Am I evil for thinking that Domestic/Casual Abortion is wrong?

Honestly, im not against Abortion as a whole, I mean, if your child is going to be born disabled then yes, im for abortion, I also believe euthinasia is a good thing, but I also think that if a Women sleeps with any guy and gets pregnant and then goes for an Abortion solely on that then that Woman is the scum of the earth.

Seriously, you shouldn't have sex with someone unless your willing to have a baby..

If people can keep killing their unborn babies then we should also be allowed to kill dis-obedient wives, idiots and other groups of people, for crying out loud its no different.

Im sick of being labeled a monster because I hate baby killers.. does anyone here share my opinion on Abortion?

If that woman keeps getting abortion, she's only helping the abortion industry.CRS98

[QUOTE="CRS98"]If that woman keeps getting abortion, she's only helping the abortion industry.Senor-Dweedle

Thats wrong, its like saying Drug Addicts are good because they keep the Drug Industry going.Senor-Dweedle

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I've learned that its best not to offer an opinion, because unless you are directly involved (i.e. the mother or father) then it isn't any of your business. Abortion isn't a cut-and-dry issue, and I hate that people try to make it one.Senor-Dweedle

Jurors are there to judge the guilt or innocence of one charged with breaking the law. It becomes their business by virtue of the fact that the law has been broken and they have been selected to ascertain the guilt or lack thereof of the person charged. Now, you may use the juror comparison once abortion is illegal.

[QUOTE="Senor-Dweedle"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I've learned that its best not to offer an opinion, because unless you are directly involved (i.e. the mother or father) then it isn't any of your business. Abortion isn't a cut-and-dry issue, and I hate that people try to make it one.worlock77

Jurors are there to judge the guilt or innocence of one charged with breaking the law. It becomes their business by virtue of the fact that the law has been broken and they have been selected to ascertain the guilt or lack thereof of the person charged. Now, you may use the juror comparison once abortion is illegal.

Then don't have one. Let others do what they will with their bodiesweezyfb

Then don't have one. Let others do what they will with their bodiesweezyfb

Well said.

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[QUOTE="Senor-Dweedle"] Jurors can Judge a Man or Woman Innocent or Guilty, even if it is not any of their personal business. Abortion is wrong unless it is merciful (in case of unhealthy fetus).Senor-Dweedle

Jurors are there to judge the guilt or innocence of one charged with breaking the law. It becomes their business by virtue of the fact that the law has been broken and they have been selected to ascertain the guilt or lack thereof of the person charged. Now, you may use the juror comparison once abortion is illegal.

Actually it isn't murder. Murder is unlawful killing. Abortion isn't unlawful.

By the way, TC, why is abortion wrong unless it's an unhealthy fetus? Why does that baby have less of a right to live than another one?

If the baby is unborn, then you're not killing it. If your disobedient wife, idiot or other group of persons is unborn, then it's no different. I'm not trying to come off as an arse, but it's fact.

You also didn't raise the right for a woman to abort her pregnancy if it came about from her being raped.

By the way, TC, why is abortion wrong unless it's an unhealthy fetus? Why does that baby have less of a right to live than another one?

worlock77

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

By the way, TC, why is abortion wrong unless it's an unhealthy fetus? Why does that baby have less of a right to live than another one?

xaos

Lebensunwertes Leben.

(Just to go ahead and get Godwin's Law out of the way.)

I don't trust you.

If you have voluntary sex you should go through with the pregnancy. There is one purpose for sex and that is reproduction. You don't have the parts you have so you can love someone or so you can feel good, you have them to reproduce. You can use them for different reasons, but that doesn't eliminate their natural purpose which is reproduction. It isn't wrong to have sex for other reasons if you acknowledge the real purpose and are willing to accept and go along with what could happen. I don't think it is wrong for a husband and wife to have sex for reasons other than reproduction as long as they are open to having another child. It just really annoys me when some people have sex as if it is just some activity like playing video games or watching a movie. The consequences are so great (human life!) that i personally don't think it is worth the risk right now (in college). People just don't take it as seriously as it should be taken. Maybe we should respect the giving of life as much as we do the taking of it.

However, I'm not going to force anyone to do anything. I'm not going to stop a woman from having an abortion. Just like i wouldn't give food to a starving person on the side of the road. It isn't my problem.

There is one purpose for sex and that is reproduction. hoola

I don't like the idea of a woman using abortion as a form of birth control. What I mean by that is her being a slut and sleeping with as many guys as she wants without protection and immediately getting an abortion each time she becomes pregnant especially if she doesn't even tell the father so he can give some input. It's kind of ironic that in that case the woman has all the rights on whether or not to have the abortion, if she wants it the father can't stop her but if she chooses to go through the pregnancy she can get 18 years of child support from it and the father still can't stop her.

In other cases, like it's a true accident, I could care less. I'm not a big fan of abortion but I'm against the idea of outlawing it. The main reason I'm against outlawing it because abortions can be compared to drugs. If it's legal you can get it safely. If it's illegal and you still want it you're going to go to some street corner to find a way to handle it. If it's regulated it's safer since it's in a controlled environment but if it's illegal and the girl wants it anyway she may start doing unhealthy things to herself to end it, or will find some back-alley doctor to do it.

When a drug addict ODs on heroin or some other illegal drug the people around them may be too scared to take them to the hospital because of law enforcement and the person may die. On the other hand, if the addict ODs on sleeping pills or some other legal drug they may not hesitate to call 911, saving their life. If abortion is illegal and a botched abortion attempt causes somebody to need medical attention they may hesitate, which could result in permanent damage or death. With it legal, if the abortion doctor screws up they'll call an ambulance.

Then why does the human body experience orgasm? And emotional pleasure from the intimacy? If it was just meant for reproduction, then it wouldn't be pleasurable.foxhound_fox

To be fair, if sex didn't cause any pleasure way fewer people would do it and we would probably have a much smaller population. Or we would have went extinct altogether if early humans didn't put two and two together and figure out sex was needed for procreation.

Not trying to debate with your points for or against abortion, just throwing that out there why sex probably causes pleasure.

To be fair, if sex didn't cause any pleasure way fewer people would do it and we would probably have a much smaller population. Or we would have went extinct altogether if early humans didn't put two and two together and figure out sex was needed for procreation. Not trying to debate with your points for or against abortion, just throwing that out there why sex probably causes pleasure.ad1x2

Abortion is wrong. The death penalty is right. Or reversed. How about they both are right or both are wrong?

In an American context, the alternative to legal abortion is to criminalize it and thus put a heavier load on an adoption system that is already far from able to meet existing needs, take thousands of working women out of the economy, subject them to heavy emotional and physical stress for nine months despite having not prepared for it and kill or maim thousands more who attempt to try the same thing using illegal and unregulated sources. Expecting any pro-life policy to yield good results for your society is a ******* pipe dream, and it's a good indicator that one hasn't thought the matter through.

Whoa this is way too controversial. I'm not touching this topic with a 10 foot coat hanger.

I am thankful I live in the EU, where our highest court has recently declared human life starts from the moment of conception. To quote a news report "The court recognized that any human ovum, as soon as it is fertilized (the moment of conception), is an organism "capable of commencing the process of development of a human being." This excludes the patentability of research using human embryos for "industrial or commercial purposes" or "for purposes of scientific research.""

While this judgement only outlawed patents based on embryo stem cells, I hope the activity itself becomes illegal in the near future. This, of course, has wide implications on abortion, the outcome of which we have yet to see. While it is an incredibly touchy subject, I am of the opinion every form of abortion should be outlawed. The only reasonable exception is when the fetus is causing harm or otherwise endangering the mother - and cannot be in itself saved.

I am thankful I live in the EU, where our highest court has recently declared human life starts from the moment of conception. To quote a news report "The court recognized that any human ovum, as soon as it is fertilized (the moment of conception), is an organism "capable of commencing the process of development of a human being." This excludes the patentability of research using human embryos for "industrial or commercial purposes" or "for purposes of scientific research.""

While this judgement only outlawed patents based on embryo stem cells, I hope the activity itself becomes illegal in the near future. This, of course, has wide implications on abortion, the outcome of which we have yet to see. While it is an incredibly touchy subject, I am of the opinion every form of abortion should be outlawed. The only reasonable exception is when the fetus is causing harm or otherwise endangering the mother - and cannot be in itself saved.

fooZar777

I don't know why people need to go on a crusade in banning abortion. Also, it seems to me that pro-lifers in the US are fighting a lost war. Aboriton laws will not change (or will only marginally) here. The right for an abortion has been legal too long for it to be overturned. Consider this: Former Chief Justice William Rhenquest, who despised Miranda Rights, voted not to overturn them in 2000 because its been in our society for too long. Same deal with abortion.

Also, even the voters of super conservative Mississippi voted against declaring a fertilized egg as a person (which would of by default banned abortion)

[QUOTE="fooZar777"]

I am thankful I live in the EU, where our highest court has recently declared human life starts from the moment of conception. To quote a news report "The court recognized that any human ovum, as soon as it is fertilized (the moment of conception), is an organism "capable of commencing the process of development of a human being." This excludes the patentability of research using human embryos for "industrial or commercial purposes" or "for purposes of scientific research.""

While this judgement only outlawed patents based on embryo stem cells, I hope the activity itself becomes illegal in the near future. This, of course, has wide implications on abortion, the outcome of which we have yet to see. While it is an incredibly touchy subject, I am of the opinion every form of abortion should be outlawed. The only reasonable exception is when the fetus is causing harm or otherwise endangering the mother - and cannot be in itself saved.

BrianB0422

This makes no sense, as it's clearly stated this legal "protection" extends to the moment of conception and all the further explanations need to be viewed in light of said claim. I do not wish to take away any choices from people and neither do the institutions of the EU. My viewing of the courts' decision is merely extended onto a similar subject using my own morality.

If you think that people should stop having sex to avoid getting pregnant then you might as well say that people should stop driving cars to avoid car crashes.

this may come as a shocker, but sometimes people have sex without wanting a baby. Hence they use protection (condems and the pill) and it still fails so they turn to abortion.

Also I find it interesting that you specify just any man. Would already being in a relationship really be any different to you?

Yes you are.

Seriously, you shouldn't have sex with someone unless your willing to have a baby..

Senor-Dweedle

Im sick of being labeled a monster because I hate baby killers.. does anyone here share my opinion on Abortion?

Senor-Dweedle

Do you approve of the man who gunned down a late term abortion doctor?

[QUOTE="Senor-Dweedle"]

Im sick of being labeled a monster because I hate baby killers.. does anyone here share my opinion on Abortion?

DroidPhysX

Do you approve of the man who gunned down a late term abortion doctor?

[QUOTE="fooZar777"]

I am thankful I live in the EU, where our highest court has recently declared human life starts from the moment of conception. To quote a news report "The court recognized that any human ovum, as soon as it is fertilized (the moment of conception), is an organism "capable of commencing the process of development of a human being." This excludes the patentability of research using human embryos for "industrial or commercial purposes" or "for purposes of scientific research.""

While this judgement only outlawed patents based on embryo stem cells, I hope the activity itself becomes illegal in the near future. This, of course, has wide implications on abortion, the outcome of which we have yet to see. While it is an incredibly touchy subject, I am of the opinion every form of abortion should be outlawed. The only reasonable exception is when the fetus is causing harm or otherwise endangering the mother - and cannot be in itself saved.

BrianB0422