Athiests: Do you hope for a world with no religion?

I sure do. I dont like the idea of thinking the universe is some way or created by someone based upon faith. science may not have all the answers yet, but thats what makes science fun.

i also dont advocate government force on this, i would like to see everyone generally give up on gods, demons, devils, angels etc

I think that would be really greedy.

I'm religous and I think atheists are free to believe or not, I think it should be the same way around as well.

I hope for a world where religious people stop trying to force their views down everyone's throats. Frattracide

I think such an idea is silly beyond measure. Even if religion is naturalistic, our minds are hardwired to believe in God and societies have been "thinking up" religions for all of humanity's existence. It won't stop just because a bunch of atheists don't like it.

If all religion is forcibly destroyed, then science will become the main religion (scientism) and nobody will even notice.

in the words of Napoleon:

How can you have order in a state without religion? For, when one man is dying of hunger near another who is ill of surfeit, he cannot resign himself to this difference unless there is an authority which declares, 'God wills it thus.' Religion is excellent stuff for keeping people quiet.

Then again, he also said:

I know men and I tell you that Jesus Christ is no mere man. Between Him and every other person in the world there is no possible term of comparison. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creation of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded His empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him.

Of course. Religions are something that definitely need to be erased, imo. That makes me an atheist as well as an antithiest.dracula_16

I hope that we live in a world where science is the undisputed factor of which all decisions are made, where logic, reason, and factual knowledge would rein supreme over all aspects of government, education, healthcare, agriculture, etc. I want a world where people put more faith in their own skills, abilities and intelligence rather than in the faith usually associated with religion. I want a world where people study the environments around us and use all the information collected to further benefit mankind and help advance civilization in each and every way.

Do I want religion to be gone forever? Absolutely not. My only concern is to keep it out of scientific education, government, social norms, etc.

Nothingness is absolute, perfect, without space, color, time, etc. I have no idea how a tiny particle would form and then explode to create a universe from nonexistence, especially when there's no space for it to appear or "explode" in (Big Bang theory) without the help of some extraordinary being.Saturos3091

I hope for a world where religious people stop trying to force their views down everyone's throats. Frattracide

This. People can believe what they like but don't force other people to believe what you do.

EDIT: Why do people make these threads about religions? It gets like 300 posts of people arguing about whats right and wrong.

Only people with a gnostic point of view would ever hope for such a thing. Religion, if anything, is great for stories and mythology. Without being able to think outside the box we wouldn't have as varied or deep artistic history.foxhound_fox

our minds are hardwired to believe in GodTheokhoth

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]Of course. Religions are something that definitely need to be erased, imo. That makes me an atheist as well as an antithiest.Vandalvideo

Way too many reasons to list...so I'll just go with what pops into my head first. Just the way they try and control people, and try to pollute our children's minds.

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Nothingness is absolute, perfect, without space, color, time, etc. I have no idea how a tiny particle would form and then explode to create a universe from nonexistence, especially when there's no space for it to appear or "explode" in (Big Bang theory) without the help of some extraordinary being.Vandalvideo

If all religion is forcibly destroyed, then science will become the main religion (scientism) and nobody will even notice.

Theokhoth

How is science anything like a religion? And how would it become one? I don't see the correlation.

[I know, but what other way can we explain it until we learn more? And even then, after we explain it's "happening," what caused it, and so forth. It's a never-ending chain. I'm not saying my deistic "God" is sentient by any means, it's just a term for the archetype for all that has happened thus far.Saturos3091

Religion is so great for that. First, they think outside of the box. Then they build a wall around that, and then subjugate anyone who tries to think outside those walls.Vandalvideo

I think such an idea is silly beyond measure. Even if religion is naturalistic, our minds are hardwired to believe in God and societies have been "thinking up" religions for all of humanity's existence. It won't stop just because a bunch of atheists don't like it.

If all religion is forcibly destroyed, then science will become the main religion (scientism) and nobody will even notice.

Theokhoth

I agree with the first paragraph but man what is up with you and this 'scientism' stuff?

I put "I'm religious - yes" because of the cliche saying "It's not religion, it's a relationship."

The only people Jesus ever condemned were the hyper-religious people who thought themselves righteous.

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][I know, but what other way can we explain it until we learn more? And even then, after we explain it's "happening," what caused it, and so forth. It's a never-ending chain. I'm not saying my deistic "God" is sentient by any means, it's just a term for the archetype for all that has happened thus far.Vandalvideo

No, it's because of knowledge. That knowledge as to where everything has come from can lead to some future benefits for us in some unforeseen way, I would think. If you could replicate such an event, on a smaller scale of course, it'd be quite easy to see the benefits of it. Perhaps there is some sentient higher power, but you seem to dismiss that, although it is entirely possible.Plus, it allows man to express his creativity in a different way, and in an egotist sense can lead to a sort of power over followers and fellow believers in your ideas, which is why I think it should be kept personal.Saturos3091

I put "I'm religious - yes" because of the cliche saying "It's not religion, it's a relationship."

The only people Jesus ever condemned were the hyper-religious people who thought themselves righteous.

mindstorm

You know what's sad is that so many fundamentalists use the Bible as their basis to hate others. I've called some of them up on it and they think they're somehow exempt from 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.

Really? ExplainMegadeth425

Read Why Would Anyone Believe in God by Justin Barrett, a European psychologist.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

I think such an idea is silly beyond measure. Even if religion is naturalistic, our minds are hardwired to believe in God and societies have been "thinking up" religions for all of humanity's existence. It won't stop just because a bunch of atheists don't like it.

If all religion is forcibly destroyed, then science will become the main religion (scientism) and nobody will even notice.

domatron23

I agree with the first paragraph but man what is up with you and this 'scientism' stuff?

Because a lot of people put their faith in scientism and yet don't even realise it. Even in this very topic people elevate science to be the authority of all, and then go "but religion can never be apart of it," without realising that they have made science their religion, the antithesis of their goal in the first place.

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]No, it's because of knowledge. That knowledge as to where everything has come from can lead to some future benefits for us in some unforeseen way, I would think. If you could replicate such an event, on a smaller scale of course, it'd be quite easy to see the benefits of it. Perhaps there is some sentient higher power, but you seem to dismiss that, although it is entirely possible.Plus, it allows man to express his creativity in a different way, and in an egotist sense can lead to a sort of power over followers and fellow believers in your ideas, which is why I think it should be kept personal.Vandalvideo

I'm just arguing that dismissing such a thing as "false" is as close-minded as believing that it must be and is.I was arguing that repercussions of the knowledge relating the events behind what created the universe, and just our universe, could be useful to our society in foreseeable ways. If we knew how to use the expansion of the particle (again relating to Big Bang) to create, we could perhaps create our own planets/satellites to mine for resources, etc. It's a big gamble that the knowledge will be useful, but so are a ton of scientific developments in today's fields.Saturos3091

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]No, it's because of knowledge. That knowledge as to where everything has come from can lead to some future benefits for us in some unforeseen way, I would think. If you could replicate such an event, on a smaller scale of course, it'd be quite easy to see the benefits of it. Perhaps there is some sentient higher power, but you seem to dismiss that, although it is entirely possible.Plus, it allows man to express his creativity in a different way, and in an egotist sense can lead to a sort of power over followers and fellow believers in your ideas, which is why I think it should be kept personal.Vandalvideo

If someone believes in a being that created us all, then odds are he doesn't believe that being to be imaginary.

If someone believes in a being that created us all, then odds are he doesn't believe that being to be imaginary.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Megadeth425"]Really? ExplainTheokhoth

Read Why Would Anyone Believe in God by Justin Barrett, a European psychologist.

[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

I think such an idea is silly beyond measure. Even if religion is naturalistic, our minds are hardwired to believe in God and societies have been "thinking up" religions for all of humanity's existence. It won't stop just because a bunch of atheists don't like it.

If all religion is forcibly destroyed, then science will become the main religion (scientism) and nobody will even notice.

Theokhoth

I agree with the first paragraph but man what is up with you and this 'scientism' stuff?

Because a lot of people put their faith in scientism and yet don't even realise it. Even in this very topic people elevate science to be the authority of all, and then go "but religion can never be apart of it."

I don't think I've ever read science as an 'ism' or something that requires faith to associate with. What more authority can their be besides the physical world in which we inhabit?

What more authority can their be besides the physical world in which we inhabit?Red-XIII

[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

I think such an idea is silly beyond measure. Even if religion is naturalistic, our minds are hardwired to believe in God and societies have been "thinking up" religions for all of humanity's existence. It won't stop just because a bunch of atheists don't like it.

If all religion is forcibly destroyed, then science will become the main religion (scientism) and nobody will even notice.

Theokhoth

I agree with the first paragraph but man what is up with you and this 'scientism' stuff?

Because a lot of people put their faith in scientism and yet don't even realise it. Even in this very topic people elevate science to be the authority of all, and then go "but religion can never be apart of it," without realising that they have made science their religion, the antithesis of their goal in the first place.

How does science require faith? Oh and could you define exactly what you mean by scientism.

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"] I'm just arguing that dismissing such a thing as "false" is as close-minded as believing that it must be and is.I was arguing that repercussions of the knowledge relating the events behind what created the universe, and just our universe, could be useful to our society in foreseeable ways. If we knew how to use the expansion of the particle (again relating to Big Bang) to create, we could perhaps create our own planets/satellites to mine for resources, etc. It's a big gamble that the knowledge will be useful, but so are a ton of scientific developments in today's fields.Vandalvideo

I don't see why we shouldn't pursue such understanding of the eventSaturos3091