Am I the only one who doesn't like MGS 4? or the series?

Here I am pasting a reveiw of what I thought of the so called "best" game of all time.I just wanna see if there are any people who actually doesn't like it like me.

I have to admit I never liked the MGS series in the past, they seemed too stale. But a few weeks ago I went ahead and got MGS 4.


The Good:
Great collection of weapons and gadgets.
Story is heavy sided but that's what I liked about it at first.
Very Cool voice for Snake.
Awesome suit.
Any mission is approachable how you plan it out, and most of them has an effect even if it is small, on the outcome.
Cool enemy concepts.
Nice dark humor.

The Bad
Stealth mechanics are non-existent. They could have added lots of cool things for stealth.
Controls are very very very awkward.
After playing so many hours I still don't know how to get psyche or what ever its called or how it effects game play.
I refuse to read a whole book to play a game.
NO TROPHIES
The plot is muddled with holes as it tries to cover a lot of things (which are probably known by hardcore fans, but not some one like me who hasn't played the last ones.). There are lots of things they don't explain for a new gamer. Or maybe I fell asleep during one of the many 30 mins long cut scenes in the game. I mean I have nothing against cut scenes but so many for so long gets a little mundane after a while, if you are like me who doesn't know about the past stories.
About 55% of the game time are cut scenes.
Character movement is very stiff, not something you would expect from a stealth veteran. They mention Ninja in the game but Snake's speed doesn't even match that of a snake.


Overall I just don't like the feel of the game, something seems a miss. the movement is a b*tch, music not bad. gameplay is crap. You can buy 10 rocket launchers and blow through everything, without even moving from your spot.I just dont get it how can soo many people like this?

MGS4 was alright. The other games in the series were better though, with MGS3 being the pinnacle of the MGS series (on consoles at least).

"NO TROPHIES" in all caps. Really? Is it that big a deal? Anyway, plenty of people dislike MGS4 and the series. I like it though. The earlier games were a lot better.

Here I am pasting a reveiw of what I thought of the so called "best" game of all time.I just wanna see if there are any people who actually doesn't like it like me.

I have to admit I never liked the MGS series in the past, they seemed too stale. But a few weeks ago I went ahead and got MGS 4.


The Good:
Great collection of weapons and gadgets.
Story is heavy sided but that's what I liked about it at first.
Very Cool voice for Snake.
Awesome suit.
Any mission is approachable how you plan it out, and most of them has an effect even if it is small, on the outcome.
Cool enemy concepts.
Nice dark humor.

The Bad
Stealth mechanics are non-existent. They could have added lots of cool things for stealth.
Controls are very very very awkward.
After playing so many hours I still don't know how to get psyche or what ever its called or how it effects game play.
I refuse to read a whole book to play a game.
NO TROPHIES
The plot is muddled with holes as it tries to cover a lot of things (which are probably known by hardcore fans, but not some one like me who hasn't played the last ones.). There are lots of things they don't explain for a new gamer. Or maybe I fell asleep during one of the many 30 mins long cut scenes in the game. I mean I have nothing against cut scenes but so many for so long gets a little mundane after a while, if you are like me who doesn't know about the past stories.
About 55% of the game time are cut scenes.
Character movement is very stiff, not something you would expect from a stealth veteran. They mention Ninja in the game but Snake's speed doesn't even match that of a snake.


Overall I just don't like the feel of the game, something seems a miss. the movement is a b*tch, music not bad. gameplay is crap. You can buy 10 rocket launchers and blow through everything, without even moving from your spot.I just dont get it how can soo many people like this?

megadeth1984

[QUOTE="megadeth1984"]

Here I am pasting a reveiw of what I thought of the so called "best" game of all time.I just wanna see if there are any people who actually doesn't like it like me.

I have to admit I never liked the MGS series in the past, they seemed too stale. But a few weeks ago I went ahead and got MGS 4.


The Good:
Great collection of weapons and gadgets.
Story is heavy sided but that's what I liked about it at first.
Very Cool voice for Snake.
Awesome suit.
Any mission is approachable how you plan it out, and most of them has an effect even if it is small, on the outcome.
Cool enemy concepts.
Nice dark humor.

The Bad
Stealth mechanics are non-existent. They could have added lots of cool things for stealth.
Controls are very very very awkward.
After playing so many hours I still don't know how to get psyche or what ever its called or how it effects game play.
I refuse to read a whole book to play a game.
NO TROPHIES
The plot is muddled with holes as it tries to cover a lot of things (which are probably known by hardcore fans, but not some one like me who hasn't played the last ones.). There are lots of things they don't explain for a new gamer. Or maybe I fell asleep during one of the many 30 mins long cut scenes in the game. I mean I have nothing against cut scenes but so many for so long gets a little mundane after a while, if you are like me who doesn't know about the past stories.
About 55% of the game time are cut scenes.
Character movement is very stiff, not something you would expect from a stealth veteran. They mention Ninja in the game but Snake's speed doesn't even match that of a snake.


Overall I just don't like the feel of the game, something seems a miss. the movement is a b*tch, music not bad. gameplay is crap. You can buy 10 rocket launchers and blow through everything, without even moving from your spot.I just dont get it how can soo many people like this?

magnusm1

No man I disagree stealth isn't that good its comical, splinter cell's stealth was good, this one felt like some Japanese mesh up. The trophy bit I added in bold is because some idiot once said that he got the platinium for the game. 55% is an exaggeration but you have to admit most of the cutscenes were dragged on beyond the need. I love cutscenes as well when it leads to a point or if it doesn't then if it ends before it becomes annoying. Old snake doesn't have to be fast atleast could be smooth his movements feel very constricted and the first time i was playing when I started to walk him lol he looks like he is constipated. I would agree some gameplay elements are great definitely not all. Yes you can buy unlimited rocket launchers from the inventory as long as you have enough purchase points. That is my question what is the point of it when you can purchase ammo at will let alone rpg ammo. Also I forgot to add except for a few levels most of them are poorly designed. I don't know how you guys like it soo much.

"NO TROPHIES" in all caps. Really? Is it that big a deal? Anyway, plenty of people dislike MGS4 and the series. I like it though. The earlier games were a lot better.

tryagainlater

The trophy bit I added in bold is because some idiot once said that he got the platinium for the game. Hence to clear it up for everyone. Really I thought most people like MGS4 its like a trend or something.

MGS4 was alright. The other games in the series were better though, with MGS3 being the pinnacle of the MGS series (on consoles at least).

dommeus

[QUOTE="dommeus"]

MGS4 was alright. The other games in the series were better though, with MGS3 being the pinnacle of the MGS series (on consoles at least).

HellsAngel2c

Hmm then I think I will give it a try MGS3 it was on PS2 right?

Am I the only one who doesn't like MGS 4? or the series?megadeth1984

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[QUOTE="megadeth1984"]Am I the only one who doesn't like MGS 4? or the series?Black_Knight_00

lol good one.

I tried MGS3 before. It's the only one I've played. I wasn't really into it. I don't know, maybe it's just too story-based for my liking.TAMKFan

When I think of MGS, I think of a good series that did what it needed to do. Unfortunately, most of the time, it felt like I was watching a movie, especially those long cutscenes. I'm sitting here, thinking "I'm supposed to be playing a videogame, not watch a f****** movie!" I never played through MGS4, but I've always heard it's the best one in the series. Either that or game critics always hype the games too much just because it has the name Metal Gear on it.

I've never been much of a fan. When everyone I knew was playing the original MGS, I was playing Syphon Filter. I just never latched on to the series. Nothing wrong with it though. It just isn't my cup of tea.

I played MGS 3 Snake Eater. It had its good points, like a pretty long campaign with lots of variety. A few of the boss battles were cool. It had more than its share of bad points, like the ludicrously long cutscenes, the story which was like a 9th grader tried to write a Tom Clancy novel, crappy cover mechanic that left you flopping around like a fish out of water whenever you got too close to a wall, and the camera was just plain screwy.

Then I played MGS2 and thought that was just rubbish. No variety at all to the gemeplay, the cutscenes were even longer and more idiotic, there was some idiot calling me on the phone and wanting to talk about our relationship when I was busy trying to save the world. The gameplay was poorly designed, uninteresting, and the whole game was just awful. I actually had to stop playing on several occasions because I was too busy laughing at the idiocy of the whole thing. It was like an Ewe Boll movie in that regard.

Oddly enough I haven't played MGS4, and have absolutely no intention of ever playing it.

http://thesnakesoup.org/wiki/images/a/a3/KojimaAngry.JPG chut up if u dont rike mgs4 teh selies is suppose to end in mgs2 but u peopre keep sending death thleats and konami say hideo we need more yen yen

I loved the first one but the rest where just trash imo.Duckyindiana

I loved the first one. I still have my original black label copy. But the series lost me with MGS2 and I never recovered. The characters were too wacky and the storytelling sty|e became too wierd for my taste. I can appreciate why people love the franchise, but I just grew out of it.

• It is a stealth game, but it's more of an action game. There is somewhat of a focus to it, but I wouldn't say it's a must have. You play the way you want, you can go all action, but it's best to hide at times.
• How are the controls akward? Sure it doesn't play like most other games out there, It's not perfect, but they aren't bad ether.
• What do you mean, read a book to play the game?
• No trophies, has nothing to do with a games quality.
• Basically, it's the 4th entry into the franchise. Did you honestly expect to know everything if you haven't played the first 3? It's like saying "well I watched the godfather 3, and it sucks because I didn't understand it" Of course you didn't, you didn't watch the first 2 movies.
• Half of the game is cut-scenes, and? Not every game needs to be an action game.
• To me it seems like your problem is simple: Your not into this type of game. Period. Does it mean the game doesn't deserve to be called "one of the greatest games of all time". No. You just aren't into this type of game, and I don't understand why you labeled critisim against the plot, knowing that you didn't play the previews games in the franchise.

• It is a stealth game, but it's more of an action game. There is somewhat of a focus to it, but I wouldn't say it's a must have. You play the way you want, you can go all action, but it's best to hide at times.
• How are the controls akward? Sure it doesn't play like most other games out there, It's not perfect, but they aren't bad ether.
• What do you mean, read a book to play the game?
• No trophies, has nothing to do with a games quality.
• Basically, it's the 4th entry into the franchise. Did you honestly expect to know everything if you haven't played the first 3? It's like saying "well I watched the godfather 3, and it sucks because I didn't understand it" Of course you didn't, you didn't watch the first 2 movies.
• Half of the game is cut-scenes, and? Not every game needs to be an action game.
• To me it seems like your problem is simple: Your not into this type of game. Period. Does it mean the game doesn't deserve to be called "one of the greatest games of all time". No. You just aren't into this type of game, and I don't understand why you labeled critisim against the plot, knowing that you didn't play the previews games in the franchise.

PalmPixi

I love the MGS series but MGS 4 wasn't the best, though sneaking through two factions battling each other was pretty cool.

In my opinion it goes something like this, MGS 3, MGS 4, MGS 1, MGS 2.

I love the series, but MGS4 was a huge disappointment, imo. It was the only MGS game I didn't enjoy. MGS4 didn't compel you to conserve ammo or search for weapons; you can buy ammo and weapons whenever you wanted, even during a boss fight. The boss fights weren't good aside from maybe one or two; they felt like bad copies of the other boss fights in the series. There wasn't much variety in the missions compared to other games. Another thing that bothered me was the cutscene to gameplay ratio. While the series is known for being cutscene-heavy, MGS4 took it to the next level; it was 9 hours of cutscenes versus 4-5 hours of gameplay, and it didn't help that the story wasn't any good, imo.

The story was poorly written, poorly paced, relied heavenly on plot devices, and never got its message across properly. Also, the characters were poorly developed especially the B&B Corps. You knew nothing about them prior to fighting them, and they didn't play a vital role in the story unlike Foxhound and Dead Cell. After defeating them, Drebin will call you, telling you their backstories through codec. It screamed lazy writing for me. I consider MGS1 & 3 to be the best in the series (solid story + gameplay). MGS2 had excellent gameplay, but the story was so-so.

you won't enjoy MGS4 if you havent played the rest of the series since half game is about the story, and you will be lost if you don't know the previous ones, simple as that, in terms of which one is better it goes MGS3 > MGS1 > MGS4 > MGS 2

When I think of MGS, I think of a good series that did what it needed to do. Unfortunately, most of the time, it felt like I was watching a movie, especially those long cutscenes. I'm sitting here, thinking "I'm supposed to be playing a videogame, not watch a f****** movie!" I never played through MGS4, but I've always heard it's the best one in the series. Either that or game critics always hype the games too much just because it has the name Metal Gear on it.

Metamania

"game critics always hype the games too much just because it has the name Metal Gear on it."exactly what i think man. I mean 10 for a game like this? really? God of War 1,2 and 3 were all better atleast to me by a long shot and even they didn't get a 10, also uncharted 1 + 2, Mafia 1, starcraft 2, modern warfare 1, red dead redemption and a lot more i think all these games deserved a 10 much much much more then mgs4 ever did. And on top of that it wasn't even voted the game of the year, yet the most highest rated, something is weird.

• It is a stealth game, but it's more of an action game. There is somewhat of a focus to it, but I wouldn't say it's a must have. You play the way you want, you can go all action, but it's best to hide at times.
• How are the controls akward? Sure it doesn't play like most other games out there, It's not perfect, but they aren't bad ether.
• What do you mean, read a book to play the game?
• No trophies, has nothing to do with a games quality.
• Basically, it's the 4th entry into the franchise. Did you honestly expect to know everything if you haven't played the first 3? It's like saying "well I watched the godfather 3, and it sucks because I didn't understand it" Of course you didn't, you didn't watch the first 2 movies.
• Half of the game is cut-scenes, and? Not every game needs to be an action game.
• To me it seems like your problem is simple: Your not into this type of game. Period. Does it mean the game doesn't deserve to be called "one of the greatest games of all time". No. You just aren't into this type of game, and I don't understand why you labeled critisim against the plot, knowing that you didn't play the previews games in the franchise.

PalmPixi

1. I have played hundreds of games if not a thousand and by no-way does MGS4 stand for more of an action game when all the equipment and gadgets and levels are designed for stealth. I have played almost untill the end and the stealth elements of the game are very poor considering the fact that its a stealth oriented game, like the level where you have to go through this town undetected I was enjoying it at first, reminded me of Theif, but it could have been done a lot better it had so much potential yet they just threw it in the disc with minimum effort you tell me wouldn't it be cool if he could go under the car and do enemy takedowns from there quietly? its just one I mentioned, they could have added a thousand more, but just 4 -5 would have been awesome.

Also the way he walks doesn't help the game, feels very comical and awkward yet tries to be serious and just doesn't go together for me. Its something like Terminator and Kindergarten mixed together in a Japanese guy's head, I have nothing against it but just not my taste, when I want a burger I have a burger not mix it with cake.

2. Controls are very stiff they are not as userfriendly as most other games comparatively Splinter Cell (close genre and available in console).

3. There was a whole ebook available at the time I got the game for people like me who hasn't played the first ones, in it, it had the story from the rest of the series. They could have just made a video like Dead Space 2 to catch you up to the story, and leaving out the details of some Japanese chick's bouncing melons.

4. Agree, but again I mentioned No Trophies because I was told by someone that this game is absolutely mind blowing and that he had gotten the platinum for it.

5. No I did't expect to know everything from the first three , but I did expect to be entertained by this story alone, so that it is intriguing enough that I will do some research and find out more about the characters and the previous games. It lacked a lot of intrigue, take for example God of War 3 people who didn't even know 1 and 2 wanted to play them after playing three cause it had intrigue and its not because its and action game but because its just an amazing experience.

6. I didn't say that it had to be an action game I said it should have decided a few things before turning into a game: a. Stealth or Action, b. Comedy or Serious, c.movie or game, d. what is important and what is not for most of the game it just didn't seem like it knew what it wanted to be. They give you 007 gadgets but doesn't provide much ease or ways of using them. The best thing about the game the handycam robot (forgot the name) for the view not for the lame weapon (even a dart would have been better) and the nano suit (although could have done very well without showing his ***crack).

7. No, the problem is I can't put it into a particular type or even types, not because its special or anything but because I don't think MGS4 even knows what it is it seems characterless yet the Media hyped it to God status. Again previous games don't matter if the one in question can hold its own.

Lastly I love a few Japanese movies but I certainly don't wanna play a Japanese Drama.

I love the series, but MGS4 was a huge disappointment, imo. It was the only MGS game I didn't enjoy. MGS4 didn't compel you to conserve ammo or search for weapons; you can buy ammo and weapons whenever you wanted, even during a boss fight. The boss fights weren't good aside from maybe one or two; they felt like bad copies of the other boss fights in the series. There wasn't much variety in the missions compared to other games. Another thing that bothered me was the cutscene to gameplay ratio. While the series is known for being cutscene-heavy, MGS4 took it to the next level; it was 9 hours of cutscenes versus 4-5 hours of gameplay, and it didn't help that the story wasn't any good, imo.

The story was poorly written, poorly paced, relied heavenly on plot devices, and never got its message across properly. Also, the characters were poorly developed especially the B&B Corps. You knew nothing about them prior to fighting them, and they didn't play a vital role in the story unlike Foxhound and Dead Cell. After defeating them, Drebin will call you, telling you their backstories through codec. It screamed lazy writing for me. I consider MGS1 & 3 to be the best in the series (solid story + gameplay). MGS2 had excellent gameplay, but the story was so-so.

DJChuy

completely agree about MGS4 don't know about the rest but someone has told me to try out MGS3 and I think I will.

I was never a hug fan of the series, but I did enjoy watching other peolpe play the game. But after trying to play 4, I just gave up after a few hours because I felt like it wasn't really what I am into. But I can see why people do like the game series, just not for me. :?

[QUOTE="DJChuy"]

I love the series, but MGS4 was a huge disappointment, imo. It was the only MGS game I didn't enjoy. MGS4 didn't compel you to conserve ammo or search for weapons; you can buy ammo and weapons whenever you wanted, even during a boss fight. The boss fights weren't good aside from maybe one or two; they felt like bad copies of the other boss fights in the series. There wasn't much variety in the missions compared to other games. Another thing that bothered me was the cutscene to gameplay ratio. While the series is known for being cutscene-heavy, MGS4 took it to the next level; it was 9 hours of cutscenes versus 4-5 hours of gameplay, and it didn't help that the story wasn't any good, imo.

The story was poorly written, poorly paced, relied heavenly on plot devices, and never got its message across properly. Also, the characters were poorly developed especially the B&B Corps. You knew nothing about them prior to fighting them, and they didn't play a vital role in the story unlike Foxhound and Dead Cell. After defeating them, Drebin will call you, telling you their backstories through codec. It screamed lazy writing for me. I consider MGS1 & 3 to be the best in the series (solid story + gameplay). MGS2 had excellent gameplay, but the story was so-so.

megadeth1984

completely agree about MGS4 don't know about the rest but someone has told me to try out MGS3 and I think I will.

If you are going to get MGS3, get the subsistence version; the camera is a whole lot better. The controls are going to be a big problem for you though. If you hated the controls in MGS4, you're mostly likely going to hate the ones in MGS3. But the gameplay is very fun, so you might put up with it.

I think it's supposed to be like an interactive movie. I've only seen cut scenes of MGS4

[QUOTE="PalmPixi"]

• It is a stealth game, but it's more of an action game. There is somewhat of a focus to it, but I wouldn't say it's a must have. You play the way you want, you can go all action, but it's best to hide at times.
• How are the controls akward? Sure it doesn't play like most other games out there, It's not perfect, but they aren't bad ether.
• What do you mean, read a book to play the game?
• No trophies, has nothing to do with a games quality.
• Basically, it's the 4th entry into the franchise. Did you honestly expect to know everything if you haven't played the first 3? It's like saying "well I watched the godfather 3, and it sucks because I didn't understand it" Of course you didn't, you didn't watch the first 2 movies.
• Half of the game is cut-scenes, and? Not every game needs to be an action game.
• To me it seems like your problem is simple: Your not into this type of game. Period. Does it mean the game doesn't deserve to be called "one of the greatest games of all time". No. You just aren't into this type of game, and I don't understand why you labeled critisim against the plot, knowing that you didn't play the previews games in the franchise.

megadeth1984

1. I have played hundreds of games if not a thousand and by no-way does MGS4 stand for more of an action game when all the equipment and gadgets and levels are designed for stealth. I have played almost untill the end and the stealth elements of the game are very poor considering the fact that its a stealth oriented game, like the level where you have to go through this town undetected I was enjoying it at first, reminded me of Theif, but it could have been done a lot better it had so much potential yet they just threw it in the disc with minimum effort you tell me wouldn't it be cool if he could go under the car and do enemy takedowns from there quietly? its just one I mentioned, they could have added a thousand more, but just 4 -5 would have been awesome.

Also the way he walks doesn't help the game, feels very comical and awkward yet tries to be serious and just doesn't go together for me. Its something like Terminator and Kindergarten mixed together in a Japanese guy's head, I have nothing against it but just not my taste, when I want a burger I have a burger not mix it with cake.

2. Controls are very stiff they are not as userfriendly as most other games comparatively Splinter Cell (close genre and available in console).

3. There was a whole ebook available at the time I got the game for people like me who hasn't played the first ones, in it, it had the story from the rest of the series. They could have just made a video like Dead Space 2 to catch you up to the story, and leaving out the details of some Japanese chick's bouncing melons.

4. Agree, but again I mentioned No Trophies because I was told by someone that this game is absolutely mind blowing and that he had gotten the platinum for it.

5. No I did't expect to know everything from the first three , but I did expect to be entertained by this story alone, so that it is intriguing enough that I will do some research and find out more about the characters and the previous games. It lacked a lot of intrigue, take for example God of War 3 people who didn't even know 1 and 2 wanted to play them after playing three cause it had intrigue and its not because its and action game but because its just an amazing experience.

6. I didn't say that it had to be an action game I said it should have decided a few things before turning into a game: a. Stealth or Action, b. Comedy or Serious, c.movie or game, d. what is important and what is not for most of the game it just didn't seem like it knew what it wanted to be. They give you 007 gadgets but doesn't provide much ease or ways of using them. The best thing about the game the handycam robot (forgot the name) for the view not for the lame weapon (even a dart would have been better) and the nano suit (although could have done very well without showing his ***crack).

7. No, the problem is I can't put it into a particular type or even types, not because its special or anything but because I don't think MGS4 even knows what it is it seems characterless yet the Media hyped it to God status. Again previous games don't matter if the one in question can hold its own.

Lastly I love a few Japanese movies but I certainly don't wanna play a Japanese Drama.

The first one was great, the second one was good but the stupidly complicated plot ruined it, the third one was absolutely amazing with a great story, great audiovisual presentation and probably the best gameplay I've ever seen in a stealth based game (I think Thief is better in that aspect, but that's just me) but the 4th. one while it looked amazing the plot was SO boring, although I did cry at the ending XD.

So yeah, it's a cool game series but it's incredibly flawed.

I wonder how many reviewers who gave it perfect 10 scores can take it back now. (Spoiler ahead)

Anyways, someone on the this thread mentioned how you DONT HAVE to use stealth. In actuality, u dont have to do anything but run from point A to point B while eating rations. (The only exception would be boss battles, and the ship's deck).

[QUOTE="megadeth1984"]

[QUOTE="DJChuy"]

I love the series, but MGS4 was a huge disappointment, imo. It was the only MGS game I didn't enjoy. MGS4 didn't compel you to conserve ammo or search for weapons; you can buy ammo and weapons whenever you wanted, even during a boss fight. The boss fights weren't good aside from maybe one or two; they felt like bad copies of the other boss fights in the series. There wasn't much variety in the missions compared to other games. Another thing that bothered me was the cutscene to gameplay ratio. While the series is known for being cutscene-heavy, MGS4 took it to the next level; it was 9 hours of cutscenes versus 4-5 hours of gameplay, and it didn't help that the story wasn't any good, imo.

The story was poorly written, poorly paced, relied heavenly on plot devices, and never got its message across properly. Also, the characters were poorly developed especially the B&B Corps. You knew nothing about them prior to fighting them, and they didn't play a vital role in the story unlike Foxhound and Dead Cell. After defeating them, Drebin will call you, telling you their backstories through codec. It screamed lazy writing for me. I consider MGS1 & 3 to be the best in the series (solid story + gameplay). MGS2 had excellent gameplay, but the story was so-so.

DJChuy

completely agree about MGS4 don't know about the rest but someone has told me to try out MGS3 and I think I will.

If you are going to get MGS3, get the subsistence version; the camera is a whole lot better. The controls are going to be a big problem for you though. If you hated the controls in MGS4, you're mostly likely going to hate the ones in MGS3. But the gameplay is very fun, so you might put up with it.

Alright will give it a shot. thanks.

[QUOTE="megadeth1984"]

[QUOTE="PalmPixi"]

• It is a stealth game, but it's more of an action game. There is somewhat of a focus to it, but I wouldn't say it's a must have. You play the way you want, you can go all action, but it's best to hide at times.
• How are the controls akward? Sure it doesn't play like most other games out there, It's not perfect, but they aren't bad ether.
• What do you mean, read a book to play the game?
• No trophies, has nothing to do with a games quality.
• Basically, it's the 4th entry into the franchise. Did you honestly expect to know everything if you haven't played the first 3? It's like saying "well I watched the godfather 3, and it sucks because I didn't understand it" Of course you didn't, you didn't watch the first 2 movies.
• Half of the game is cut-scenes, and? Not every game needs to be an action game.
• To me it seems like your problem is simple: Your not into this type of game. Period. Does it mean the game doesn't deserve to be called "one of the greatest games of all time". No. You just aren't into this type of game, and I don't understand why you labeled critisim against the plot, knowing that you didn't play the previews games in the franchise.

PalmPixi

1. I have played hundreds of games if not a thousand and by no-way does MGS4 stand for more of an action game when all the equipment and gadgets and levels are designed for stealth. I have played almost untill the end and the stealth elements of the game are very poor considering the fact that its a stealth oriented game, like the level where you have to go through this town undetected I was enjoying it at first, reminded me of Theif, but it could have been done a lot better it had so much potential yet they just threw it in the disc with minimum effort you tell me wouldn't it be cool if he could go under the car and do enemy takedowns from there quietly? its just one I mentioned, they could have added a thousand more, but just 4 -5 would have been awesome.

Also the way he walks doesn't help the game, feels very comical and awkward yet tries to be serious and just doesn't go together for me. Its something like Terminator and Kindergarten mixed together in a Japanese guy's head, I have nothing against it but just not my taste, when I want a burger I have a burger not mix it with cake.

2. Controls are very stiff they are not as userfriendly as most other games comparatively Splinter Cell (close genre and available in console).

3. There was a whole ebook available at the time I got the game for people like me who hasn't played the first ones, in it, it had the story from the rest of the series. They could have just made a video like Dead Space 2 to catch you up to the story, and leaving out the details of some Japanese chick's bouncing melons.

4. Agree, but again I mentioned No Trophies because I was told by someone that this game is absolutely mind blowing and that he had gotten the platinum for it.

5. No I did't expect to know everything from the first three , but I did expect to be entertained by this story alone, so that it is intriguing enough that I will do some research and find out more about the characters and the previous games. It lacked a lot of intrigue, take for example God of War 3 people who didn't even know 1 and 2 wanted to play them after playing three cause it had intrigue and its not because its and action game but because its just an amazing experience.

6. I didn't say that it had to be an action game I said it should have decided a few things before turning into a game: a. Stealth or Action, b. Comedy or Serious, c.movie or game, d. what is important and what is not for most of the game it just didn't seem like it knew what it wanted to be. They give you 007 gadgets but doesn't provide much ease or ways of using them. The best thing about the game the handycam robot (forgot the name) for the view not for the lame weapon (even a dart would have been better) and the nano suit (although could have done very well without showing his ***crack).

7. No, the problem is I can't put it into a particular type or even types, not because its special or anything but because I don't think MGS4 even knows what it is it seems characterless yet the Media hyped it to God status. Again previous games don't matter if the one in question can hold its own.

Lastly I love a few Japanese movies but I certainly don't wanna play a Japanese Drama.

1. Read carefully before answering "when all the equipment and gadgets and levels are designed for stealth" didn't say it was all about gadgets. But tell me one thing why does he have a nano suit that can camaflouge to anything, if not for stealth? to look cool? another thing why does the game award you more points if you play stealthily rather than slam bam.

2. I don't know what you are talking about. but I didn't say it had to play like any other game I just said the controls could have been made more responsive also his movement parameters given in the game are quite awkward doesn't feel smooth. In which case is God Of War crap?? Control?? it had awesome fluid control what are you talking about.

3. Ok I don't think you are reading the whole sentences. I am not judging the whole series (hence I am gonna try out mgs3 suggested to me by a person here) what I said was that they could have put a little animated movie to catch you up to the story from the previous parts in MGS4 so that people like me who hasn't played the past parts can get head or tail of something. God father 2 and 3 both are videos and are sequels how the hell do you possibly connect god father and mgs?? and what are you talking about??? god father is a movie that can be watched in any dvd player or pc or whatever, mgs series ranges from ps1 I think to ps3. I don't think anyone would be consoles to play a single series.

5. God of War is a very story driven series, either you haven't played it or you didn't get it. And the story is simply amazing. Ok simply put God of war 3 $33million Day 1 Sales Metal gear Solid 4 day 1 sale is $1.3 million. See the difference? both are story driven, both were ending the series (in terms of Mgs4 the last of Snake), see which one people wanted to know the ending to more? 33 million compared to 1 million enough said. But its not about God Of War 3 vs MGS4 so I will not continue that conversation here.

6. As you said Drama, Thriller and parts of Mystery all these do go together. but if you try to make a action, thriller, drama and comedy it just turns weird.

7. lol MGS4 is intelligent? you can run straight through the game, very intelligent, there are no puzzles again very intelligent, point gun and shoot wow, buy ammo at will, amazing, the best game ever 10 10 10 10 lol NON LINEAR??????????? LOL hmm I think I have been debating invain, my apologies.

And lastly because it didn't say "MGS4 A JAPANESE MELO-DRAMA WITH CHEESE PUFF FRUITY ACTION" on the box hence I got it.

Nevermind friend, to whose his own.

The first one was great, the second one was good but the stupidly complicated plot ruined it, the third one was absolutely amazing with a great story, great audiovisual presentation and probably the best gameplay I've ever seen in a stealth based game (I think Thief is better in that aspect, but that's just me) but the 4th. one while it looked amazing the plot was SO boring, although I did cry at the ending XD.

So yeah, it's a cool game series but it's incredibly flawed.

KillerJuan77

I haven't played the first 3 so don't really know about it but I will try out mgs 3 as suggested by a lot of people. I agree Theif is probably the best stealth game ever. and the mgs4 plot is boring and very stale and the gameplay sucks except for ofcourse some cool things, too bad I didn't finish it in the end, from what I have heard the last bit is very emotional, and I think it would have provoked an emotion atleast from me, which the rest of the game couldn't except for anger that is.

Played only MGS1, 2,3,4, Peace Walker and Portable Ops. I managed to finish only the 1st part and Peace Walker. Not my type of story telling and I prefer Splinter Cell type of gameplay.

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[QUOTE="megadeth1984"]

1. I have played hundreds of games if not a thousand and by no-way does MGS4 stand for more of an action game when all the equipment and gadgets and levels are designed for stealth. I have played almost untill the end and the stealth elements of the game are very poor considering the fact that its a stealth oriented game, like the level where you have to go through this town undetected I was enjoying it at first, reminded me of Theif, but it could have been done a lot better it had so much potential yet they just threw it in the disc with minimum effort you tell me wouldn't it be cool if he could go under the car and do enemy takedowns from there quietly? its just one I mentioned, they could have added a thousand more, but just 4 -5 would have been awesome.

Also the way he walks doesn't help the game, feels very comical and awkward yet tries to be serious and just doesn't go together for me. Its something like Terminator and Kindergarten mixed together in a Japanese guy's head, I have nothing against it but just not my taste, when I want a burger I have a burger not mix it with cake.

2. Controls are very stiff they are not as userfriendly as most other games comparatively Splinter Cell (close genre and available in console).

3. There was a whole ebook available at the time I got the game for people like me who hasn't played the first ones, in it, it had the story from the rest of the series. They could have just made a video like Dead Space 2 to catch you up to the story, and leaving out the details of some Japanese chick's bouncing melons.

4. Agree, but again I mentioned No Trophies because I was told by someone that this game is absolutely mind blowing and that he had gotten the platinum for it.

5. No I did't expect to know everything from the first three , but I did expect to be entertained by this story alone, so that it is intriguing enough that I will do some research and find out more about the characters and the previous games. It lacked a lot of intrigue, take for example God of War 3 people who didn't even know 1 and 2 wanted to play them after playing three cause it had intrigue and its not because its and action game but because its just an amazing experience.

6. I didn't say that it had to be an action game I said it should have decided a few things before turning into a game: a. Stealth or Action, b. Comedy or Serious, c.movie or game, d. what is important and what is not for most of the game it just didn't seem like it knew what it wanted to be. They give you 007 gadgets but doesn't provide much ease or ways of using them. The best thing about the game the handycam robot (forgot the name) for the view not for the lame weapon (even a dart would have been better) and the nano suit (although could have done very well without showing his ***crack).

7. No, the problem is I can't put it into a particular type or even types, not because its special or anything but because I don't think MGS4 even knows what it is it seems characterless yet the Media hyped it to God status. Again previous games don't matter if the one in question can hold its own.

Lastly I love a few Japanese movies but I certainly don't wanna play a Japanese Drama.

megadeth1984

1. Read carefully before answering "when all the equipment and gadgets and levels are designed for stealth" didn't say it was all about gadgets. But tell me one thing why does he have a nano suit that can camaflouge to anything, if not for stealth? to look cool? another thing why does the game award you more points if you play stealthily rather than slam bam.

2. I don't know what you are talking about. but I didn't say it had to play like any other game I just said the controls could have been made more responsive also his movement parameters given in the game are quite awkward doesn't feel smooth. In which case is God Of War crap?? Control?? it had awesome fluid control what are you talking about.

3. Ok I don't think you are reading the whole sentences. I am not judging the whole series (hence I am gonna try out mgs3 suggested to me by a person here) what I said was that they could have put a little animated movie to catch you up to the story from the previous parts in MGS4 so that people like me who hasn't played the past parts can get head or tail of something. God father 2 and 3 both are videos and are sequels how the hell do you possibly connect god father and mgs?? and what are you talking about??? god father is a movie that can be watched in any dvd player or pc or whatever, mgs series ranges from ps1 I think to ps3. I don't think anyone would be consoles to play a single series.

5. God of War is a very story driven series, either you haven't played it or you didn't get it. And the story is simply amazing. Ok simply put God of war 3 $33million Day 1 Sales Metal gear Solid 4 day 1 sale is $1.3 million. See the difference? both are story driven, both were ending the series (in terms of Mgs4 the last of Snake), see which one people wanted to know the ending to more? 33 million compared to 1 million enough said. But its not about God Of War 3 vs MGS4 so I will not continue that conversation here.

6. As you said Drama, Thriller and parts of Mystery all these do go together. but if you try to make a action, thriller, drama and comedy it just turns weird.

7. lol MGS4 is intelligent? you can run straight through the game, very intelligent, there are no puzzles again very intelligent, point gun and shoot wow, buy ammo at will, amazing, the best game ever 10 10 10 10 lol NON LINEAR??????????? LOL hmm I think I have been debating invain, my apologies.

And lastly because it didn't say "MGS4 A JAPANESE MELO-DRAMA WITH CHEESE PUFF FRUITY ACTION" on the box hence I got it.

Nevermind friend, to whose his own.

Well I have no comment about the games themselves, but I am bitter towards them because Kojima always seems to put making yet another MGS ahead of a sequel to Zone of the Enders... A game a lot of people have been waiting for for 7 or 8 years. ZOE 3 Kojima, please...elm_street_kid