Wu-Tang's legacy is undeniable. GOAT group

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And that's just the main group, not including affiliates...

On a weekly basis, atleast one album from the group alone and affiliates will be bumped.

Timeless albums, over all these years I don't think any group could **** with Wu's stuff. Atleast that's just me.

ITI brought up Wu-Tang as one of the reasons I have the worst taste in OTB...:lol:

We won't get into all the **** he listens to that people don't remember a month later.

ITI brought up Wu-Tang as one of the reasons I have the worst taste in OTB...:lol:

We won't get into all the **** he listens to that people don't remember a month later.

mowz00

This is the first time I can remember I saw a thread / post made by Hasheesh, where I smiled and nodded my head in agreement

You done good, I 100% agree...There is no group that can contend with the Wu Tang Clan's quality. Don't even bring up BCC, Wu-Tang is better.

ugkrubbersouI

Don't even bring up BCC, Wu-Tang is better. Toriko42

I've never been a big Wu fan... always preferred BCC. Either way, they both got multiple classic albums under their belt, so repect to both of them.

even wu fans would agree that maybe a quarter of those albums posted would be considered classic...rubbersouI

truth

even wu fans would agree that maybe a quarter of those albums posted would be considered classic...rubbersouI

LOL ^ yeah right. Most Wu is sickness. LS is like my 2nd favorite album ever, so that alone puts them ahead of UGK. UGK is dope though.

Atmosphere deserves mention as one of the best "groups" of all time... just to put that out there. and Outkast and UGK  > Wu, if you don't consider the solo albums like LS and all that. Wu group albums just don't stand up to those of Kast and UGK. Super Tight, Ridin' Dirty, etc.. > Wu's group efforts. Same with Outkast...

defenitly my favorite group.

[QUOTE="rubbersouI"]ugkToriko42

Group or not, which technically 2 or more equals a group, I still put UGK ahead of Wu Tang as well. I love me some Wu Tang though. 

LOL ^ yeah right. Most Wu is sickness. LS is like my 2nd favorite album ever, so that alone puts them ahead of UGK. UGK is dope though.

Atmosphere deserves mention as one of the best "groups" of all time... just to put that out there. and Outkast and UGK  > Wu, if you don't consider the solo albums like LS and all that. Wu group albums just don't stand up to those of Kast and UGK. Super Tight, Ridin' Dirty, etc.. > Wu's group efforts. Same with Outkast...

 

 

elpooz

Wu-Tang Clan is like...9 people

Just look at the differences in their solo albums, it's a lot harder to make consistently dope group records then Duo records

And even then, the Wu is great at that, they made one of if not the best group record of all time with Enter the 36 Chambers and their follow ups like Forever and The W are great...

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="rubbersouI"]ugkcmpepper23

Group or not, which technically 2 or more equals a group, I still put UGK ahead of Wu Tang as well. I love me some Wu Tang though. 

[QUOTE="cmpepper23"]

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="rubbersouI"]ugkToriko42

Group or not, which technically 2 or more equals a group, I still put UGK ahead of Wu Tang as well. I love me some Wu Tang though. 

I completely agree with that. I'm not taking anything away from the Wu. UGK is my favorite rap group/duo though and will always be top of my list.   

[QUOTE="elpooz"]

LOL ^ yeah right. Most Wu is sickness. LS is like my 2nd favorite album ever, so that alone puts them ahead of UGK. UGK is dope though.

Atmosphere deserves mention as one of the best "groups" of all time... just to put that out there. and Outkast and UGK  > Wu, if you don't consider the solo albums like LS and all that. Wu group albums just don't stand up to those of Kast and UGK. Super Tight, Ridin' Dirty, etc.. > Wu's group efforts. Same with Outkast...

 

 

Toriko42

Wu-Tang Clan is like...9 people

Just look at the differences in their solo albums, it's a lot harder to make consistently dope group records then Duo records

And even then, the Wu is great at that, they made one of if not the best group record of all time with Enter the 36 Chambers and their follow ups like Forever and The W are great...

Outkast's albums are still better than Wu's group albums... As are UGK's. It's not my fault Wu didn't drop some of their weaker members. And I'd take Aquemini alone > 36 Chambers. Yeah, I said it. Solo album wise, the Wu is easily the best collective or whatever out there, but their group albums are just good overall. 36 Chambers was classic, and the rest were just good, except for 8 Diagrams which is pretty meh. 

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="elpooz"]

LOL ^ yeah right. Most Wu is sickness. LS is like my 2nd favorite album ever, so that alone puts them ahead of UGK. UGK is dope though.

Atmosphere deserves mention as one of the best "groups" of all time... just to put that out there. and Outkast and UGK  > Wu, if you don't consider the solo albums like LS and all that. Wu group albums just don't stand up to those of Kast and UGK. Super Tight, Ridin' Dirty, etc.. > Wu's group efforts. Same with Outkast...

 

 

elpooz

Wu-Tang Clan is like...9 people

Just look at the differences in their solo albums, it's a lot harder to make consistently dope group records then Duo records

And even then, the Wu is great at that, they made one of if not the best group record of all time with Enter the 36 Chambers and their follow ups like Forever and The W are great...

Outkast's albums are still better than Wu's group albums... As are UGK's. It's not my fault Wu didn't drop some of their weaker members. And I'd take Aquemini alone > 36 Chambers. Yeah, I said it. Solo album wise, the Wu is easily the best collective or whatever out there, but their group albums are just good overall. 36 Chambers was classic, and the rest were just good, except for 8 Diagrams which is pretty meh. 

Compare a group of four or more against the Wu and you got an argument.

Outkast is a consistent duo because it's only two people, they work off eachother

The Wu is like, 9 people. Remember 8 Diagrams? Rza's direction wasn't in line with what GFK wanted and that made a weaker album. 

I think everyone knows that the Wu Solo albums are the best thing about them though, Liquid Swords, OBFCL, Supreme Clientele, Ironman, Tical, Fishscale, Return to the 36th Chamber, etc. but I don't see how you can compare Wu to Outkast. BCC yes, DITC yes, any four man posse really, but not a duo.

it would be easier for 9 members of a group to produce a good album than 2. i can't think of any reason why that wouldn't be true...rubbersouI

this ^

i get what youre saying toriko, but 9 people should damn well be able to drop heat if all 9 of them are putting their heads together. 9 great artists and they could only put out one classic? outkast >>>> that. sure, there was probably less confrontation in atmosphere, kast, ugk, etc... but they also had less ideas bouncing around. 

Ideas can come in numbers sure but if the whole group isn't on the same wavelength then there won't be any fruition of those ideas...

I'm pretty sure in Outkast if Big Boi has an idea, he can do his own thing like he did on West Savannah or on the whole Speakerboxxx Album but in Wu-Tang, if one artist has an idea then 8 people gotta think it's a good idea, they all gotta go along with it. Even though you'll get more ideas, you might not get everyone agreeing that those ideas are good. 

Ideas can come in numbers sure but if the whole group isn't on the same wavelength then there won't be any fruition of those ideas...

I'm pretty sure in Outkast if Big Boi has an idea, he can do his own thing like he did on West Savannah or on the whole Speakerboxxx Album but in Wu-Tang, if one artist has an idea then 8 people gotta think it's a good idea, they all gotta go along with it. Even though you'll get more ideas, you might not get everyone agreeing that those ideas are good. 

Toriko42

Same thing can happen in a group of two, though. Yes, there might be more disagreement in ideas in a larger group, but there'll also be more ideas, so it probably evens out somewhat.

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]

Ideas can come in numbers sure but if the whole group isn't on the same wavelength then there won't be any fruition of those ideas...

I'm pretty sure in Outkast if Big Boi has an idea, he can do his own thing like he did on West Savannah or on the whole Speakerboxxx Album but in Wu-Tang, if one artist has an idea then 8 people gotta think it's a good idea, they all gotta go along with it. Even though you'll get more ideas, you might not get everyone agreeing that those ideas are good. 

Foolz3h

Same thing can happen in a group of two, though. Yes, there might be more disagreement in ideas in a larger group, but there'll also be more ideas, so it probably evens out somewhat.

Y'all have done group work at school right, with friends perhaps.

I'd imagine it was a lot easier to work with just one other person then a group of four or more.

wu tang were great, but sometimes their rap was just too aggressive for me, some more variety would have been nice, but other than that they were great

wu tang were great, but sometimes their rap was just too aggressive for me, some more variety would have been nice, but other than that they were great

 

hittin

you need to crawl out of that suburb from time to time boy.

As a collection of rappers, and their solo albums, sure Wu-Tang is #1. Unfortunately, they have only one classic group effort. When groups like De La Soul, The Roots, and A Tribe Called Quest are much better groups, and each have about 3 classic albums when the Wu only has the one.

1. The Roots
2. ATCQ
3. De La Soul
4. Wu-Tang

I mean you always hear people talk about the solo works of Dre, Ice Cube, and Eazy-E, but don't connect those to NWA?

As a collection of rappers, and their solo albums, sure Wu-Tang is #1. Unfortunately, they have only one classic group effort. When groups like De La Soul, The Roots, and A Tribe Called Quest are much better groups, and each have about 3 classic albums when the Wu only has the one.

1. The Roots
2. ATCQ
3. De La Soul
4. Wu-Tang

I mean you always hear people talk about the solo works of Dre, Ice Cube, and Eazy-E, but don't connect those to NWA?

TheBigTicket21

When Ice Cube made a solo album he didn't have anyone from NWA...

When Q-Tip made The Renaissance, no one from ATCQ was on there...

Some of the solo albums are almost as much a group album as anything, OBFCL being a good example

One of the best groups ever, I dont know about the #1.

Top 10 no doubt.. here are some of my favorite groups.

- BDP

- Hieroglyphics

- Gang Starr

- Tribe Called Qued

- NWA

- 3X Krazy

- Wu Tang

- The Luniz

- Digital Underground

- The Coup

- De La Soul

- Living Legends

- Outkast

- Goodie Mob

- UGK

- Juice Crew

- The Mob Figgaz

-  RUN DMC

- The Roots

- Above The Law

- Boot Camp Click

- Comptons Most Wanted

- Getto Boyz

Could make a case for any of those groups imo.

Ive been listening to hiphop since 1987 and I cant just pick one group.

To be a great group its not just how many ****c albums you drop, its also other things.. here are what I consider to see if a group is one of the best or a great group...

1. Quality of group albums (ability to make the rapping good along with knowing how to pick great beats)

2. Live shows/stage presence

3.  Influence on hiphop and originality

4. Quality of Work that they each do with others

5. Longevity

As a collection of rappers, and their solo albums, sure Wu-Tang is #1. Unfortunately, they have only one classic group effort. When groups like De La Soul, The Roots, and A Tribe Called Quest are much better groups, and each have about 3 classic albums when the Wu only has the one.

1. The Roots
2. ATCQ
3. De La Soul
4. Wu-Tang

I mean you always hear people talk about the solo works of Dre, Ice Cube, and Eazy-E, but don't connect those to NWA?

TheBigTicket21

Wu Tang is soooo overrated

 

Mkavanaugh77

albeit, they do what they do pretty well but honestly I get bored hearing about selling drugs, or kicking some dudes ass in 90% of their music. For the record, I've enjoyed Raekwon, and Ghostface's latest albums...even "8 Diagrams" was pretty solid.

[QUOTE="Mkavanaugh77"]

Wu Tang is soooo overrated

Colt45fool

albeit, they do what they do pretty well but honestly I get bored hearing about selling drugs, or kicking some dudes ass in 90% of their music. For the record, I've enjoyed Raekwon, and Ghostface's latest albums...even "8 Diagrams" was pretty solid.

Exactly. Why the hell are people still getting excited about new Wu-Tang records in 2009? News flash: You already bought the record 15 ****ing years ago!

[QUOTE="Colt45fool"][QUOTE="Mkavanaugh77"]

Wu Tang is soooo overrated

 

IsThisIt_basic

albeit, they do what they do pretty well but honestly I get bored hearing about selling drugs, or kicking some dudes ass in 90% of their music. For the record, I've enjoyed Raekwon, and Ghostface's latest albums...even "8 Diagrams" was pretty solid.

Exactly. Why the hell are people still getting excited about new Wu-Tang records in 2009? News flash: You already bought the record 15 ****ing years ago!

Good music is still good music. If it sounds pleasant and it's on point lyrically why wouldn't I get excited for it.

Lyrical content is important but you know what, I'd rather have an artist stick with what they know and rock it then move on to something totally different. Case and point, Ghostface's last album; Wizard of Poetry.

[QUOTE="IsThisIt_basic"][QUOTE="Colt45fool"][QUOTE="Mkavanaugh77"]

Wu Tang is soooo overrated

Toriko42

albeit, they do what they do pretty well but honestly I get bored hearing about selling drugs, or kicking some dudes ass in 90% of their music. For the record, I've enjoyed Raekwon, and Ghostface's latest albums...even "8 Diagrams" was pretty solid.

Exactly. Why the hell are people still getting excited about new Wu-Tang records in 2009? News flash: You already bought the record 15 ****ing years ago!

Good music is still good music. If it sounds pleasant and it's on point lyrically why wouldn't I get excited for it.

Lyrical content is important but you know what, I'd rather have an artist stick with what they know and rock it then move on to something totally different. Case and point, Ghostface's last album; Wizard of Poetry.

I understand all this ... I'm not trying to hate on doing what you do good. Don't get me wrong; I'd love nothing more than for E-40 to go back to making records like he did in 94 or 2004. The problems here are:

1. Wu-Tang fans are notoriously some of the most close-minded fans in rap (look at just about any Wu-Tang fan here for proof of that).

and

2. I don't want someone telling me that a group who's catalogue consists, outside of Ghostface, of essentially 100 records of the same damn thing have the greatest catalogue in rap.

[QUOTE="IsThisIt_basic"][QUOTE="Colt45fool"][QUOTE="Mkavanaugh77"]

Wu Tang is soooo overrated

 

Toriko42

albeit, they do what they do pretty well but honestly I get bored hearing about selling drugs, or kicking some dudes ass in 90% of their music. For the record, I've enjoyed Raekwon, and Ghostface's latest albums...even "8 Diagrams" was pretty solid.

Exactly. Why the hell are people still getting excited about new Wu-Tang records in 2009? News flash: You already bought the record 15 ****ing years ago!

Good music is still good music. If it sounds pleasant and it's on point lyrically why wouldn't I get excited for it.

Lyrical content is important but you know what, I'd rather have an artist stick with what they know and rock it then move on to something totally different. Case and point, Ghostface's last album; Wizard of Poetry.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Wizard of Poetry album like an R&B album? Tell me, when's the last time a rapper who put out an R&B-type disc had ANY love among hip hop heads? LL Cool J lost the interest of hip hop heads when he became a crossover R&B star, why wouldn't Ghostface? Also, I don't see how Ghostface's solo ventures have anything to do with Wu group albums. Like TBT said, they're two completely different things, and should be treated as such. Besdides, bringing up a Ghost solo album makes no sense, since Ghost more often than any of the other members has the most variety in his subject matter, with him rapping more for aesthetic purposes. 

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="IsThisIt_basic"][QUOTE="Colt45fool"][QUOTE="Mkavanaugh77"]

Wu Tang is soooo overrated

 

Colt45fool

albeit, they do what they do pretty well but honestly I get bored hearing about selling drugs, or kicking some dudes ass in 90% of their music. For the record, I've enjoyed Raekwon, and Ghostface's latest albums...even "8 Diagrams" was pretty solid.

Exactly. Why the hell are people still getting excited about new Wu-Tang records in 2009? News flash: You already bought the record 15 ****ing years ago!

Good music is still good music. If it sounds pleasant and it's on point lyrically why wouldn't I get excited for it.

Lyrical content is important but you know what, I'd rather have an artist stick with what they know and rock it then move on to something totally different. Case and point, Ghostface's last album; Wizard of Poetry.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Wizard of Poetry album like an R&B album? Tell me, when's the last time a rapper who put out an R&B-type disc had ANY love among hip hop heads? LL Cool J lost the interest of hip hop heads when he became a crossover R&B star, why wouldn't Ghostface? Also, I don't see how Ghostface's solo ventures have anything to do with Wu group albums. Like TBT said, they're two completely different things, and should be treated as such. Besdides, bringing up a Ghost solo album makes no sense, since Ghost more often than any of the other members has the most variety in his subject matter, with him rapping more for aesthetic purposes. 

As for Ghost, Fishscale is the last near-cIassic he made but I liked DOE Rehab. Wizard of Poetry had some bangers but it's not his caliber, at all. He could do better especially seeing how sick some of the tracks are.

So Bun B doesn't have Pimp C on his albums? Pharoahe Monch didn't have Prince Po? Andre 3000 won't be on a Big Boi solo album? You think members of the Roots wouldn't contribute to a Black Thought album? I know it's not to the extent of a Wu album, but give me a break.

I know it's not to the extent of a Wu album

Colt45fool

Is this basically what everyone's arguing, whether or not the solo albums count to the Wu's GOAT legacy :|

I never thought this was a point of contention 

Solo wu-tang albums are well....wu-tang albums, so those classic "solo" albums gets added to the total number of classic wu-tang albums (group or not). Look at Ironman for instance, almost every track has a wu-tang member guest appearances. So it's essentially a group wu-tang album with ghostface appearing on every track.

Same thing can be said about OB4CL with ghostface nearly everywhere, and guest appearances every 2 tracks or so, and so on and so forth for th rest of their classic albums.

Oh, and by critics, no hip-hop group had made an album that recieved an acclaim thats higher than Enter the Wu (36 Chambers)

They're definitely not my favorite...

I prefer Boot Camp Clik, Diggin' In The Crates, Gang Starr(If duo's count) De La Soul.....