About life on other planets..

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#1 brandontwb
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One thing I notice as the common argument goes something like this:

"Of course there is, it would be stupid to think we are alone with trillions of trillions of different stars out there"

But I don't think it's a matter of whether life (as we know it) is suitable on other planets, in that case, there is likely to be other planets that are similar to Earth. I think the real question is "how does life start in the first place?"

We don't really know anything about how life begins.

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#2 gojays
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I wonder how long this takes to turn into a religious debate......
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My brain hurts, thanks alot. It's Sunday!

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I think there is life out there. It just depends on your definition of life. It could mean people and aliens for you but for me, life means microscopic organisms and such. Earth is called the Goldilock effect because it requires the right conditions for life to evolve. I'm pretty sure that there are other planets out there that fit the criteria of the Goldilock effect and have life of somesort.

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#5 brandontwb
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I think there is life out there. It just depends on your definition of life. It could mean people and aliens for you but for me, life means microscopic organisms and such. Earth is called the Goldilock effect because it requires the right conditions for life to evolve. I'm pretty sure that there are other planets out there that fit the criteria of the Goldilock effect and have life of somesort.

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Microscopic life anywhere is enough to almost prove that intelligent life is out there, because if we find life, that means an infinite amount of other planets could have it. I also think that it's really stupid to make the assumption that we are in the right conditions for life, when clearly it's only the right conditions for how life has already evolved as we know it.
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#6 S3XYT1M3
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maybe there is another species that dosnt need water and other humanly-earthly things we need

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#7 MasterBolt360
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There might be life on other planets. Honestly, we may never know, or, we could find out tomorrow.

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#8 KDIDDY78
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most likely even in our own solar system saturns moons have exciting possiblities!...i cant wait

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#9 Xbxg32000
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I'm not even going to answer this, considering the word "weather" was used in place of "whether".

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if there is or isnt there is no proof yet. so yes, right now, to our beliefs, we are alone
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#11 sense_b12
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wel... im just gonna say what you've all heard before, how can there NOT be life out the when the universe is infinite, there just HAS to be!

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#12 KDIDDY78
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wel... im just gonna say what you've all heard before, how can there NOT be life out the when the universe is infinite, there just HAS to be!

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actually the univers is not infinite...there is a edge to the universe:) ...its big but not infinite

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#13 sense_b12
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[QUOTE="KDIDDY78"]

[QUOTE="sense_b12"]

wel... im just gonna say what you've all heard before, how can there NOT be life out the when the universe is infinite, there just HAS to be!

actually the univers is not infinite...there is a edge to the universe:) ...its big but not infinite

ahhh yeah, the universe is actually expanding isnt it so they say... but if it is expanding, then what is it expanding into?!
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#14 KDIDDY78
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[QUOTE="KDIDDY78"]

[QUOTE="sense_b12"]

wel... im just gonna say what you've all heard before, how can there NOT be life out the when the universe is infinite, there just HAS to be!

sense_b12

actually the univers is not infinite...there is a edge to the universe:) ...its big but not infinite

ahhh yeah, the universe is actually expanding isnt it so they say... but if it is expanding, then what is it expanding into?!

dark energy:) and tends to pull the universe out

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[QUOTE="sense_b12"][QUOTE="KDIDDY78"]

[QUOTE="sense_b12"]

wel... im just gonna say what you've all heard before, how can there NOT be life out the when the universe is infinite, there just HAS to be!

actually the univers is not infinite...there is a edge to the universe:) ...its big but not infinite

ahhh yeah, the universe is actually expanding isnt it so they say... but if it is expanding, then what is it expanding into?!

Nothing. The concept of space only exists within the bounds of our universe. The universe is only "expanding" in the sense that everything is getting farther apart from one another.
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#16 KDIDDY78
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proudlarry is mistaken it is dark enerdy as i previously posted

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#17 ProudLarry
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proudlarry is mistaken it is dark enerdy as i previously posted

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You're mistaken, dark energy is what we're currently using to explain why the universe's expansion seems to be accelerating. Dark energy isn't something that can be "expanded into".
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I tend to think not, but then again we really don't. We don't know how common it is for life to develop. Plain and simple. And don't let Francis Drake tell you anything different.
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#19 BumFluff122
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Actually yes we do know some things about how life starts. The basic building blocks of everything can be made from non organic materials. I's just a matter of finding out how those basic building blocks fit together into a form resembling life and what sorts of environments would have to be present to make it.

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#20 deactivated-57af49c27f4e8
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people talk about other planets not being "suitable for life" which is bs, because what says something needs earth like conditions to live? if bacteria and stuff can live in the bottoms of geysers and at the bottom of the ocean, surely something can live on a planet somewhere.
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#21 Soapweed
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The edge of space is a giant mirror. Forever tricking us into believing the universe is infinite.

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[QUOTE="sense_b12"][QUOTE="KDIDDY78"]

[QUOTE="sense_b12"]

wel... im just gonna say what you've all heard before, how can there NOT be life out the when the universe is infinite, there just HAS to be!

actually the univers is not infinite...there is a edge to the universe:) ...its big but not infinite

ahhh yeah, the universe is actually expanding isnt it so they say... but if it is expanding, then what is it expanding into?!

isn't it just a figurative thing to say that it's expanding, as in, it doesn't matter if it is or not, it's that vast it doesn't matter?
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most likely even in our own solar system saturns moons have exciting possiblities!...i cant wait

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Mars is still a possibility. The water-ice on the planet is over 99% pure.

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Life came from space and it was formed out of no where.

Bunch ofparticles colliding together? Borrowing elements from space.

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[QUOTE="KDIDDY78"]

[QUOTE="sense_b12"]

wel... im just gonna say what you've all heard before, how can there NOT be life out the when the universe is infinite, there just HAS to be!

sense_b12

actually the univers is not infinite...there is a edge to the universe:) ...its big but not infinite

ahhh yeah, the universe is actually expanding isnt it so they say... but if it is expanding, then what is it expanding into?!

We don't know what it's expanding into. It could be expanding into another reality. It could be expanding into nothing. It could be cyclic meaning it is expanding into ourselves.

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#26 l0ve
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Well, according to evolution I believe life starts spontaneously. Look up spontaneous generation of life. Apparently living organisms just form out of non living materials, or something. We on earth have smart scientists and technology to produce "organic" compounds that are not alive and such that if we combine are "supposed" to make something living. Anyways even the most simple single celled organism has like DNA and all those cell organs, which for something so simple that could form all by itself we cannot recreate.
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#27 ProudLarry
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Well, according to evolution I believe life starts spontaneously. Look up spontaneous generation of life. Apparently living organisms just form out of non living materials, or something. We on earth have smart scientists and technology to produce "organic" compounds that are not alive and such that if we combine are "supposed" to make something living. Anyways even the most simple single celled organism has like DNA and all those cell organs, which for something so simple that could form all by itself we cannot recreate.l0ve
Good job on confusing Evolution and Abiogenesis.
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[QUOTE="l0ve"]Well, according to evolution I believe life starts spontaneously. Look up spontaneous generation of life. Apparently living organisms just form out of non living materials, or something. We on earth have smart scientists and technology to produce "organic" compounds that are not alive and such that if we combine are "supposed" to make something living. Anyways even the most simple single celled organism has like DNA and all those cell organs, which for something so simple that could form all by itself we cannot recreate.ProudLarry
Good job on confusing Evolution and Abiogenesis.

Umm, sorry. Will you please forgive me and explain what evolutionists believe to be the origin of life?
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[QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="l0ve"]Well, according to evolution I believe life starts spontaneously. Look up spontaneous generation of life. Apparently living organisms just form out of non living materials, or something. We on earth have smart scientists and technology to produce "organic" compounds that are not alive and such that if we combine are "supposed" to make something living. Anyways even the most simple single celled organism has like DNA and all those cell organs, which for something so simple that could form all by itself we cannot recreate.l0ve
Good job on confusing Evolution and Abiogenesis.

Umm, sorry. Will you please forgive me and explain what evolutionists believe to be the origin of life?

It is the same as you described it but it is not called evolution. It is caleld abiogensis. Evolution is the adaption of things already alive to their environment. Abiogensis is the generation of living material out of non living material.

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[QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="l0ve"]Well, according to evolution I believe life starts spontaneously. Look up spontaneous generation of life. Apparently living organisms just form out of non living materials, or something. We on earth have smart scientists and technology to produce "organic" compounds that are not alive and such that if we combine are "supposed" to make something living. Anyways even the most simple single celled organism has like DNA and all those cell organs, which for something so simple that could form all by itself we cannot recreate.l0ve
Good job on confusing Evolution and Abiogenesis.

Umm, sorry. Will you please forgive me and explain what evolutionists believe to be the origin of life?

Meh, I hate loaded questions like this.

You can't lump everyone who believes evolution to be true into the same category, and say they all have the same beliefs beyond evolutionary theory itself. The Roman Catholic Church even upholds that Darwinian evolution is a truth. But I can guarantee their explanation for the origin of life is much different from mine.

But you still missed my point.

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I'm not even going to answer this, considering the word "weather" was used in place of "whether".

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oh yippee for you. you found a spelling error. I do wonder what it takes to start life from nothing though.
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[QUOTE="Xbxg32000"]

I'm not even going to answer this, considering the word "weather" was used in place of "whether".

Serraph105

oh yippee for you. you found a spelling error. I do wonder what it takes to start life from nothing though.

Life did not start from nothing. The chemicals and basic constituents that combined to form it already existed.

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the best working theory is abiogenesis and protocells. you learn this in grade 12 biology class.... at least.... you should have.
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I'll describe the basics of how abiogenesis could have occurred. DNA is the basic consituent of life. RNA is just a single stranded form almost identical to DNA. Scientists believe that an RNA molecule was the first genetic material. It is known that certain clays have a charged surface. Nucleotides, that are the consituents of RNA, are attracted to this clay and clump together. This enabled the nucleotides to form long chain polymers and form RNA molecules. This clay, it's charge and nucleotides beign attracted to it have all been demonstrated in the lab. RNA could have also formed in frozen salt water. When salt water freezes and ice crystals begin to form the nucleotides get pushed out and become consentrated. Here are a couple videos to exaplin far more indepth from people far more intelligent than me on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhWds7djuWo&feature=channel_page

And here is a group of videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg

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I'll describe the basics of how abiogenesis could have occurred. DNA is the basic consituent of life. RNA is just a single stranded form almost identical to DNA. Scientists believe that an RNA molecule was the first genetic material. It is known that certain clays have a charged surface. Nucleotides, that are the consituents of RNA, are attracted to this clay and clump together. This enabled the nucleotides to form long chain polymers and form RNA molecules. This clay, it's charge and nucleotides beign attracted to it have all been demonstrated in the lab. RNA could have also formed in frozen salt water. When salt water freezes and ice crystals begin to form the nucleotides get pushed out and become consentrated. Here are a couple videos to exaplin far more indepth from people far more intelligent than me on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhWds7djuWo&feature=channel_page

And here is a group of videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg

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Presumably the same way it started on Earth :? Whatever you believe, it doesn't rule out the possibility that aliens exist.
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#37 brandontwb
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wel... im just gonna say what you've all heard before, how can there NOT be life out the when the universe is infinite, there just HAS to be!

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That's just the point in arguing against. I said that it doesn't matter how many rocks there are out there, but the main question we should ask is 'how does life start?' Bacteria on Mars is enough to assume that life is on other planets.
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#38 brandontwb
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[QUOTE="sense_b12"][QUOTE="KDIDDY78"]actually the univers is not infinite...there is a edge to the universe:) ...its big but not infinite

BumFluff122

ahhh yeah, the universe is actually expanding isnt it so they say... but if it is expanding, then what is it expanding into?!

We don't know what it's expanding into. It could be expanding into another reality. It could be expanding into nothing. It could be cyclic meaning it is expanding into ourselves.

Expanding into another reality? What does that even mean? It sounds really stupid.
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#39 Murj
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Silly TC, the answer is in the Bible!

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Silly TC, the answer is in the Bible!

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