Shadow Of War Review Roundup [Updated]

@CyberEarth: https://youtu.be/-61uMtjcSz0

@joejoe1639: This. 100% this.

@joejoe1639: If the microtransactions had no impact on the quality of the game, NO ONE WOULD BUY THEM. Since the developers obviously want people to buy them - they make them have an impact on the quality of the game.

You're arguing in circles, and it's baffling how any consumer defends such anti-consumer nonsense.

@joejoe1639: PREACH!!!!!

@joejoe1639: as far as I'm concerned, the problem is the fact that those microtransactions are actually parts of the game that have been cutted out and sold separately. And I agree with who doesn't like this. Unless of course they release the game with a much reduced cost, which is not the case.

@Zero_Maniac: Hey look, there's Y's VIII. You gamble every time you kill a boss. Want certain loot? Kill him again.
Same exact thing as a loot chest. You still have farm your gear and/or healing items.

Oh, what's this? Y's VIII does have Microtransactions/DLC/P2W. If you purchase the DLC, you get ahead faster. But what did you do? You've chosen to IGNORE IT (or maybe you've purchased it, I don't know).

Shadows of War creates a shortcut if you care to spend real money. If you don't? IGNORE IT. Because everything in the game you can obtain without spending a dime.

Last time - "For the children" didn't work with explicit song lyrics, violence in video games, or anything else you wish to legislate. And I say legislate because you're up on some imaginary pedestal thinking you're morally superior than other people. Let them make their own choices. Your arguments are tired, fallacious, and downright weak. You're flipflopping between "gambling is morally and ethically wrong so game is bad, mmmkay?" to "It's for the CHILDREN (PLEASE! Someone think of the CHILDREN!)".

Don't like it? Don't play it. And stop spending your time in a thread about a game you don't like.

@Zero_Maniac: Except YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY REAL MONEY FOR LOOT BOXES. I bolded, underlined, and italicized that for you. Because you don't seem to get it - you get loot boxes just by playing the game. Just like if you killed boss XYZ and were rewarded with a treasure chest. No need to pay real money for them. But... if you want to pay real money, you can optionally purchase them instead of having to trudge and kill boss XYZ.

As for adolescents? There's a credit card check as age verification. Don't blame the game because lax parenting. That's an entirely fallacious argument and massive red herring.

Hey, let's take out the blood, too! Because an M game shouldn't have blood and violence and decapitations since adolescents will play it! Oh look, I can make silly inane arguments too. Want another? Your state advertises lottery. Lottery is gambling. That advertisement is seen by minors. Know what else? There's drinking advertisements all over TV. Guess those are unethical too, because minors see them and will drink! Oh noes! Look! More red herrings!

You're supporting factually fallacious arguments. The fault isn't on the game, and it's not unethical. Had there been loot only obtainable in purchasable loot boxes, I might be with you. But there isn't. It's not like Overwatch where certain loot is restricted behind time gates and it's nearly impossible to obtain without paying. This isn't that game.

@Zero_Maniac:

"Worried about bigger, real world issues? That's not an argument..."

No it's not an argument, it's a fact. Microtransactions are a micro-issue. The issue can be dealt with and solved within a household. There are far bigger issues in the world right now than people spending money on microtransactions.

"If a kid decides to blow all their (or their parents) money on gambling in video games, that will have an averse impact on their real-world life"

That's on the individual and/or the parents. This is a lesson all kids have to learn once they start having money. It's nice to be able to buy what you want but you eventually [you should] learn how to manage and control money. If children are spending their parents money then the parents need to do a better job monitoring their children. It is up to the parents to decide what they allow their children to buy.

"You don't need MTs in video games to teach kids how to spend money responsibly"

Microtransactions aren't necessary to teach that lesson but it's really no different than any other tempting purchase a child or teen might encounter. There are millions of things kids can spend and waste money on, MTs are just something new. It doesn't matter if it is microtransactions, actual videogames, shoes, clothes, Pokemon cards (yes people still buy Pokemon cards), fidget spinners, phone apps, random stuff on amazon, etc, at the end of the day a choice needs to be made "am I spending my money wisely? Is what I am paying for worth what I am spending?"

@Zero_Maniac: so would buying trading cards be a form of gambling too then? I mean you are spending money on something without knowing exactly what you are getting. How about monthly "Loot Boxes" that may or may not have items a subscriber is interested in?

Like JoeJoe said, as tempting as it might be, kids can't purchase anything without a credit card. If they have their own card they are now responsible for how they spend their money. If it's their parents card then parents need to be aware of what their children are buying and how much they are spending.

@Zero_Maniac: I thought you wanted discussion? Instead you're saying "if you disagree, you're wrong" with more fallacies.

Did you play Diablo 2? Did you kill Mephisto 100,000 times? He essentially drops a loot box every time you kill him. Each kill was a chance at loot (or "gambling" as you call it). That's what a loot box is. It's a randomized treasure chest. Within Shadows, you spend your in-game earned currency on those randomized treasure chests. You can also optionally spend real money to obtain them as well, but you aren't forced and you don't have to.

In Shadows, I can go kill a boss for enough currency to purchase a loot box. I don't need to spend a dime. This is where your "argument" entirely falls apart. You get everything in the game by simply playing the game - just like games WITHOUT Microtransactions. If they offend you so much, ignore them. If you're worried about other people's children, you have some massive mental issues - don't tell other people how to raise their children.

If you're worried that your children will "gamble", be a better parent.

@R4gn4r0k: I'm not, because Gamespot doesn't treat games with MTs equally. What about Destiny? Did GS give a lower score there because it's heavy with MTs? Honestly, Destiny is much more reliant on MTs than Shadows is.

Shadows has optional MTs and everything in the MTs can be found in the game. Destiny? Not so much. Try getting into a top clan as a free player. Good luck with that!

@R4gn4r0k: So according to your logic, car manufacturers should be slated for offering an option for sat nav......why don't people know where they are going for f**ks sake?

@R4gn4r0k: And I am saying that is NOT a good thing to lower a game's score just because of the presence of micro-transactions, unless it is actually detrimental to the game, predatory in nature, or gives unfair advantages/Pay to Win. Just having them is not a bad thing, it is how they are used that should determine that.