Madworld's Dark Secret Some Fans Are Afraid Will Get Out

Are you and Jaysonguy going to argue now with what the Publisher AND Developer say their own game is?!!?!clicketyclick

I'm going to say that not everything travels from the devs moth to the site's ears clearly.

The same way Metal Gear got a 0.0 here for half a day

the legend of zelda contains puzzles.

therefore it is a puzzle game

Hes got a point -- and I don't care if it is a mini-game, game looks fun = I want, I don't care what genre you classify it as.Haziqonfire

I agree.

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"] Are you and Jaysonguy going to argue now with what the Publisher AND Developer say their own game is?!!?!Jaysonguy

I'm going to say that not everything travels from the devs moth to the site's ears clearly.

The same way Metal Gear got a 0.0 here for half a day

We are supposed to take Jaysonguy's word over both the Publisher's and Developer's Official Sites and every single Game Journalism site!! :lol: Don't listen to the reporters who have talked to the developers and publishers!

Don't listen to the publishers or developers themselves even! Listen to Jaysonguy! He'll tell you what their game is ACTUALLY about and what they meant to emphasise in it!

why do you refer to it as a "dark secret"? being a minigame collection isn't the death of this game........ O_o

bah and by posting in your controversial topic I'm helping to raise your level status! all hail Jaysonguy!!!! LOVELOVELOVELOVE

Sombro89

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[QUOTE="clicketyclick"] Are you and Jaysonguy going to argue now with what the Publisher AND Developer say their own game is?!!?!clicketyclick

I'm going to say that not everything travels from the devs moth to the site's ears clearly.

The same way Metal Gear got a 0.0 here for half a day

Click, you think the dev is updating the site?

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"] Are you and Jaysonguy going to argue now with what the Publisher AND Developer say their own game is?!!?!Jaysonguy

I'm going to say that not everything travels from the devs moth to the site's ears clearly.

The same way Metal Gear got a 0.0 here for half a day

Atsushi Inaba: Out of the current generation of game consoles, Wii has the greatest user base. It's only natural that we would want to provide content for the most numerous hardware. Also, Wii's unique interface can be a good match for action games depending on how it's used. When it comes to providing action games that are easy to play, Wii can be considered extremely good hardware. Lastly, the mix of content offered for this platform is unbalanced. We sensed there was an opportunity to offer an adult-oriented title with strong impact.

Straight from the producer's mouth. Can we end this thread now?

[QUOTE="Master_Hermes"]But the information you are using to prove it's a mini-game collection is also from a site, do you see how you are destroying your own argument? The only way you can now prove to me and everyone else here that MadWorld is a Mini-game collection and not contradict yourself is if you find a video where one of the lead developers of the game say "MadWorld is a Mini-Game Collection."AlexSays

He is trying to prove to me that MadWorld is a mini-game collection in the same light as Raving Rabbids, WarioWare or Carnaval Games and he has failed. MadWorld bares only a fleeting resemblance to those games at best. It bares far MORE of a resemblence to God Hand, No More Heroes or even God of War so why not label it in the same genre we label those games instead of "Mini-Game Collection?"

[QUOTE="Sombro89"]

why do you refer to it as a "dark secret"? being a minigame collection isn't the death of this game........ O_o

bah and by posting in your controversial topic I'm helping to raise your level status! all hail Jaysonguy!!!! LOVELOVELOVELOVE

Rocky32189

I'm reading through here and imo Jason and Alex are making the stronger argument!kenakuma

I'm reading through here and imo Jason and Alex are making the stronger argument!kenakuma

You're happy to quote from the developer's site when you think it'll boost your argument. You never considered the possibility that the people who run the site didn't get the info correct from the developer when you invoked their authority. ;) But now that the Dev and Pub sites don't support your idiosyncratic notions about Madworld, you dismiss them as unreliable!clicketyclick

No, if someone between the two of us looked I said I threw in the last pic just because I couldn't pass it up lol

You still didn't answer, does the dev update the site or not?

[QUOTE="kenakuma"]I'm reading through here and imo Jason and Alex are making the stronger argument!clicketyclick

Fighting game?

I just did a quick genre search on gamestop for fighting games on all platforms and the games listed under the fighting genre where Smash Bros, Street Fighter, Mortal Combat, Tekken, Soul Caliber, ect. Now do those game's gameplay resemble madworld's gameplay? no

Obviously the Dev and Pub had no idea what they were talking about when they labled it as a "fighting" game, lol.

He is trying to prove to me that MadWorld is a mini-game collection in the same light as Raving Rabbids, WarioWare or Carnival Games and he has failed. MadWorld bares only a fleeting resemblance to those games at best. It bares far MORE of a resemblence to God Hand, No Mores Heroes or even God of War so why not label it in the same genre we label those games instead of "Mini-Game Collection?"

Master_Hermes

There's a few of us seeing it in that light.

Each of those has a theme that ties the mini games together. With Carnival Games it's a carnival, with Mario Party it's a board game, with MadWorld it's killing people and things in unique ways.

[QUOTE="kenakuma"]I'm reading through here and imo Jason and Alex are making the stronger argument!Dark_Link142

Same here :P

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="kenakuma"]I'm reading through here and imo Jason and Alex are making the stronger argument!kenakuma

Fighting game?

I just did a quick genre search on gamestop for fighting games on all platforms and the games listed under the fighting genre where Smash Bros, Street Fighter, Mortal Combat, Tekken, Soul Caliber, ect. Now do those game's gameplay resembly madworld's gameplay? no

Obviously the Dev and Pub had no idea what they were talking about when they labled it as a "fighting" game, lol.

... you're joking, right? Fighting games include Beat Em Ups like Double Dragon. Madworld is very much in that style. You conclude that the Developer and Publisher of Madworld have no idea what they're talking about because of a search you did on GameStop?? :?clicketyclick

Beat Em Ups are a seperate genre from fighters, also I meant gamespot not gamestop.

Labels don't matter. I think both this thread and the other one that you made are pretty useless, because in the end, if its a beat em up, fighter, mini-game collection, adventure, action, etc -- it doesn't matter.Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"] ... you're joking, right? Fighting games include Beat Em Ups like Double Dragon. Madworld is very much in that style. You conclude that the Developer and Publisher of Madworld have no idea what they're talking about because of a search you did on GameStop?? :?kenakuma

Beat Em Ups are a seperate genre from fighters, also I meant gamespot not gamestop.

[QUOTE="Master_Hermes"]

He is trying to prove to me that MadWorld is a mini-game collection in the same light as Raving Rabbids, WarioWare or Carnival Games and he has failed. MadWorld bares only a fleeting resemblance to those games at best. It bares far MORE of a resemblence to God Hand, No Mores Heroes or even God of War so why not label it in the same genre we label those games instead of "Mini-Game Collection?"

AlexSays

There's a few of us seeing it in that light.

Each of those has a theme that ties the mini games together. With Carnival Games it's a carnival, with Mario Party it's a board game, with MadWorld it's killing people and things in unique ways.

I wasn't talking about themes or killing, I was talking about the gameplay and scope. Carnival Games and WarioWare don't have 10-12 hours single player campaigns with stories written by the same man you penned Ogre Battle, Final Fantasy Tactics, Vagrant Story and Final Fantasy XII. I'm in no way saying this game is going to be literature but, if this is a mini-game collection, why would one of the greatest writers in the industry be involved and why in God's name is there a campaign complete with full levels and epic boss battles? Again, I'm not saying it doesn't have mini-games but when those games play a secondary role to simply to spice things up, I see no reason to suggest this game is more akin to Carnaval games rather than God Hand.

Well try this search. It's a little more thorough. Do you see any separate category on that search function for Beat Em Ups other than "Fighting" or "Action"? What category would Beat Em Ups fit into if not Fighting? Are you fighting in Beat Em Ups? Yes! And if you want to invoke GameSpot's authority, GameSpot categorises it as a Beat-Em-Up game.clicketyclick

When it comes to arranging games by genre I'll take gamespot over metacritic anyday and gamepot lists it as a beat em up NOT a fighter!

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"] Well try this search. It's a little more thorough. Do you see any separate category on that search function for Beat Em Ups other than "Fighting" or "Action"? What category would Beat Em Ups fit into if not Fighting? Are you fighting in Beat Em Ups? Yes! And if you want to invoke GameSpot's authority, GameSpot categorises it as a Beat-Em-Up game.kenakuma

When it comes to arranging games by genre I'll take gamespot over metacritic anyday and gamepot lists it as a beat em up NOT a fighter!

Actually now that I think of it how many mini games can you actually make with that game? I found this on PlatinumGames forums:

MadWorld

- Have been playing it at a fair pace
- Definitely longer than 3 hours - About 5 hours in so far
- Matt loving it
- Everyone in the office who sees it does a double take
- Artistic and way gory
- Game gets pretty tough
- There are some major boss fights in the game that are challenging
- Matt recently beat a boss with a sliver of life left
- Great beat-em-up
- Game of the year contender- Matt more excited about playing MadWorld than Resident Evil 5- Publishers are absolutely watching this game
- If the game bombs, gamers are in trouble
- Matt will hate you if you can afford to buy the game and you rent it instead
- A sequel is possible if it sells well - sequels not always possible, even if it does sell well

If you don't believe me then go to there forums. I got there by going to the Madworld website and then going to blog. Now why would this guy lie about that? I think this will be a No More Heroes type of game.It even says Beat-em-up on Gamespots description. So much for you minigame lovers.

Remember when Metroid Prime first came out, and everyone argued about whether it was a first-person shooter or a first-person adventure game? This reminds me of that. Regardless of what he calls it, Jason is accuratlely describing the game from what I can tell. It consists of action segments and minigame segments, maybe even equally. Instead of arguing categorization, why don't we argue theimplications of this type of game?

Like I said in my first post in this thread, it's interesting that a developer is attempting a bloody action game that places a strong emphasis on one of the things that the Wii is most popular for - minigames. Will this facet of the game, along with the violence, help make it more appealing to the masses?

Will this facet of the game, along with the violence, help make it more appealing to the masses?

JordanElek

You have now given me inspiration for a new thread spaced sometime apart from this one

The brainstorm, I haz it

Regardless of what he calls it, Jason is accuratlely describing the game from what I can tell. It consists of action segments and minigame segments, maybe even equally. JordanElek

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Will this facet of the game, along with the violence, help make it more appealing to the masses?

Jaysonguy

You have now given me inspiration for a new thread spaced sometime apart from this one

The brainstorm, I haz it

Accurately? Equally? He said, "Others have said it's hack and slash WITH mini games, no it's not". He thinks the emphasis is entirely on mini-games, and compares it to Rayman Raving Rabbids, which is entirely mini-games.clicketyclick

The fact is that Madworld is not merely a minigame collection, nor is it merely a hack and slash. It incorporates elements of both and seems to do that pretty even-handedly. So even though Jason calls it a minigame collection, we can see from his own information that it's not JUST a minigame collection, and he even admits that, though he keeps pushing the label for shock value.

So again, how about this developer making a bloody action game with minigames? Have we ever seen something like it before? Will it increase its appeal?

What genre is Madworld mini-game collection20% [1]action game40% [2]beat'em up40% [2]survival horror0% [0]other, please specify your opinion0% [0]Total Votes: 5snover2009

I'm pretty sure you're doing it wrong :P

Awesome job chipping in though, the more the merrier

He's exaggerating with some of the comparisons, like he usually does, but the base information seems right. His Mario Party comparison seems very apt here as an explanation of his viewpoint. But it doesn't matter if you want to say it's a minigame collection with hack and slash links or a hack and slash with minigame links. I personally think that people will see it as the latter, but it really makes no difference since that's still just a matter of categorization and changes NOTHING about the game, just like calling Metroid an FPA instead of an FPS changes nothing about the game. All it changes is the immediate expectations, but Jason provides adequate information (along with the info already available from hands-on impressions and videos) for the reader to make a good judgment if he actually takes the time to think about it.JordanElek

The fact is that Madworld is not merely a minigame collection, nor is it merely a hack and slash. It incorporates elements of both and seems to do that pretty even-handedly.JordanElek

I'm not asking you to lock his thread. I'm just asking you not to further mislead people by claiming that what Jaysonguy has posted is as accurate description of the game.clicketyclick

I'm pretty sure you're doing it wrong :P

Awesome job chipping in though, the more the merrier

Jaysonguy

guess I know who voted

the results are in

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]I'm not asking you to lock his thread. I'm just asking you not to further mislead people by claiming that what Jaysonguy has posted is as accurate description of the game.AlexSays

A very convicing post! Compliments.

But technically isn't every video game a mini-game collection or a mini-game itself? I don't think MadWorld having mini-games is a bad thing at all, but to compare it to Mario Party and such mini-game collections is a bit far. I have yet to play the game, so I'll judge at that time. I've played some GREAT games that contained mini-games, but weren't necessarily in the "mini-game collection genre." In the original Street Fighter 2 you had to destroy barrels, crates, tin barrels and a car. Mortal Kombat had the mini-game where you had to destroy concrete blocks. Final Fantasy 7 had it's own arcade of mini-games. Those three games I mentioned can't really fall in the same genre as Mario Party can they? Comparing MadWorld to Mario Party and the like is MADNESS I tell you!! Regardless of the style of gameplay, I think this game is going to be a treat.

doing it right this time

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26792160&tag=topics;title

jasonguy find me a single player game that doesn't have mini-games to break apart the long stories?

link fishes in zelda, he sails, he solves puzzles, he does farm work, he fights, he puts on masks.

mario collects coins, beats up baddies, races people, puts on special suits, sneaks bby enemies, fights bosses, jumps between tight hurdles on special stages

saying madworld is a mini-game collection is hyperbole, mario party doesn't deliver a story like madworld, or legend of zelda games do

developers use these mini-games like fishing, timed courses, and man-darts to break the monotony (spell) of the single player experience from what it would be if they didn't add that

like pick pocketing in assassin's creed.

Insisting that it's a Mini-Game Collection and downplaying the parts that aren't mini-games as merely connecting the mini-games together and training you to play the mini-games is extremely, highly misleading.clicketyclick

Now back to the important stuff.... I think that the design of the game will definitely bolster sales. The addition of minigames, as well as multiplayer support for those minigames, will greatly broaden the appeal of the game. This could be something that gamers too insecure to bust out Boom Blox with their friends might actually be proud of, and those friends who only like violent games (we all have them ;)) will also be willing to play it. Then some people who have written the Wii off as child's play can see that all this "waggle" can actually be fun if you give it the chance.

And now you're exaggerating. What you just said is an accurate description of the game.JordanElek

• "So let's say the game is 10 levels, that gives us 21-30 mini games. That's one of the most robust collections on the Wii"

It simply isn't. It's got among the fewest if not THE fewest of any "Mini-Game Collection".

• "Others have said it's hack and slash WITH mini games, no it's not"

He's denying that it's hack and slash with minigames. Basis?

• "The hack and slash is warming you up for the mini games"

Basis? How is this put forward as fact? Did the dev say it somewhere? The Dev barely mentions the mini-games at all.

• "It's the devs way of making a slick tutorial that gets people immersed in the game so when a mini game comes it's cake."

Basis? He's making groundless claims about the dev's intentions and stating them as absolute fact. Many other examples...

I already responded to those arguments. Those are Jason's interpretations. He says it has 10 levels with two or three minigames each. That's a fact. The following "most robust on the Wii" comment is his interpretation (and he already defended it, however weakly).

He says that it's not hack and slash with minigames, because it's minigames with hack and slash. Like I explained before, the factual information is that there are hack and slash elements and minigame elements, and his labeling it as primarily a minigame collection is his interpretation.

I don't think I need to go on. His basis for all of these claims is factual information that he provided, even if we think he's completely misinterpreting it. Like I've said repeatedly already... we're working with the same info that Jason provided. He came to one conclusion, and we're entirely free to come to another.

My conclusion is that this game is a unique take on the strong points of the Wii, and it would be much more interesting to talk about those things than about whether or not this game can be crammed into a genre or not. Somebody please bite. :(