Alabama Passes "Fetal Pain" Abortion Bill

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#1 Theokhoth
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http://www.truth-out.org/alabama-passes-fetal-pain-anti-abortion-bill-rejects-exceptions-rape-and-incest/1307798482

The Alabama GOP marked a successful week in regressive legislation. Gov. Robert Bentley (R) signed the nation's toughest immigration bill into law yesterday, requiring local police to detain suspected undocumented immigrants and Alabama schools to collect student citizenship information. The GOP-led state Senate then rounded out the day by passing a radical anti-abortion bill that bans anyone from performing abortion after 20 weeks — an act that would punish the doctor with "one to 10 years in prison."

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By 20 weeks the individual should have decided whether or not to continue the pregnancy. I see no reason for abortion getting that far into pregnancy.
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#3 SpartanMSU
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Yeah man, like totally. There's no way 5 months is a enough time to decide whether you want to keep it or not...:roll:

Do you ever get your news from an unbiased source?

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Yeah man, like totally. There's no way 5 months is a enough time to decide whether you want to keep it or not...:roll:

Do you ever get your news from an unbiased source?

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By your standards, everything but Fox News would be biased. :lol:
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One to 10 years in prison? That's pretty soft. I think the pain issue is a false premise. If it was possible to kill someone without inflicting pain upon them, it wouldn't make it acceptable. So, I don't really care if a fetus can or cannot feel pain, because killing him would be wrong either way. By the way Theokhoth, I thought you were pro-life. Is there any issue anymore where you're not a self-identified liberal?
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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Yeah man, like totally. There's no way 5 months is a enough time to decide whether you want to keep it or not...:roll:

Do you ever get your news from an unbiased source?

Theokhoth

By your standards, everything but Fox News would be biased. :lol:

By my standards? I wasn't aware I ever posted any articles, let alone one from Fox News...:lol:

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#7 Xeogua
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No matter where you get your news, it will be biased. It's human nature to pick sides, even if they don't mean to.

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#8 SpartanMSU
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Technically, no matter where you get your news, it will be biased. It's human nature to pick sides, even if they don't mean to.

Xeogua

Yeah, but this article is clearly an opinion piece.

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#9 Xeogua
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[QUOTE="Xeogua"]

Technically, no matter where you get your news, it will be biased. It's human nature to pick sides, even if they don't mean to.

SpartanMSU

Yeah, but this article is clearly an opinion piece.

They're entitled to an opinion, and he can use an article that shares his.

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#10 SpartanMSU
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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="Xeogua"]

Technically, no matter where you get your news, it will be biased. It's human nature to pick sides, even if they don't mean to.

Xeogua

Yeah, but this article is clearly an opinion piece.

They're entitled to an opinion, and he can use an article that shares his.

Thanks Captain Obvious.

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this is outrageous and should be overturned
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I was going to post the majority opinion of Roe v. Wade but I think it would be pointing out the obvious. So unconstitutional it's not even funny.
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I think that's fine.

Probably the best way to satisfy pro-lifers and pro-choicers.

EDIT: I just skimmed the article, but then I actually read it and saw the article dripping with bias. :lol:

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If you want an abortion, have an abortion. If you want to keep the baby, don't have an abortion. I don't understand why abortion is such a big issue, nobody is forcing you to kill the fetus

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I was going to post the majority opinion of Roe v. Wade but I think it would be pointing out the obvious. So unconstitutional it's not even funny.DroidPhysX
Roe vs Wade isn't as all encompassing though.... Section X explained that the trimester of pregnancy is highly relevant to the weight of the factors in this balancing test. Thus, during the first trimester, the state cannot restrict a woman's right to an abortion in any way; during the second trimester, the state may only regulate the abortion procedure "in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health"; during the third trimester, the state can choose to restrict or proscribe abortion as it sees fit when the fetus is viable ("except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother").

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#16 Xeogua
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[QUOTE="Xeogua"]

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Yeah, but this article is clearly an opinion piece.

SpartanMSU

They're entitled to an opinion, and he can use an article that shares his.

Thanks Captain Obvious.

No problem.

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What a Ridiculously biased article!!! Ya, why not make it super obvious what side your on eh? Aparently they son't realize that that much bias just makes them look bad.. :lol:

1st, 20 weeks, thats five months...

2nd, it takes a LACK of compasion to pass this bill? Realy? So disalowing the killing of babies at that point shows A Lack of compasion... Really?

But then again, though I am a pro lifer, I am also all for individual freedoms... I think restricting it to 20 weeks is ok... Alow the option to stay open I guess, but give a cut off date.

What we should do is instead of putting the spotlight on abortion, raise awarness about the other options... Try to push adoption or fostering as a better alternative... because it is...

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Maybe this will make hillybillys shut up.
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#19 JML897
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Aparently they son't realize that that much bias just makes them look bad.. :lol:

Fundai

When did the website in question ever claim to be unbiased?

On the internet there are very very few websites that don't share their opinion on something.

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[QUOTE="Fundai"]

Aparently they son't realize that that much bias just makes them look bad.. :lol:

JML897

When did the website in question ever claim to be unbiased?

On the internet there are very very few websites that don't share their opinion on something.

I realize everythings biased :|

I'm saying that showing That much makes them look bad, cuz there not showing normal levels of bias right there, thats kind of over the top.

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#21 kussese
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20 weeks? So they cut off a month. What's so radical about that?

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Is Alabama trying to travel backwards in time? Because they are frying quite successful with all these new laws.
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Is Alabama trying to travel backwards in time? Because they are frying quite successful with all these new laws.foxhound_fox

What's wrong with that immigration bill?

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I'm not sure that I like the immigration bit, but the abortion law is good. I actually don't think that it's quite tough enough. Still a step in the right direction.

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#25 DroidPhysX
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I'm not sure that I like the immigration bit, but the abortion law is good. I actually don't think that it's quite tough enough. Still a step in the right direction.

hartsickdiscipl
Should we ban abortion completely?
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#26 ItalStallion777
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don't really see a problem... maybe i am just a compassionless person as the article suggests.

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#27 austi722
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I'm not sure that I like the immigration bit, but the abortion law is good. I actually don't think that it's quite tough enough. Still a step in the right direction.

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Should we ban abortion completely?

That takes away freedom.From the women.They'll riot.And Usa would not be the land of freedom it supposedly is.It's inside her stomach it should be her choice to kill it or not.No one else's.
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The abortion law is good. I'm not a fan of the immigration one.

It's been said before, but this article is incredibly biased. Believe it or not, it is possible to write an unbiased article, so there's really no excuse.

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IMO, Abortion is just plain stupid.. At least have the baby and put it up for adoption. Secondly if you are going to have unsafe sex.. Use a condom.. Geez. Or a birth control.
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IMO, Abortion is just plain stupid.. At least have the baby and put it up for adoption. Secondly if you are going to have unsafe sex.. Use a condom.. Geez. Or a birth control.00-Riddick-00
9 months of pregnancy is a lot to go through just to put it up for adoption
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Ok, so go over state lines to get an abortion, solved.

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[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]IMO, Abortion is just plain stupid.. At least have the baby and put it up for adoption. Secondly if you are going to have unsafe sex.. Use a condom.. Geez. Or a birth control.toast_burner
9 months of pregnancy is a lot to go through just to put it up for adoption

You should at elast give the kid a chance.. It is your fault if you get pregnant. :|
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#33 DarthSatan
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I refuse to take a side on the aborion issue, I'm a man. I therefore have no right to tell any woman what she can or can't do with her body. Also I'm an atheist, so the "it's a sin" argument is a non-point to me.

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#34 DroidPhysX
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Ok, so go over state lines to get an abortion, solved.

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Surprised people didn't tell Roe this in '72. :roll:
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]IMO, Abortion is just plain stupid.. At least have the baby and put it up for adoption. Secondly if you are going to have unsafe sex.. Use a condom.. Geez. Or a birth control.00-Riddick-00
9 months of pregnancy is a lot to go through just to put it up for adoption

You should at elast give the kid a chance.. It is your fault if you get pregnant. :|

A fetus isn't a kid. its alive as much as the weeds in my garden are alive.

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By 20 weeks the individual should have decided whether or not to continue the pregnancy. I see no reason for abortion getting that far into pregnancy.LJS9502_basic
i agree with this. if someone can't make up their mind before 20 weeks is up, they should just get an abortion anyways because they probably aren't good enough to raise children.

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[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] 9 months of pregnancy is a lot to go through just to put it up for adoptiontoast_burner

You should at elast give the kid a chance.. It is your fault if you get pregnant. :|

A fetus isn't a kid. its alive as much as the weeds in my garden are alive.

I would bring the bible into this.. But then I would be called an idiot. :roll:
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uh what did that text have to do with abortion?
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[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] 9 months of pregnancy is a lot to go through just to put it up for adoptiontoast_burner

You should at elast give the kid a chance.. It is your fault if you get pregnant. :|

A fetus isn't a kid. its alive as much as the weeds in my garden are alive.

Weeds are plants which are alive. So fetuses are alive.

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[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] 9 months of pregnancy is a lot to go through just to put it up for adoptiontoast_burner

You should at elast give the kid a chance.. It is your fault if you get pregnant. :|

A fetus isn't a kid. its alive as much as the weeds in my garden are alive.

Weeds are living....as is a fetus.

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"] You should at elast give the kid a chance.. It is your fault if you get pregnant. :|00-Riddick-00

A fetus isn't a kid. its alive as much as the weeds in my garden are alive.

I would bring the bible into this.. But then I would be called an idiot. :roll:

that's because the bible contains no factual evidence of anything (i think)

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uh what did that text have to do with abortion?-DirtySanchez-

The very end does. It's just that Theohokoth the TC(spelling?) likes to bring up multiple arguments at once. Just in case we all agree on something.

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uh what did that text have to do with abortion?-DirtySanchez-
The article or the part I posted? The entire article is about abortion. The part I posted brings up abortion at the end. :|
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"] You should at elast give the kid a chance.. It is your fault if you get pregnant. :|ROFLCOPTER603

A fetus isn't a kid. its alive as much as the weeds in my garden are alive.

Weeds are plants which are alive. So fetuses are alive.

Exactly. Its ok to kill a weed so it should be ok to kill a fetus
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[QUOTE="-DirtySanchez-"]uh what did that text have to do with abortion?ROFLCOPTER603

The very end does. It's just that Theohokoth the TC(spelling?) likes to bring up multiple arguments at once. Just in case we all agree on something.

"Likes to bring up multiple arguments at once"? What does that even mean?
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] A fetus isn't a kid. its alive as much as the weeds in my garden are alive.

Weeds are plants which are alive. So fetuses are alive.

Exactly. Its ok to kill a weed so it should be ok to kill a fetus

"Fetus's" are not a pain, weeds are.
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[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] A fetus isn't a kid. its alive as much as the weeds in my garden are alive.

toast_burner

Weeds are plants which are alive. So fetuses are alive.

Exactly. Its ok to kill a weed so it should be ok to kill a fetus

Well by that logic it's okay to kill a weed so it's okay to kill a human.:|
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[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] A fetus isn't a kid. its alive as much as the weeds in my garden are alive.

needled24-7

I would bring the bible into this.. But then I would be called an idiot. :roll:

that's because the bible contains no factual evidence of anything (i think)

Actually the Bible does have some accepted historical date in it.
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

Weeds are plants which are alive. So fetuses are alive.

LJS9502_basic

Exactly. Its ok to kill a weed so it should be ok to kill a fetus

Well by that logic it's okay to kill a weed so it's okay to kill a human.:|

Humans can think and have their own personalities. Weeds do nothing but grow (like a fetus).

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#50 ROFLCOPTER603
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[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="-DirtySanchez-"]uh what did that text have to do with abortion?Theokhoth

The very end does. It's just that Theohokoth the TC(spelling?) likes to bring up multiple arguments at once. Just in case we all agree on something.

"Likes to bring up multiple arguments at once"? What does that even mean?

This topic was supposed to be about the abortion bill.. Yet the first information I see is about the immigration law, which I believe you already made a topic about? Just in case that wasn't enough, you choose a heavily biased source. There are three topics that we can fight each other over.

You also had that coinstar topic, and then just add in kindles and nooks so that there can be two arguments.