Edge-Online: Next Xbox Will Require Always-On Internet, No Used Games.

Always online, no second-hand games. Who in their right minds would buy something so draconian?

I know some of you don't buy used games, but what about sharing them with your family and friends? Forget about it. They're cramming Kinect down everyone's throat this time too. Don't have a network system in place for your consoles, then you're screwed.

Does this mean Sony will do this crap too?

Always online, no second-hand games. Who in their right minds would buy something so draconian?

I know some of you don't buy used games, but what about sharing them with your family and friends? Forget about it. They're cramming Kinect down everyone's throat this time too. Don't have a network system in place for your consoles, then you're screwed.

Does this mean Sony will do this crap too?

Bigboi500

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Always online, no second-hand games. Who in their right minds would buy something so draconian?

 

I know some of you don't buy used games, but what about sharing them with your family and friends? Forget about it. They're cramming Kinect down everyone's throat this time too. Don't have a network system in place for your consoles, then you're screwed.

 

Does this mean Sony will do this crap too?

Justforvisit

i'm sick of kinect.

Always online, no second-hand games. Who in their right minds would buy something so draconian?

I know some of you don't buy used games, but what about sharing them with your family and friends? Forget about it. They're cramming Kinect down everyone's throat this time too. Don't have a network system in place for your consoles, then you're screwed.

Does this mean Sony will do this crap too?

Bigboi500

The article you are quoting contradicts your claim about the Kinect.

A new iteration of Xbox Live will be an integral part of Microsofts next console, while improved Kinect hardware will also ship alongside the unit.

*Shrugs* I know a lot of people hate the idea of 'no used games' but we'll see how big a deal it is. Heck, the console market (the slowest growing one in terms of gaming) is the only game market where used games are a factor If cost savings (read: digital discounts) are partially passed on and there are aggressive pricecuts and lots of sales (think Steam) then digital could benefit consumers as well as developers.

As I've said many times before, I don't think much of how hard Gamestop works to screw developers out of a cut. When I picked up Ni No Kuni the other week, there was a kid ahead of me buying an X360 and a couple games. He was buying the console new and he wanted the games new and his father was willing to pay, but the employee first tried to talk the father out of it, and when that failed, browbeat the kid for a couple minutes ('If you don't like it, you can't return it new, but you can return it used! You played it at a friends house, but you might get bored quicker than you think) until the kid agreed to buy used.

i'm sick of kinect.

sukraj

Why? I don't think much of Kinect, but looking at X360 games, while a hilarious number of them are Kinect enabled (MS has clearly been writing checks), none of the games worth playing require it or penalize you for not having it.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Always online, no second-hand games. Who in their right minds would buy something so draconian?

 

I know some of you don't buy used games, but what about sharing them with your family and friends? Forget about it. They're cramming Kinect down everyone's throat this time too. Don't have a network system in place for your consoles, then you're screwed.

 

Does this mean Sony will do this crap too?

CarnageHeart

The article you are quoting contradicts your claim about the Kinect.

A new iteration of Xbox Live will be an integral part of Microsofts next console, while improved Kinect hardware will also ship alongside the unit.

*Shrugs* I know a lot of people hate the idea of 'no used games' but we'll see how big a deal it is. Heck, the console market (the slowest growing one in terms of gaming) is the only game market where used games are a factor If cost savings (read: digital discounts) are partially passed on and there are aggressive pricecuts and lots of sales (think Steam) then digital could benefit consumers as well as developers.

As I've said many times before, I don't think much of how hard Gamestop works to screw developers out of a cut. When I picked up Ni No Kuni the other week, there was a kid ahead of me buying an X360 and a couple games. He was buying the console new and he wanted the games new and his father was willing to pay, but the employee first tried to talk the father out of it, and when that failed, browbeat the kid for a couple minutes ('If you don't like it, you can't return it new, but you can return it used! You played it at a friends house, but you might get bored quicker than you think) until the kid agreed to buy used.

As far as them removing used games from the picture, I just worry about things like rare (not the developer) games that aren't downloadable, a few years later. Also not being able to share them with family and friends is awful, especially if you own more than one of the same system.

And then my internet isn't 100% reliable, and I doubt most peoples' isn't either.

This is just a terrible mistake by Microsoft if these things turn out to be true, and it's like almost everyone saw this coming. It just bothers me because I know Sony will probably follow this same direction now. If they do, I won't be buying either one of them, ever.

[QUOTE="sukraj"]

i'm sick of kinect.

CarnageHeart

Why? I don't think much of Kinect, but looking at X360 games, while a hilarious number of them are Kinect enabled (MS has clearly been writing checks), none of the games worth playing require it or penalize you for not having it.

WOW! This has everything I don't want! Anti-used and constant internet?! Screw you! Assuming ths rumour is true I will never buy this console and its a shame because I was looking forward to playing Halo 5. Some things are more importent then video games and I won't stand for this kind of c*ap.

Hopefully Sony doesn't try any of this, i'm kind of looking forward to Feb 20th but if they pull any of these then its going to be Nintendo only for me.

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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Always online, no second-hand games. Who in their right minds would buy something so draconian?

I know some of you don't buy used games, but what about sharing them with your family and friends? Forget about it. They're cramming Kinect down everyone's throat this time too. Don't have a network system in place for your consoles, then you're screwed.

Does this mean Sony will do this crap too?

Bigboi500

The article you are quoting contradicts your claim about the Kinect.

A new iteration of Xbox Live will be an integral part of Microsofts next console, while improved Kinect hardware will also ship alongside the unit.

*Shrugs* I know a lot of people hate the idea of 'no used games' but we'll see how big a deal it is. Heck, the console market (the slowest growing one in terms of gaming) is the only game market where used games are a factor If cost savings (read: digital discounts) are partially passed on and there are aggressive pricecuts and lots of sales (think Steam) then digital could benefit consumers as well as developers.

As I've said many times before, I don't think much of how hard Gamestop works to screw developers out of a cut. When I picked up Ni No Kuni the other week, there was a kid ahead of me buying an X360 and a couple games. He was buying the console new and he wanted the games new and his father was willing to pay, but the employee first tried to talk the father out of it, and when that failed, browbeat the kid for a couple minutes ('If you don't like it, you can't return it new, but you can return it used! You played it at a friends house, but you might get bored quicker than you think) until the kid agreed to buy used.

As far as them removing used games from the picture, I just worry about things like rare (not the developer) games that aren't downloadable, a few years later. Also not being able to share them with family and friends is awful, especially if you own more than one of the same system.

And then my internet isn't 100% reliable, and I doubt most peoples' isn't either.

This is just a terrible mistake by Microsoft if these things turn out to be true, and it's like almost everyone saw this coming. It just bothers me because I know Sony will probably follow this same direction now. If they do, I won't be buying either one of them, ever.

'Ship alongside' means it will ship separately but at the same time. No doubt Kinect will pop up in more games, but the likes of Elder Scrolls won't require it.

I don't think the always on internet think will happen because no one's internet is 100% reliable.

Take it to system wars, cowboy.

ZombieKiller7

lol at the thread title. You could've easily included the Edge article title in the subject and people would've taken you more seriously. It seems you just dont get it, you cant be controversial just for the sake of being controversial. Heopfully, a mod can edit the title because if true, this news is going to have massive repcrussions in this industry.

The used game model is huge because it allows people who cant afford to buy $60 games every week a way to fund their hobby. ANYONE, be it Microsoft or Sony will be shooting themselves in the foot if they go ahead with always online DRM. Fewer game sales = more failed studios. More failed Studios = Fewer games. It will kill console gaming. Gamestop just wouldn't let MS get away with it. I hope to god they dont.

If Microsoft creates a digital download service that works more like Steam the next Xbox has a ton of potential. "No used games" seems like a bad thing initially, but just look at the PC and Steam. The constant sales and massive discounts is too good to be true sometimes and if Microsoft could incorporate a similar service on a console it would be massively popular.

lol at the thread title. You could've easily included the Edge article title in the subject and people would've taken you more seriously. It seems you just dont get it, you cant be controversial just for the sake of being controversial. Heopfully, a mod can edit the title because if true, this news is going to have massive repcrussions in this industry.

The used game model is huge because it allows people who cant afford to buy $60 games every week a way to fund their hobby. ANYONE, be it Microsoft or Sony will be shooting themselves in the foot if they go ahead with always online DRM. Fewer game sales = more failed studios. More failed Studios = Fewer games. It will kill console gaming. Gamestop just wouldn't let MS get away with it. I hope to god they dont.

S0lidSnake

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

lol at the thread title. You could've easily included the Edge article title in the subject and people would've taken you more seriously. It seems you just dont get it, you cant be controversial just for the sake of being controversial. Heopfully, a mod can edit the title because if true, this news is going to have massive repcrussions in this industry.

The used game model is huge because it allows people who cant afford to buy $60 games every week a way to fund their hobby. ANYONE, be it Microsoft or Sony will be shooting themselves in the foot if they go ahead with always online DRM. Fewer game sales = more failed studios. More failed Studios = Fewer games. It will kill console gaming. Gamestop just wouldn't let MS get away with it. I hope to god they dont.

Bigboi500

You keep getting that thread title wrong. It was Wii U FOR ME = Fail. Big difference. And yes, it could've been a blog post but so what? He's been a regular here, one of us for years, and I am interested in hearing his opinion on a console. I dont go to blogs, most of us dont. This is like our own little community and if that means we get to make blog like posts at times to generate some discussion then so be it.

Thanks for changing the title though.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

lol at the thread title. You could've easily included the Edge article title in the subject and people would've taken you more seriously. It seems you just dont get it, you cant be controversial just for the sake of being controversial. Heopfully, a mod can edit the title because if true, this news is going to have massive repcrussions in this industry.

The used game model is huge because it allows people who cant afford to buy $60 games every week a way to fund their hobby. ANYONE, be it Microsoft or Sony will be shooting themselves in the foot if they go ahead with always online DRM. Fewer game sales = more failed studios. More failed Studios = Fewer games. It will kill console gaming. Gamestop just wouldn't let MS get away with it. I hope to god they dont.

S0lidSnake

You keep getting that thread title wrong. It was Wii U FOR ME = Fail. Big difference. And yes, it could've been a blog post but so what? He's been a regular here, one of us for years, and I am interested in hearing his opinion on a console. I dont go to blogs, most of us dont. This is like our own little community and if that means we get to make blog like posts at times to generate some discussion then so be it.

Thanks for changing the title though.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Always online, no second-hand games. Who in their right minds would buy something so draconian?

I know some of you don't buy used games, but what about sharing them with your family and friends? Forget about it. They're cramming Kinect down everyone's throat this time too. Don't have a network system in place for your consoles, then you're screwed.

Does this mean Sony will do this crap too?

Justforvisit

I don't purchase used games and personally, I think the used market has gotten a tad out of hand, which meant at some point, something like this might happen.

And really, where is the alternative? PC gaming already has this type of constriction tethered to most software and if this is true, it seems likely Sony would follow suit.

So what? I'm going to use the Wii U as my only gaming machine?

I might as well not game at all if that is the proposed solution.

Also, people need to remember that the digital distribution model is essentially the future. My hope is that there will be price incentives to download games directly, making this issue moot.

I don't purchase used games and personally, I think the used market has gotten a tad out of hand, which meant at some point, something like this might happen.

And really, where is the alternative? PC gaming already has this type of constriction tethered to most software and if this is true, it seems likely Sony would follow suit.

So what? I'm going to use the Wii U as my only gaming machine?

I might as well not game at all if that is the proposed solution.

Also, people need to remember that the digital distribution model is essentially the future. My hope is that there will be price incentives to download games directly, making this issue moot.

Grammaton-Cleric

I don't purchase used games and personally, I think the used market has gotten a tad out of hand, which meant at some point, something like this might happen.

And really, where is the alternative? PC gaming already has this type of constriction tethered to most software and if this is true, it seems likely Sony would follow suit.

So what? I'm going to use the Wii U as my only gaming machine?

I might as well not game at all if that is the proposed solution.

Also, people need to remember that the digital distribution model is essentially the future. My hope is that there will be price incentives to download games directly, making this issue moot.

Grammaton-Cleric

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

I don't purchase used games and personally, I think the used market has gotten a tad out of hand, which meant at some point, something like this might happen.

And really, where is the alternative? PC gaming already has this type of constriction tethered to most software and if this is true, it seems likely Sony would follow suit.

So what? I'm going to use the Wii U as my only gaming machine?

I might as well not game at all if that is the proposed solution.

Also, people need to remember that the digital distribution model is essentially the future. My hope is that there will be price incentives to download games directly, making this issue moot.

Bigboi500

So what if people cease buying used software?

Do you not realize that developers and publishers currently see ZERO revenue from used game sales?

The only viable argument for used game sales is that they can subsidize the purchase of new games. Unfortunately, none of the major retailers who traffic in used game sales have ever offered up data to demonstrate just how much and how often used gaming contributes to new software purchases.

The used-game part I can't see flying. It may be to prevent somehting else. The always on seems 50/50. Personally, it would deter me. Regardless, not looking like I'll get a nextbox.

If true then this is just stupid. Now I know why I am not interested in "next gen" consoles. Just give me a PS3 Slim and I'll keep playing my 360. Plus I still have a Back-log of X360 games to play anyway...

From a strictly consumer standpoint, no used games is a bad thing all around. There's much more to it than just possibly blowing $60 on a game you end up not liking and being stuck with it. It means no more renting video games from the local video store, Redbox, or Gamefly. It means no more borrowing a copy of a game from a friend. It means no more taking your games over to a friend's house to show off or host a multiplayer session without lugging your own system over. Quite frankly, I don't see how anyone who doesn't own shares in a company could be okay with giving up control over how they choose to play the games they payed for with their own money.

If Microsoft creates a digital download service that works more like Steam the next Xbox has a ton of potential. "No used games" seems like a bad thing initially, but just look at the PC and Steam. The constant sales and massive discounts is too good to be true sometimes and if Microsoft could incorporate a similar service on a console it would be massively popular.

IndianaPwns39

If you think Microsoft is going to offer sales on the level of Steam you're kidding yourself. This is the company that thinks a 2% discount is a good benefit. 

If Microsoft creates a digital download service that works more like Steam the next Xbox has a ton of potential. "No used games" seems like a bad thing initially, but just look at the PC and Steam. The constant sales and massive discounts is too good to be true sometimes and if Microsoft could incorporate a similar service on a console it would be massively popular.

IndianaPwns39

Without the sales , it seem that DD games's cost tend to stay higher longer.

And the Online-Only thing is total BS.

There are still plenty of people (and regions) that do not enjoy full or reliable broadband access and no company, especially MS, is going to shut out that demographic entirely.

The next XB will most certainly be Online-centric but the notion that you can't play games at all without an internet connection is fiction.

Ahahaaahaaaaa!

Say goodbye, Microsoft. There are so many reasons that this will kill a console, starting with inter-family loaning of games and rental services like Gamefly that have nothing to do with the used game market.

What an absolute load of shlt. So now if I am able to get around buying a system from a manufacturer who has a horrendous track record of reliability and very few viable IPs that I'm interested in, I can't rent any of the bullshlt games that are released to see if I am interested in paying the too-high price of $60? Nor can I loan ones I have purchased to family members?

Yeah, FVCK YOU.

A lot of people save a TON of money through buying used. Places like Amazon and Gamefly frequently offer drastic reductions on used games that are in excellent condition, and sometimes very rare and only attainable that way. I'm talking $10, $20 and sometimes as much as $30-$40 dollars off original retail prices. If that stops then a lot of people are going to buy a lot less software because of this. Bigboi500

Sucks. And I mean this really sucks.

I try my hardest to buy all my games new, even after waiting for the price to drop to $40 or $50. But for the niche games I like, the ones who only get limited copies printed for them and then are extrememly hard to find after a few months, its just not always possible to do that. Not only for that, but older games too. Am I going to be denied great games because I don't have $60 to drop on every single game I want at launch? I can see this is going to backfire big time if they do decide to block used games.

But one important thing I haven't seen anyone mention yet is: Isn't this all just speculation at this point? I mean, look at the language used in the article. "These sources" (who are these people? for all I know it could be some nobody spreading rumors), "...alleged Xbox 720 details," "Microsoft did not comment on this report."

I don't think I'll start to get really mad until an official announcement is made that says next gen consoles will block used games. IF that even comes. I'm crossing my fingers that it won't.

Always online and no used games will kill them.

They are shooting themselves in the foot.

No second hand sales = No game trades

No game trades = less money to spend on games

Less money to spend on games = Less games being bought day one

Less games being bought day one = Lots of developers out of work

Yes, MS and Sony are going to purposefully cut off millions upon millions of potential customers for completely arbitrary reasons, because they hate money, obviously. Come on, guys... use some common sense. We've done this dance before.SulIy

Agreed.

These same exact rumors were floating around when the PS3 and XB360 were still unannounced so this is nothing new. And if memory serves, it was actually Sony that had some manner of patent or technology regarding software being tethered to a single console.

People should just sit back and wait until the full reveal is made. I have a feeling much of this is entirely untrue but if MS wants to play it this way then that is their prerogative; I have no problem with Sony in the lead of this marketplace once again.

Wasn't there similar rumors regarding the next Playstation system doing the same thing, trying to limit or completely remove second hand game sales? I always prefer to buy my games new, but I can't say I'd like to see used games go away completely, not to mention rentals going away too. It's going to be an interesting year, regardless.

Blocking used games is simple stupid. Claiming that you won't be affected by the block because you don't by used games is equally silly. Whether someone agrees with the current state of the used game market or not blocking using games would be detrimental to any company that implements it. Hardware failure can void your entire library with some of the suggested anti used games methods. Loaning a game to friend would now be impossible. And this odd right of developers to make additional money from reselling games is nothing short of absurd. Let greed tank the industry :D.

People who bought games that had an Online Pass quite literally asked for this to happen and have no right to complain. Gamers spent this entire generation explicitly telling companies to keep nickel-and-diming them and then act surprised when the companies do just that.famicommander

Oddly enough, I agree with the use of online pass. The purchase of the original game comes with the service. Used games however need to pay for this additional service. The game can be enjoyed without the service charge.

People who bought games that had an Online Pass quite literally asked for this to happen and have no right to complain. Gamers spent this entire generation explicitly telling companies to keep nickel-and-diming them and then act surprised when the companies do just that.famicommander

[QUOTE="SulIy"]Yes, MS and Sony are going to purposefully cut off millions upon millions of potential customers for completely arbitrary reasons, because they hate money, obviously. Come on, guys... use some common sense. We've done this dance before.LongZhiZi

This. The fact that they still charge for multiplayer gaming says more than enough about their arrogance. 

Ahahaaahaaaaa!

Say goodbye, Microsoft. There are so many reasons that this will kill a console, starting with inter-family loaning of games and rental services like Gamefly that have nothing to do with the used game market.

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