It was pretty damn good actually. I liked it.
 Still, nothing hold's a candle to Prisoner of Azkaban. Still the best, most expressive adaptation thus far.Â
I didn't think it was that great. They took out the battle with the Death Eaters at the end!! WTF!?789shadowmakes sense. They have to do it in the 7th movie anyway, it'd be silly to do it twice
The first movie was great.
2-4 were terrible.
The 5th was excellent (the best so far).
I'm watching The Half-Blood Prince tomorrow. It's one of the best books of the series, I can't wait to see it.
[QUOTE="IronBass"]I knew Harry Potter sucked after the 1st one.:P I didn't like the 1st one that much, very overrated IMO.The first movie was great.
2-4 were terrible.
mitu123
Hey me too! Well as far as the books go at least, I decided to read it to see what all the hussle and bussle was about. Thought it was an okay book but didn't bother to dwell into it any deeper. Movies are entertaining though.
[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="IronBass"]I knew Harry Potter sucked after the 1st one.:P I didn't like the 1st one that much, very overrated IMO.The first movie was great.
2-4 were terrible.
spinecaton
Hey me too! Well as far as the books go at least, I decided to read it to see what all the hussle and bussle was about. Thought it was an okay book but didn't bother to dwell into it any deeper. Movies are entertaining though.
The books are better than the movies IMO, definitely the 1st one, I read the 1st book and watched the movie, and I preferred the book, LOL. To me these books don't translate that well into movies.The books are better than the movies IMO, definitely the 1st one, I read the 1st book and watched the movie, and I preferred the book, LOL. To me these books don't translate that well into movies.mitu123
The first book and the movie are a lot alike. It's the second book IMO that they started messing with the story too much. They should have made each book into 2 movies. That would have been better than what they have done now. WHich is one of the reasons I stopped watching the movies.Â
The books are good and I disagree with the idea they are overrated.Â
[QUOTE="mitu123"]The books are better than the movies IMO, definitely the 1st one, I read the 1st book and watched the movie, and I preferred the book, LOL. To me these books don't translate that well into movies.HarlockJC
The first book and the movie are a lot alike. It's the second book IMO that they started messing with the story too much. They should have made each book into 2 movies. That would have been better than what they have done now. WHich is one of the reasons I stopped watching the movies.Â
The books are good and I disagree with the idea they are overrated.Â
Hmm, maybe you're right, I do use that word(overrated) a lot though.:PSeriously, the transitions were freaking awful.Ibacaihmm, jarring transitions, I think I might agree with that. Anyway, 2 was the worst book AND worst movie.
I couldn't even bring myself to read the last book. The franchise, for me, died with the end of the fourth book. I really didn't like the 'edgy' route it took from there. You could tell Rowling had completely lost touch with what she had initially created.Verge_6
I think her plan was to try and 'grow up' with the audience she had initially captured with the first book.
As for the movie, I liked it quite a bit. The only problems were that it was slow in parts and that it was edited by a blind monkey with ear-plugs. Seriously, the transitions were freaking awful.Ibacai
I didn't see anything out of the ordinary. Then again, I don't primarily watch Hollywood blockbusters so I'm not perplexed by some fancy, artsy looking stuff.Â
I still wouldn't say it was edited by a blind monkey with ear-plugs. That simian edited Babylon A.D. Seriously man, it seemed every other sequence ended with a fade-to-black for no apparent reason.Â
[QUOTE="Ibacai"]As for the movie, I liked it quite a bit. The only problems were that it was slow in parts and that it was edited by a blind monkey with ear-plugs. Seriously, the transitions were freaking awful.FrozenLiquid
I didn't see anything out of the ordinary. Then again, I don't primarily watch Hollywood blockbusters so I'm not perplexed by some fancy, artsy looking stuff.Â
I still wouldn't say it was edited by a blind monkey with ear-plugs. That simian edited Babylon A.D. Seriously man, it seemed every other sequence ended with a fade-to-black for no apparent reason.Â
It wasn't artsy stuff. It was a botched editing job to rush the movie out in time after the first cut was rejected.i enjoyed it though good lord did it leave you dissapointed that there wasn't some epic wizard battle like the last one. Ontaini believe they're saving up for the last 2 movies
[QUOTE="Verge_6"]I couldn't even bring myself to read the last book. The franchise, for me, died with the end of the fourth book. I really didn't like the 'edgy' route it took from there. You could tell Rowling had completely lost touch with what she had initially created.FrozenLiquid
I think her plan was to try and 'grow up' with the audience she had initially captured with the first book.
I sure as hell didn't want that. I wanted fun, quirky adventures centuring around a magical school and its students. Not a dark tale where all those characters get killed every other page.
[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]I couldn't even bring myself to read the last book. The franchise, for me, died with the end of the fourth book. I really didn't like the 'edgy' route it took from there. You could tell Rowling had completely lost touch with what she had initially created.Verge_6
I think her plan was to try and 'grow up' with the audience she had initially captured with the first book.
I sure as hell didn't want that. I wanted fun, quirky adventures centuring around a magical school and its students. Not a dark tale where all those characters get killed every other page.
fun and quirky gets old real quick[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]I couldn't even bring myself to read the last book. The franchise, for me, died with the end of the fourth book. I really didn't like the 'edgy' route it took from there. You could tell Rowling had completely lost touch with what she had initially created.Jandurin
I think her plan was to try and 'grow up' with the audience she had initially captured with the first book.
I sure as hell didn't want that. I wanted fun, quirky adventures centuring around a magical school and its students. Not a dark tale where all those characters get killed every other page.
fun and quirky gets old real quickSo does dark and edgy. REALLY fun and quirky, like the first book, does indeed get old. But, if the rest of the series had had the same tone as, say, books two and three, I would have enjoyed it. It certainly has some dark and even disturbing elements to it, but it's still got a healthy amount of Hogwarts schooling and fun in it.Â
So does dark and edgy. REALLY fun and quirky, like the first book, does indeed get old. But, if the rest of the series had had the same tone as, say, books two and three, I would have enjoyed it. It certainly has some dark and even disturbing elements to it, but it's still got a healthy amount of Hogwarts schooling and fun in it.Â
Verge_6
my friends and I have quite a few laughs during the last movie. most at the love triangle subplot.Â
I didn't think it was that great. They took out the battle with the Death Eaters at the end!! WTF!?789shadow
^^^ this I can understand other omissions due to time constraints but the movie desperately lacked an action piece and this would have finished off the movie nicely.
[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Ibacai"]As for the movie, I liked it quite a bit. The only problems were that it was slow in parts and that it was edited by a blind monkey with ear-plugs. Seriously, the transitions were freaking awful.Ibacai
I didn't see anything out of the ordinary. Then again, I don't primarily watch Hollywood blockbusters so I'm not perplexed by some fancy, artsy looking stuff.
I still wouldn't say it was edited by a blind monkey with ear-plugs. That simian edited Babylon A.D. Seriously man, it seemed every other sequence ended with a fade-to-black for no apparent reason.
It wasn't artsy stuff. It was a botched editing job to rush the movie out in time after the first cut was rejected.Oh really? Well damn this filmmaker for not picking out what was a bad editing job. FML totally. Imma totally hand in my reigns.
Really, not once did I experience out of sync audio, not once did I see a major unintended continuity error, and not once did I see Yates and co. break the 180 rule. I may sound blunt but I honestly cannot tell you how many times people have decided an editor ****ed up just because they couldn't handle the non-conformity. Not only that, they don't even know half of what editing is; I am going to presume your idea of 'editing' was completely within the realms of visuals, in particular the cuts, disregarding color grading, mattes, set continuity etc. Let's not even begin to talk about audio in editing.
Let's say I'm wrong in my presumption. I'm going to see this movie again, so could you please tell me which scenes in particular are so bad so that I can look out for them upon my next viewing. I actually feel ashamed I couldn't pick them out because as a filmmaker, I can't watch movies as pure escapism anymore; I know the tricks they use and I basically see the film set around the intended composition, and instead of seeing seamless editing, I see the fruits of Avid, Premiere Pro, Vegas etc. So for me to miss overall bad editing makes me feel pretty stink.
If all you come up with, however, is a sequence such as Harry leafing through the half-blood prince book while all that crap flashes by past the screen in an effort to convey time lapse, well, don't worry about it. As I said, I've heard it before, and I think I've had enough.
The only thing in HBP that seemed out of place, and it's not the fault of the editor, but the both the director and DoP, are a few handheld shots that litter some of the suspenseful sequences. While a lot of the shots were conventional mid-to-close up statics, tracks, and pans, some joker thought he would scatter some shaky cam here and there while hiding in the bush. Children of Men, this ain't.
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Anyway, why do I sound so angry? Because editors get the short end of the stick, all the freakin' time. Not only do they not get credited for their technical proficiency (only at the Academy Awards), they're the ones that did several years of film theory papers while we childish directors sat on our fat asses and watched our favourite films over and over again during the same period. In the end, the directors get all the credit for a perfectly cohesive film, and the editors gotta sit down and shutup behind him. At least cinematographers/DoPs are slowly being credited for films, and I hope editors get the limelight next.
I sure as hell didn't want that. I wanted fun, quirky adventures centuring around a magical school and its students. Not a dark tale where all those characters get killed every other page.
Verge_6
I understand that it did get a bit dark in the end, but kudos to Rowling for not making fun and luff for all seven books. In any case, the books got progressively darker as the series went on, so maybe even your partiality towards Goblet of Fire irks fans of only the first book, and yeah, there was an outspoken group of fans who only ever liked the first book :S.
Anyway, I think Rowling turned out better when she did what she wanted to do (except for a particular thing, more on that later). The only fanservice she did was the epilogue of Deathy Hallows, and boy did that completely suck. So if you liked the epilogue after Deathly Hallows, then well, I guess you like it. I personally thought that was the dumbest thing I've ever read after a 7 book epic. Fanservice and a disappointing low.
Oh, and Harry/Hermione forever. Alfonso Cuaron knew it, David Yates knew it (they work so damn well in the HPB movie), Dumbledore knew it, and hell, even Harry and Hermione knew it. Rowling, like that oh-so-fussy mother did you rip those two apart. Let love blossom!
That was awesome. Honestly, Hermione works with everyone D: I could see Ron, Krum, anyone with her.Oh, and Harry/Hermione forever. Alfonso Cuaron knew it, David Yates knew it (they work so damn well in the HPB movie), Dumbledore knew it, and hell, even Harry and Hermione knew it. Rowling, like that oh-so-fussy mother did you rip those two apart. Let love blossom!
FrozenLiquid
[QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Ibacai"]As for the movie, I liked it quite a bit. The only problems were that it was slow in parts and that it was edited by a blind monkey with ear-plugs. Seriously, the transitions were freaking awful.FrozenLiquid
I didn't see anything out of the ordinary. Then again, I don't primarily watch Hollywood blockbusters so I'm not perplexed by some fancy, artsy looking stuff.
I still wouldn't say it was edited by a blind monkey with ear-plugs. That simian edited Babylon A.D. Seriously man, it seemed every other sequence ended with a fade-to-black for no apparent reason.
It wasn't artsy stuff. It was a botched editing job to rush the movie out in time after the first cut was rejected.Oh really? Well damn this filmmaker for not picking out what was a bad editing job. FML totally. Imma totally hand in my reigns.
Really, not once did I experience out of sync audio, not once did I see a major unintended continuity error, and not once did I see Yates and co. break the 180 rule. I may sound blunt but I honestly cannot tell you how many times people have decided an editor ****ed up just because they couldn't handle the non-conformity. Not only that, they don't even know half of what editing is; I am going to presume your idea of 'editing' was completely within the realms of visuals, in particular the cuts, disregarding color grading, mattes, set continuity etc. Let's not even begin to talk about audio in editing.
Let's say I'm wrong in my presumption. I'm going to see this movie again, so could you please tell me which scenes in particular are so bad so that I can look out for them upon my next viewing. I actually feel ashamed I couldn't pick them out because as a filmmaker, I can't watch movies as pure escapism anymore; I know the tricks they use and I basically see the film set around the intended composition, and instead of seeing seamless editing, I see the fruits of Avid, Premiere Pro, Vegas etc. So for me to miss overall bad editing makes me feel pretty stink.
If all you come up with, however, is a sequence such as Harry leafing through the half-blood prince book while all that crap flashes by past the screen in an effort to convey time lapse, well, don't worry about it. As I said, I've heard it before, and I think I've had enough.
The only thing in HBP that seemed out of place, and it's not the fault of the editor, but the both the director and DoP, are a few handheld shots that litter some of the suspenseful sequences. While a lot of the shots were conventional mid-to-close up statics, tracks, and pans, some joker thought he would scatter some shaky cam here and there while hiding in the bush. Children of Men, this ain't.
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Anyway, why do I sound so angry? Because editors get the short end of the stick, all the freakin' time. Not only do they not get credited for their technical proficiency (only at the Academy Awards), they're the ones that did several years of film theory papers while we childish directors sat on our fat asses and watched our favourite films over and over again during the same period. In the end, the directors get all the credit for a perfectly cohesive film, and the editors gotta sit down and shutup behind him. At least cinematographers/DoPs are slowly being credited for films, and I hope editors get the limelight next.
Butt hurt argument coming. Just sleepy right now.Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince was a great movie which was actually better than the book in many ways. But first let me get my gripes with the movie out of the way:
+I felt some scenes were really rushed.
+I felt they tried to wrap the movie up too quickly. The ending should have been extended.
+They didn't delve deep enough into the Half-Blood Prince potion book storyline.
+They didn't set up Aragog's death sufficiently. I would think that the audience wanted to know why Hagrid was standing over a dead spider.
Now this is what I think the movie did right:
+The film was visually gorgeous. It was by far the most visually attractive/visually interesting Potter film. Starting wtih Prisoner of Azkaban the films have had a beautiful gothic look to them and in HBP that style is in top form.
+The movie had good dialogue and it was genuinely funny in many parts. I always felt that the movies were horrible in the humor department, but this one was on point except for a few awkward parts here and there.
+Being worried about them focusing too much on the romance, I was actually very happy with the way it turned out. The actress that played Lavender was excellent and they made the romance parts seem more grounded and authentic than in the book.
+The acting performances were top-notch (well, for a Potter film anway) in this movie. The adults always do an excellent job, but the kids (well they're not really kids anymore, but you get what I mean) always seemed to turn in awkward performances. However, in HBP, the kids turn in great performances as well.
+The flash-backs were handled extremely well. Potter fanboys are going to be mad that so many of the flashbacks were done away with, but these people never seem to be able to understand that film and books are two different mediums and so the movie and the books can't line up exactly. With the flashbacks, the moviemakers took out the best stuff, streamlined it, did justice to the most exciting parts and thus made them acceptable in a fast-paced medium such as a film. In films, it's important to try to keep stuff like flashbacks to a minimum because too much backward motion bores the audience. The filmakers mantained a good balance.
+I was extremely skeptical with how the movie was going to turn out because HBP is such a transitional book. It's not all that eventful, there are not many setpieces, it's sort of a slow-burner, it's not very stand-alone, but rather is there to set up Book 7, etc. However, I was pleasently surprised at how good a job the moviemarkers did in the way of taking material not well-suited for adaption and making an interesting movie out of it and how good a job the filmakers did in the way of making HBP function somewhat (key word being somewhat, I don't think it's possible to make the last two volumes function completely as stand-alone stories) as a stand-alone story.
I'd argue that the single most important factor in their success in this area was the emphasis of Slughorn and his plot arc and the way that they handled the Malfoy plot arc. The fact that they introduced Harry's mission to get Slughorn to divulge his memory right away, making it appear as a mission very central to the progression of the story (I felt the movie put more importance on this than the book and thus the movie seems less meandering than the book and more purposeful), was essential in building anticipation.
The Malfoy plot arc was handled beautifully. In the book, the reader is given clues that Malfoy is up to something, but since the book is somewhat limited to Harry's perspective, we only truly know what he's up to through dialogue when he lays it all out at the end. In the book, we are told more than shown. The movie shows was Draco is up to, however, by showing him with the vanishing cabinet and showing him testing it out with a bird and an apple, etc. Basically, the movie reworks the vanishing cabinet stuff so that we can see that endeavor in real-time and not hear about it second hand through Draco. I say with no reservation that the Malfoy plot arc was absolutely handled better in the film than in the book.
+I felt the movie did a good job of making what seemed kind of flat in the book have gravity in the movie. For instance, the Quidditch stuff.
+Eliminating the Dursley's all together was a really good move. Their part in the book was pretty dull so it was wise to just do away with them.
I could say alot more, but I'll just end by saying that these moviemakers know what they are doing. Kudos to them for making material that initially seemed incompatible with the film medium into a great, briskly paced movie.
I have mixed feelings about the movie.
I think a reason for that is that I loved and hated book six -- I love the Horcruxes, Slughorn, the memories, Snape, Dumbledore's death, all of the ending, and Luna. I pretty much hate the rest of the book: how almost all the characters were out of character compared to how they acted in the other five books, how she made Tom/Voldemort into a boring villain by making being born evil. And then the romance -- I think I must have done something horrible in a previous life or something to have had read through all of that just to get to the good parts.
The movie did fix a lot of the problems though -- I liked Harry again, the rest of the characters were just awesome, and the romance was either hilarious (Won-Won and Lavender) or bearable (Harry and Ginny) but at least this time not painful to think about. And they did such a great job with Malfoy's character -- while in the book I only really felt sympathetic toward him during the bathroom scene and at the end, in the movie I felt bad throughout the entire movie.Â
But then the movie had problems too -- it felt like everything was too quick, especially the opening and ending. Tom was too obviously evil -- I prefer the old actor from movie two. I still don't like Dumbledore's actor, although he was very Dumbledore-y when he was talking to Malfoy. And then there is other minor stuff, but most of it is from the book in the first place...
However, the scene with the Inferi was awesome, and I loved the scene when Harry touches the ring and Dumbledore looks suspicious/worried because it hints at what will happen. And the details they've put into everything was great.
So I'd say I like movie six a lot more than I like book six.
Compared to the other movies, however, I'm not sure if I like this one or movie five the best. I know after them I like CoS, then PS, then PoA, and then finally GoF -- which is really odd because GoF is my favorite book of the series and HBP was my second-least favorite.
But I know I am not looking forward to DH. I hate that book. Hate it, hate it, hate it, and I cannot see how they could make it good. :evil:
haha. nice rant/review Though I don't know what your abbreviated titles refer to PS Philosopher's Stone? Goblet of Fire that's all I can get without cheatingJandurin
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PS = Philosopher's Stone/Sorcerer's Stone
CoS = Chamber of Secrets
PoA = Prisoner of Azkaban
GoF = Goblet of Fire
OotP = Order of the Phoenix
HBP = Half-Blood Prince
DH = Deathly Hallows
:PÂ
The movies are okay, they mostly suffer from having to edit out so much stuff just to make it not have too much length.
If I had to rank the movies it'd go
5 > 1 > 3 > 2 > 4
I'll probably go see half Blood Prince this weekend (though TBH, it wasn't that big on the book when I read it.)
5th is definitely the best out of the lot (disregarding 6th) imo and my memory fails me for how good the other films were. :PThe movies are okay, they mostly suffer from having to edit out so much stuff just to make it not have too much length.
If I had to rank the movies it'd go
5 > 1 > 3 > 2 > 4
I'll probably go see half Blood Prince this weekend (though TBH, it wasn't that big on the book when I read it.)
Lionheart08
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