Atheists, do you really believe there is no god?

I still wouldn't say our universe is very balanced and harmonious. I don't have another universe to compare it to, but linked to our own situation it comes across as pretty violent and overall not very welcoming to life in any form. It's full of colliding galaxies, unstable stars, solar storms, scorching heats, freezing colds and lots randomness.... A big pool of elements whirled together. We are very lucky that the spec of dust we live on is situated in a pretty calm spot in our galaxy in a thinly clustered location in the universe. But this all could change, we're so fragile, it could all be wiped out in the blink of an eye. Maybe it's doing a great job as a universe, but for living creatures it's quite a nightmare haha.

I never said anything about the world being specially designed for humans to live in, don't put words in my mouth.

We can agree to disagree. I can't see how one can look at the most basic laws governing the universe and say there is no order. But to each his own.

@GazaAli: PWND

You made a new account just to say that rofl

Your failure to differentiate between two mutually exclusive states, precludes me even bothering to engage in debate with you. :|

Sounds like you are 'Agnostic"

Bullshit. That would be a hypocritical stance.

As an agnostic, one keeps one's mind open to all possibilities... predetermination without proof is the antithesis of agnosticism.

Well in my experiences most of the time people bring up 'order', 'balance', or 'finely tuned' when arguing for a creator of the universe it devolves into the anthropic principle.

Do I see some order in the universe? Sure. But I also see chaos and disarray. We really don't have any other specimen to compare it too. Using this subjective measure of order is hardly evidence as to a creator.

Order and harmony?

Tell that to the satellite galaxy that our Milky Way is currently devouring.

Oh good... a Wikipaedia cut-and-paster. :|

Don't bother replying

Colliding galaxies, exploding stars, freezing temperatures are all conceptually relative to your own human body. A freezing temperature contrasted with an extremely hot temperature is only defined as such relative to your being able to experience them as hot or cold. Objectively they go together, as do exploding stars and collisions between galaxies. Without these supposed 'violent' events your or I wouldn't be where we are right now.

The fruit flies in your kitchen are just as much a part of the universe as the colliding galaxies are.

Well, ordinarily I wouldn't dare weigh in, but this thing is plastered all over myfeed.

So, if "theism" boils down to whether or not God (or whatever deity) exists and "Gnosticism" is all about seeking knowledge as to whether God (or whatever deity) exists, what is it called when you believe God (or whatever deity) exists, but you just don't know if They give a sh*t or not? Or to what degree a sh*t is given, if any.

Is there a name for that?

Thanks in advance.

Its the doctrine of shitcism

Or the ones that it's devoured before. Not to mention that our galaxy and M31 are most likely looking at a head-on collision in a few billion years.

Agnosticism isn't a belief, it's a state of knowledge regarding a belief. Agnosticism is the admittance to not knowing "why" you believe what you do. You are either an agnostic atheist, or an agnostic theist. You believe one way, but ultimately do not know why you do. Saying "I don't know" isn't a belief. You either accept the existence of a deity, force or whatever, or you don't, and are either actively seeking the answer, or do not care.

You cannot exist in a state of belief limbo, between the two.

Argument from ignorance fallacy: Because I don't know, magic solves it all.

Everything we know about the universe functions on it's own naturally. We are the current state of atoms in this universe. You have only one universe and no others to compare it to and are contributing human concepts to nonliving matter.

I'll cut my dick and feed it to the dogs if I ever participated again in a religious topic.

Why should atheists be on the defensive of explaining themselves? It's religious people saying that something exists when there's no proof.

No, not saying it's not possible though.

Might be a good time to reflect on why it makes you and others feel very uncomfortable when trying to defend an unreasonable position

No shit wis3boy, you're trying to convert me? Awwww :3

atheist are like EMO .... they hate everything

I believe there is a God, or something a long the lines of it. However, what I don't believe is a lot of what is in the Bible or what is taught in most Church's.

I cannot convert anybody, nor is it my job. I can open the door, they must walk through. Point being, the reason so many people get aggravated when trying to defend a deity, is because they get to a point where they realize they cannot do it at all. If they had a great reason to believe, and it was actual evidence (that can be shared to others and isn't appeals to emotion of lack of knowledge) then we'd all believe. What's not the real issue is what someone believes, it's the why. And I can never get an answer that stands on solid ground

People aren't attacking you in any hurtful way here. Is it so bad to simply engage in a discussion that may actually make you examine certain held positions critically? Does that really make you THAT uncomfortable?

If I were an atheist, I would still wonder what caused the laws of the universe to be and what propagates their continued effects in a holistic sense.

Just because we don't have all of the answers doesn't mean that a higher being is the answer. In fact, a higher being brings a lot more questions to the table than we already have (That is, it answers nothing). It's just completely unnecessary when there's not even the smallest reason to believe there is actually a higher power.

Well said, but the odds we are the highest power in the universe isn't favored. Anything is possible right?

Yes, I believe there is no God and it's all a load of shit.

Erm, well that's kind of the point of Atheism.

Since when does anything have a point #XXxxnihlismftwblazeitanarchy420xxXX

This sums it up accurately.

That is the point, the issue itself doesn't make me uncomfortable or anything I never said so. Its the feeling that you're bashing your head to a wall. Not because you're not agreeing with me, but because I feel that I'm failing to make my ideas go through as I intend them to. For example here you're suggesting that I'm uncomfortable about the thing while in fact I'm not. The feeling that I'm being perceived in a incorrect way pisses me off. People have such strong perceptions and convictions about the topic of religion that it makes it nearly impossible to have an unbiased, rational and meaningful debate about the topic. Most of the replies are stupid oneliners or are intended to discredit you at all cost, even at the cost of rationality and consistency.

Also maybe I'm coming off in an unintended distorted way which is why I get this kind of reactions. In one topic we were discussing homosexuality being a choice or not. I firmly believe it is in the sense that you choose whether to act on the urges or not. Everyone in that topic blasted and barraged me and I couldn't make sense of it until one user stepped up and told me that people are wary about the argument that homosexuality is a choice because its used by Christians in the west to "criminalize" homosexuals as sinners, while in fact I didn't have this in mind whatsoever. I was coming from a completely secular point of view.
I come from a completely different background while most of you share the same one, give or take. It can be challenging to successfully get an idea or a point of view through or receive one for that matter. Specially that I come from a place which is completely cut out from the rest of the world.

Gods may exist, but as there is currently no evidence to suggest that any god has ever existed or does currently exist it isn't very logical to believe in them.

@theone86: Thanks. That's kind of the response I was looking for. I just cant quite grasp what things were like before time came into existence. Before the laws of the universe were the laws of the universe.

Don't take everything so serious.

settle down folks... Ron's got it figured out already.

No

I would be terrified to find out there was a god. Just on the basis of the terrifying state that this world is in.

Well I was hoping to put my view forward here but when the first response gets it so right (for me) then I am left with 'what he said.'

Nope. At least not in a sentient being. Randomness made what is known today. Its not a couple of dozen years process but millions and millions of years process so off course sometime it would result in some kind of "order" and what we call "life"

sorry for the bad english