Changing Mr. Popo was the right decision.

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#1 gaming25
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If you dont know, 4Kids changed the character Mr Popo (from DBZ) to a glowing blue that makes him more like a magician. I agree with the change that they did with Mr. Popo. Understand why I am saying this before you disagree.

Look up "black face" and understand how prejudice it is to portray the only seemingly black person in the cartoon as completely black, like, the actual color black, and then have the red lips as if he put on super gloss #2. Then to have a trubin on his head to bunch up a lot of minorities together with one character is terrible. His main duties was to be "the help" which is what most black characters in films back in the 40s,50s, and 60s had to play in order to get a role. Which made me cringe when I heard Kami say "you have kept the place nice"as soon as Kami came back due toPicollo being revived. I am not saying that Toriyama is a flat out racist, but you must understand why it can be seen this way, and it is definitely prejudice.

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#2 topsemag55
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Could you please paragraph that a little? It's a large block of text.:P

Makes it easier to read.:)

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#3 nottu
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It might not seem racist in japan though, but I also agree with the change for american T.V
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#4 Head_of_games
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Hello.

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#5 rawsavon
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I have no idea what is being discussed here.
Mr. Popo...race...???

Is there some sort of link I can read?

EDIT:
Never mind...another user provided one.
Now I see

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#6 FragStains
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I think you are thinking of the movie Alien.
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#7 topsemag55
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I have no idea what is being discussed here. Mr. Popo...race...??? Is there some sort of link I can read?rawsavon

He's talking about the anime cartoon Dragonball Z.

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#8 FragStains
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]I have no idea what is being discussed here. Mr. Popo...race...??? Is there some sort of link I can read?topsemag55

He's talking about the anime cartoon Dragonball Z.

A little context goes a long way on the Internet.
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#9 frostybanana
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It wasn't meant to be racist in the first place.
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#10 TheHighWind
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I don't get why they change it to blue what's wrong with him being black?

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#11 gaming25
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It wasn't meant to be racist in the first place.frostybanana
Doesnt matter. The character was very stereotypical to begin with.
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#12 needled24-7
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wow, it's really not that big of a deal. they shouldn't have to change anything.

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#13 gaming25
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I don't get why they change it to blue what's wrong with him being black?

TheHighWind

Read the OP. Black people arent the complete color black.

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#14 MediumBread
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I never noticed until just now that Popo looked all black face. Then again, I haven't watched Dragon Ball for years.

Why is black face offensive anyway?

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#15 Necrifer
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Blue just looks more...exotic.

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#16 gaming25
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[QUOTE="MediumBread"]

I never noticed until just now that Popo looked all black face. Then again, I haven't watched Dragon Ball for years.

Why is black face offensive anyway?

You mean the form of entertainment in the 20s? Because it was supposed to be a caricature of black people that white people would dress up like them and do "jigs".
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[QUOTE="MediumBread"]

I never noticed until just now that Popo looked all black face. Then again, I haven't watched Dragon Ball for years.

Why is black face offensive anyway?

gaming25

You mean the form of entertainment in the 20s? Because it was supposed to be a caricature of black people that white people would dress up like them and do "jigs".

Hmmm...I wouldn't be offended if a black man "whited" himself up and jigged. But that's just me.

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#19 rawsavon
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▲ Typical american views on race. "Durp we have to be sensitive towards everything that we can relate to race". This is a rediculous thread. And why are you looking so much into an anime from the 80's. It's people like you that are the reason why there are all these racists around, because you make everything about race! Popo isin't even human, how can he be black? This is such a bad thread damn. If there are any good mods here, please fore the sake of all that is holy LOCK THIS THREAD. ▲

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So anime/cartoons can't be racist :?
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#20 Serraph105
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ok....I read it and you're right.

Next time try some paragraphing. Also don't jump into, "You need to understand," state that you get where some people might be coming from for disagreeing with you. Also in this case you might want to use some comparative pictures.

all these things would help your thread.

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▲ Typical american views on race. "Durp we have to be sensitive towards everything that we can relate to race". This is a rediculous thread. And why are you looking so much into an anime from the 80's. It's people like you that are the reason why there are all these racists around, because you make everything about race! Popo isin't even human, how can he be black? This is such a bad thread damn. If there are any good mods here, please fore the sake of all that is holy LOCK THIS THREAD. ▲

Loco_Live
What an ignorant post. The character is very stereotypical. And since we all have souls, being insensitive is wrong.
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#22 frostybanana
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[QUOTE="frostybanana"]It wasn't meant to be racist in the first place.gaming25
Doesnt matter. The character was very stereotypical to begin with.

It does matter...they changed it on the grounds that it was racist. That was not the intent. And no...the character wasn't stereotypical at all. Any connections to racism are purely based on the way he looks. Much like how the pokemon Jynx was called stereotypical because apparently it looks like a black person :roll:
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#23 weezyfb
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pics of new popo?
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#26 MediumBread
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pics of new popo?weezyfb

It's just not the same. :(

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#27 gaming25
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[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

[QUOTE="TheHighWind"]

I don't get why they change it to blue what's wrong with him being black?

Read the OP. Black people arent the complete color black.

▲ And white people aren't white, but it's okay to call them that? ▲

This is about the character's appearance, not the name of the race.
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#28 Necrifer
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[QUOTE="gaming25"]

[QUOTE="TheHighWind"]

I don't get why they change it to blue what's wrong with him being black?

Loco_Live

Read the OP. Black people arent the complete color black.

▲ And white people aren't white, but it's okay to call them that? ▲

Everybody knows that Popo was a really dark brown!

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#29 gaming25
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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="frostybanana"]It wasn't meant to be racist in the first place.frostybanana
Doesnt matter. The character was very stereotypical to begin with.

It does matter...they changed it on the grounds that it was racist. That was not the intent. And no...the character wasn't stereotypical at all. Any connections to racism are purely based on the way he looks. Much like how the pokemon Jynx was called stereotypical because apparently it looks like a black person :roll:

You cant say what was their "intent" since you arent the people who made the cartoon. And in my OP I state that his servant duties is stereotypical as well.
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[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ Typical american views on race. "Durp we have to be sensitive towards everything that we can relate to race". This is a rediculous thread. And why are you looking so much into an anime from the 80's. It's people like you that are the reason why there are all these racists around, because you make everything about race! Popo isin't even human, how can he be black? This is such a bad thread damn. If there are any good mods here, please fore the sake of all that is holy LOCK THIS THREAD. ▲

gaming25

What an ignorant post. The character is very stereotypical. And since we all have souls, being insensitive is wrong.

it's not ignorant, Loco_Live is right. mr popo is a genie that the just decided to make be the color black. why do you think they made piccolo green? because that's just what color he is. if they made every character white i'm sure you'd complain about that too.

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[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ Typical american views on race. "Durp we have to be sensitive towards everything that we can relate to race". This is a rediculous thread. And why are you looking so much into an anime from the 80's. It's people like you that are the reason why there are all these racists around, because you make everything about race! Popo isin't even human, how can he be black? This is such a bad thread damn. If there are any good mods here, please fore the sake of all that is holy LOCK THIS THREAD. ▲

So anime/cartoons can't be racist :?

▲ They can, but I think you missed the point of my post. ▲

What was your point? ...besides calling the thread ridiculous...saying TC was dumb for looking into something from the 80's (like things from that time can't be racist)...saying TC is the reason there are racists...and insulting the thread...I can find no 'point' to what you said other than to attack the TC
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#33 gaming25
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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ Typical american views on race. "Durp we have to be sensitive towards everything that we can relate to race". This is a rediculous thread. And why are you looking so much into an anime from the 80's. It's people like you that are the reason why there are all these racists around, because you make everything about race! Popo isin't even human, how can he be black? This is such a bad thread damn. If there are any good mods here, please fore the sake of all that is holy LOCK THIS THREAD. ▲

Loco_Live

What an ignorant post. The character is very stereotypical. And since we all have souls, being insensitive is wrong.

▲ What an ignorant post. Souls arent real. And since we all have opinons, cool story bro. ▲

My point was that people have feelings. And there is nothing wrong with having them.

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#34 Necrifer
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You cant say what was their "intent" since you arent the people who made the cartoon. And in my OP I state that his servant duties is stereotypical as well.

gaming25

About the servant duties. Wasn't he a genie?

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#37 MediumBread
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Did any black people actually complain about this?

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#38 needled24-7
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Did any black people actually complain about this?

MediumBread

i think gaming25 is the only one.

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#40 gaming25
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[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

You cant say what was their "intent" since you arent the people who made the cartoon. And in my OP I state that his servant duties is stereotypical as well.

About the servant duties. Wasn't he a genie?

Not that type of servant. I shouldve clarified lol. I meant being "the help".
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#41 Necrifer
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[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

You cant say what was their "intent" since you arent the people who made the cartoon. And in my OP I state that his servant duties is stereotypical as well.

gaming25

About the servant duties. Wasn't he a genie?

Not that type of servent. I shouldve clarified lol. I meant being "the help".

Yeah, "the help". Couldn't that also be because he's a genie?

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[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="gaming25"] Doesnt matter. The character was very stereotypical to begin with.gaming25
It does matter...they changed it on the grounds that it was racist. That was not the intent. And no...the character wasn't stereotypical at all. Any connections to racism are purely based on the way he looks. Much like how the pokemon Jynx was called stereotypical because apparently it looks like a black person :roll:

You cant say what was their "intent" since you arent the people who made the cartoon. And in my OP I state that his servant duties is stereotypical as well.

So? He's a servant not a slave. No kid is going to watch DBZ and think Mr. Popo is a stereotypical black person because he's not. It's like when everyone thought that Tinky Winky was gay because he carries around a purse. No kid is going to make a ridiculous connection like that. That is something that adults perceived. Adults with clearly too much time on their hands. Who's really stereotyping blacks? The person who draws a supposed "mystical" looking character for his cartoon. Or people who connect his dark black skin and big red lips to what blacks are supposed to look like? Those dots shouldn't be connected.
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[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ And white people aren't white, but it's okay to call them that? ▲

This is about the character's appearance, not the name of the race.

▲ So if Popo was the color white, and has a white mans features, would you still be so upset? ▲

Yes. It would still be wrong. I am talking about outside of mimes of course lol.
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▲ If there are any good mods here, please fore the sake of all that is holy LOCK THIS THREAD. ▲

Loco_Live

In exchange you have to promise never to use triangles in forum posts.:P:lol:

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#46 dunl12496
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No it wasn't. Real DBZ fans hate stuff like that. He is black so...

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#47 Necrifer
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▲ Well do you even know toriyamas intent? Also, since when was Dragonball a cartoon? Do you even know anything about the show you were watching? ▲

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Anime is a type of cartoon...still.

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[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ Typical american views on race. "Durp we have to be sensitive towards everything that we can relate to race". This is a rediculous thread. And why are you looking so much into an anime from the 80's. It's people like you that are the reason why there are all these racists around, because you make everything about race! Popo isin't even human, how can he be black? This is such a bad thread damn. If there are any good mods here, please fore the sake of all that is holy LOCK THIS THREAD. ▲

What an ignorant post. The character is very stereotypical. And since we all have souls, being insensitive is wrong.

it's not ignorant, Loco_Live is right. mr popo is a genie that the just decided to make be the color black. why do you think they made piccolo green? because that's just what color he is. if they made every character white i'm sure you'd complain about that too.

Look up "black face". And the super red lips make it even more obvious.
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[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ They can, but I think you missed the point of my post. ▲

What was your point? ...besides calling the thread ridiculous...saying TC was dumb for looking into something from the 80's (like things from that time can't be racist)...saying TC is the reason there are racists...and insulting the thread...I can find no 'point' to what you said other than to attack the TC

▲ I never called the TC dumb. Point of the post was to point out that he is looking for it to be racist, many people do this, hence the reason why there are so many "racists". ▲

Like I said. It seems your whole point was to attack the TC. There are quite a few racist cartoons. Something being from the 80's has nothing to do with it (actually makes it more likely than something released today). It is still relevant b/c of how popular the show still is. So your dismissive attitude seems misplaced. I am not saying it is racist, but it is, at the very least, worthy of discussion
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#50 gaming25
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[QUOTE="gaming25"]

[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

About the servant duties. Wasn't he a genie?

Necrifer

Not that type of servent. I shouldve clarified lol. I meant being "the help".

Yeah, "the help". Couldn't that also be because he's a genie?

Genies usually do magical things, he did have a carpet though lol.