younger than its just better i know people say well she is more felxible etc etc, but a older person is wiser, has more experience and is more calm. I would be more proud to see a younger person do soething amazing than a older person. The olympics should be something for people of all ages

3. sure they made a mistake and broke the rules but even still i beleive the medal shouldnt be stripped of He beucase she did an outstanding job for her age.

that is all

NetYankEagle

yes i am well aware of it, i myself do alot of martial arts and i can understand how felxibility and other things work expically with the different age groups. But seriously it doenst matter beucase a older person has something a yonger person doesnt have and a younger has something an older person doesnt have , in the end what does it matter

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

tarunramesh

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

That's not the point at all. You can argue about how the rule should be changed all you want but the fact stands they broke the present rule. Breaking the rule is cheating, and they should be stripped of there medals.

[QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

NetYankEagle

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

Pure speculation and a hint of western/American media BS. The Chinese gov didn't take children away from their family, perhaps the family allowed it and wanted what's best for them. They are very much happy and with their families. Your story seems a little cliche and might make a great movie someday.

[QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

NetYankEagle

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

dude read my post, i clearly said that people should be able to choose their own lives, if they want to be the best gymnast then it should be thier choice and no one elses. I agree the goverment did something wrong and i am not supporting it, learn to read

[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Stop the whining, they'll still finish top of the Gold Medal count even if the medals were stripped off them.

But I suppose justice must be done.

Ilived

Yeah congrats in being second or third more times than China. Anyway, every country has cheaters.

EDIT: And if second and third finishes don't matter, why do they get medals? How many second place finishers did you have?

America: We are going for gold because we are superior! America: Well actually bronze and silver matters to me and counts suddenly! Maybe Bhutan didn't, but the US sure had plenty.

They have multiple times before. We don't know if they did in any of the events for this olympics, we might find out later on like the other time. It's not like the chinese gymnasts used steroids or something. I don't know it's that much of an advantage in being 1 or 2 years younger. Besides, I'd be more worried about how obviously biased the judges were towards China in a lot of the events(including the womens gymnastics).

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

tarunramesh

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

Well, for starters, there are the rules. Now I dont know why they exist, but they do, and the majority (if not all, in a good competition) obey the rules. Its simple: obey the rules, or get disqualified/lose your medal.

As for the 14, I agree...if a 14 year old willingly smuggled herself into the competition and won gold, I would feel good for her. But she broke the rules, so see above.

As for the Chinese girl, I dont think she did it willingly. I am not saying she was held at gunpoint, but it is what she has been doing her whole life, as mandated by the government. She did her best because she felt thats what she should do, she did not do her best because it what she wanted to do, imo.

[QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

SAURON221

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

That's not the point at all. You can argue about how the rule should be changed all you want but the fact stands they broke the present rule. Breaking the rule is cheating, and they should be stripped of there medals.

i can get where your coming from but seeriously i beleive that He has trained hard and deserves the medal she earned. Persnally if u ask me both i think for this one time they should make an exeception and alow 2 gold medals to be won for this event

[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

tarunramesh

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

dude read my post, i clearly said that people should be able to choose their own lives, if they want to be the best gymnast then it should be thier choice and no one elses. I agree the goverment did something wrong and i am not supporting it, learn to read

[QUOTE="SAURON221"][QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

tarunramesh

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

That's not the point at all. You can argue about how the rule should be changed all you want but the fact stands they broke the present rule. Breaking the rule is cheating, and they should be stripped of there medals.

i can get where your coming from but seeriously i beleive that He has trained hard and deserves the medal she earned. Persnally if u ask me both i think for this one time they should make an exeception and alow 2 gold medals to be won for this event

[QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Stop the whining, they'll still finish top of the Gold Medal count even if the medals were stripped off them.

But I suppose justice must be done.

NetYankEagle

Yeah congrats in being second or third more times than China. Anyway, every country has cheaters.

EDIT: And if second and third finishes don't matter, why do they get medals? How many second place finishers did you have?

America: We are going for gold because we are superior! America: Well actually bronze and silver matters to me and counts suddenly! Maybe Bhutan didn't, but the US sure had plenty.

They have multiple times before. We don't know if they did in any of the events for this olympics, we might find out later on like the other time. It's not like the chinese gymnasts used steroids or something. I don't know it's that much of an advantage in being 1 or 2 years younger. Besides, I'd be more worried about how obviously biased the judges were towards China in a lot of the events(including the womens gymnastics).

Now you're just being a clueless little kid. What, this was your first every olympics that you actually payed attention to(I bet it is)? Well there have been other summer olympics too you know and certain athletes who got their medals stripped later on(1-3 years later) and now they cry over it. Being 16 might be a difference than being 14 in gymnastics but they both have their advantages and disadvantages to even it out. Anyway, I guess it's the rules just like how the tiebreaker was so we should just shutup and hope that they actually start changing some rules in some events because some of them are quite ridiculous.

[QUOTE="SAURON221"][QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

tarunramesh

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

That's not the point at all. You can argue about how the rule should be changed all you want but the fact stands they broke the present rule. Breaking the rule is cheating, and they should be stripped of there medals.

i can get where your coming from but seeriously i beleive that He has trained hard and deserves the medal she earned. Persnally if u ask me both i think for this one time they should make an exeception and alow 2 gold medals to be won for this event

I don't care how hard she trained the rules were broken thus medal should be stripped.

Both the Chinese and American teams did well. Yes, the Chinese gymnast look young, but so do a lot of 16 year old gymnasts. If China put under age gymnasts in, then yes the medals that involved thoses gymnasts (team gold and uneven parallel bars) should be taken away.

[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

Ilived

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

Pure speculation and a hint of western/American media BS. The Chinese gov didn't take children away from their family, perhaps the family allowed it and wanted what's best for them. They are very much happy and with their families. Your story seems a little cliche and might make a great movie someday.

[QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

NetYankEagle

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

Pure speculation and a hint of western/American media BS. The Chinese gov didn't take children away from their family, perhaps the family allowed it and wanted what's best for them. They are very much happy and with their families. Your story seems a little cliche and might make a great movie someday.

Well see you don't know anything about the situation, but please continue to talk out of your ass.

Both the Chinese and American teams did well. Yes, the Chinese gymnast look young, but so do a lot of 16 year old gymnasts. If China put under age gymnasts in, then yes the medals that involved thoses gymnasts (team gold and uneven parallel bars) should be taken away.

grizza

[QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

NetYankEagle

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

dude read my post, i clearly said that people should be able to choose their own lives, if they want to be the best gymnast then it should be thier choice and no one elses. I agree the goverment did something wrong and i am not supporting it, learn to read

lol dude thats my point im saying that it shouuld have been the gymnast choice lol, sorry if i worded it wrongly i tend to have a porblem with expressing my viewpoint but haha ya i meant it should be the gymnasts choice and not the goversmnts

[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

Ilived

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

Pure speculation and a hint of western/American media BS. The Chinese gov didn't take children away from their family, perhaps the family allowed it and wanted what's best for them. They are very much happy and with their families. Your story seems a little cliche and might make a great movie someday.

Well see you don't know anything about the situation, but please continue to talk out of your ass.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]Stop the whining, they'll still finish top of the Gold Medal count even if the medals were stripped off them.blackngold29

TRUE!!

[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

tarunramesh

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

dude read my post, i clearly said that people should be able to choose their own lives, if they want to be the best gymnast then it should be thier choice and no one elses. I agree the goverment did something wrong and i am not supporting it, learn to read

lol dude thats my point im saying that it shouuld have been the gymnast choice lol, sorry if i worded it wrongly i tend to have a porblem with expressing my viewpoint but haha ya i meant it should be the gymnasts choice and not the goversmnts

[QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

NetYankEagle

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

Pure speculation and a hint of western/American media BS. The Chinese gov didn't take children away from their family, perhaps the family allowed it and wanted what's best for them. They are very much happy and with their families. Your story seems a little cliche and might make a great movie someday.

Well see you don't know anything about the situation, but please continue to talk out of your ass.

OMG IOC? The same people who announced that there was no proof of the Chinese being underaged? Like this would have been an issue if the US won the gold right?

[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

Ilived

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

Pure speculation and a hint of western/American media BS. The Chinese gov didn't take children away from their family, perhaps the family allowed it and wanted what's best for them. They are very much happy and with their families. Your story seems a little cliche and might make a great movie someday.

Well see you don't know anything about the situation, but please continue to talk out of your ass.

OMG IOC? The same people who announced that there was no proof of the Chinese being underaged? Like this would have been an issue if the US won the gold right?

[QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

NetYankEagle

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

Pure speculation and a hint of western/American media BS. The Chinese gov didn't take children away from their family, perhaps the family allowed it and wanted what's best for them. They are very much happy and with their families. Your story seems a little cliche and might make a great movie someday.

Well see you don't know anything about the situation, but please continue to talk out of your ass.

OMG IOC? The same people who announced that there was no proof of the Chinese being underaged? Like this would have been an issue if the US won the gold right?

You lack of knowledge of how things work outside the US is obvious.

[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

Ilived

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

Pure speculation and a hint of western/American media BS. The Chinese gov didn't take children away from their family, perhaps the family allowed it and wanted what's best for them. They are very much happy and with their families. Your story seems a little cliche and might make a great movie someday.

Well see you don't know anything about the situation, but please continue to talk out of your ass.

OMG IOC? The same people who announced that there was no proof of the Chinese being underaged? Like this would have been an issue if the US won the gold right?

You lack of knowledge of how things work outside the US is obvious.

If the U.S. gymnasts were underaged there would be a far bigger out cry. If the girls are underaged they should be stripped of there medals as simple that.

[QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="tarunramesh"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Not to bash on China or anything, but does it seem like the winning of gold medals is more like a business to them? I mean, the point of the Olympics is competition; its about doing your best, and being happy or unhappy with the results. I know thats kind of a weak argument but I think you can see the distinction.

I know a couple people that went to China and taught school there. They say the Chinese people are great, lovely people but they are very different. Like one day they did arts and crafts and were making these bracelets, but they didnt know what to do. So the teacher gave them an example, and the Chinese kids proceeded to make bracelets as quickly as they can that were identical to the teacher's. And she clearly said for them to be creative.

I mean, its like China in the Olympics is going for the gold because they were told to. Other nations do it because they want it, or because they enjoy the competition, and winning the gold is a really really nice perk.

I mean, should we really be supporting the government adoption and near-kidnapping of young children from their families so they can be trained rigeriously to compete in a competition? Its almost inhuman.

SAURON221

agree with you completely but if it is about doing your best than is there something wrong with a 14 year old doing her best, as i stated before they should make it as of now that any age person can join. If a 5 year old has achieved what a 20 year old is capable of than im happy to know that there is a 5 year old who works so hard.

But i agree it should be the choice of a person, it shouldnt be something forced upon a person. People should be able to choose their own life and not some retarted goverment choosing it

Pure speculation and a hint of western/American media BS. The Chinese gov didn't take children away from their family, perhaps the family allowed it and wanted what's best for them. They are very much happy and with their families. Your story seems a little cliche and might make a great movie someday.

Well see you don't know anything about the situation, but please continue to talk out of your ass.

OMG IOC? The same people who announced that there was no proof of the Chinese being underaged? Like this would have been an issue if the US won the gold right?

You lack of knowledge of how things work outside the US is obvious.

If the U.S. gymnasts were underaged there would be a far bigger out cry. If the girls are underaged they should be stripped of there medals as simple as that.

No it wouldn't, there would be just as much attention by the Chinese. Though who the hell is arguing against them getting stripped? It's just the fact that it's being treated as if the girls had taken drugs or something that is getting annoying.

mrbojangles25

No it wouldn't, there would be just as much attention by the Chinese. Though who the hell is arguing against them getting stripped? It's just the fact that it's being treated as if the girls had taken drugs or something that is getting annoying.

No it's being treated like people cheating in the largest Athletic games in the world, which it should be