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Q&A: GTAIV - Big or huge?

Analysts Michael Pachter and Evan Wilson weigh in on just how successful Rockstar's latest open-world mayhem maker will be.

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Expectations were high when Microsoft and Bungie released Halo 3 for the Xbox 360 on September 25. It was only mildly surprising, then, when Microsoft proclaimed a day after launch that the final installment in Halo's story arc, begun in 2001 on the original Xbox, had set North American entertainment sales records, selling some $170 million in product within 24 hours. Not a bad tally, considering it had unseated summer box-office spectacle Spider-Man 3's record-setting $151 million domestic opening-weekend haul from earlier in the year.

Bungie wasn't given long to bask in its unequivocal success before analysts began to balk at Halo 3's feat. Within two weeks of Microsoft's announcement, Janco Partners analyst Mike Hickey was postulating that Bungie would soon find its sales crown swiped by the criminal masterminds at Rockstar Games. Were Grand Theft Auto IV to land a similarly eye-popping attachment rate on par with Halo 3's--at the time, in excess of 40 percent--he conjectured, the cross-platform status of the game could spike first-week unit shipments to 9.5 million worldwide, or $466 million in sales. Those figures would constitute a significant premium over Halo 3's reported 5 million-unit, $300 million international opening-week debut.

With Take-Two now reportedly measuring out global preorder demand at 6 million units--or $400 million--it has become a forgone conclusion that GTAIV will do quite well for itself when it launches tomorrow.

"There is no question that GTA will be huge," Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter told GameSpot. "I think that the game will sell 11 to 13 million copies by calendar year end, with probably 4 million the first week and 6 million the first full month." While sales will initially favor the Xbox 360 edition of the game at a rate of three-to-two, Pachter predicted that as Sony's console continues to gain momentum, game sales will even out toward the end of the year to a roughly even split. By year's end, Pachter estimates 5 to 6 million PS3 owners will have picked up the game, yielding an attachment rate of 35 percent, and 6 to 7 million units headed to the Xbox 360 gamers, a 30 percent attach rate.

Pachter believes the game will have legs into next year, as well, as Microsoft and Sony continue to more deeply penetrate the market with their latest systems. "The attach rate is likely to slow a bit, so we should expect another 5 to 6 million units sold (unless the game is discounted)," Pachter said. "So I think lifetime sales will be 16 to 19 million."

While that may in fact constitute "huge," it would not best GTAIV's direct predecessor, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, according to Pacific Crest Securities analyst Evan Wilson. "I don't see any other game this year that has the sales potential of GTAIV. However, the real question is what console game can top San Andreas?" said Wilson to GameSpot. "San Andreas sold 21.5 million copies [globally]."

Regardless of whether GTAIV pulls a sales coup on its antecedent, Wilson believes gamers will flock in droves to GTAIV. Giving a quick and dirty rundown, Wilson told GameSpot, "Our initial assumptions for the game are 4.5 million worldwide in April. 8.5 million by the end of October. 10 million by the end of the year." In a note to investors this week, Wilson referenced the gushing nature of early reviews, and said he may have lowballed the actual year-end total by as much as 2 million units.

Certainly one of the biggest factors in Rockstar's corner is the substantially larger pool of customers GTAIV will enjoy over Halo 3. "In total, we estimate the US 360 installed base to be 3.5 million higher for GTA IV than it was for Halo's launch, or just over 50 percent," said Wilson. The PS3 adds another 4 to 4.5 million consoles to the GTA base." As such, though Wilson agrees with Pachter that the game will see a significantly lower attach rate than Halo 3--26 percent in the US, 20 percent globally in its first week--it will enjoy a superior opening-week sales tally of $550 million.

All said, Pachter believes that if GTAIV hits his sales estimate, Take-Two and Rockstar will see retail sales of roughly $720 million in 2008, assuming all games go for full price. That's a sizable slice of the pie, given Pachter's 2008 global gaming industry revenue estimates. "I expect US and European software sales to total $22.8 billion this year, so GTA represents 3.2 percent of all games sold."

As for when the next time a title will leave such a substantive imprint on the gaming industry, the prolific analyst was quite clear: "GTAV."

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I have to say that these grand theft auto fan boys they allow to write reviews for this game are making me a little nauseous. I mean a 10 out of 10? A little ridiculous don't you think. Granted its going to sell like crazy and be an awesome game. But goodness have some self respect and don't drool all over the reviews. Some of us are fans of bigger franchises (like Halo and metal gear) and don't need to hear things like "This is the best game ever made" blah blah blah... Keep your little high school kid like comments to yourselves. Haven't played the game yet but I think It would probably be a 9.4 game. Def not a 10. Disgusting!

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Is there a analyst school somewhere? It takes 30 seconds to guess those numbers and they have an article about it... How do i become an analyst? Getting paid for throwing guesses around sounds like a dream job to me, theres no consequences if your wrong, simply because you couldn't really know, which voids any credibility analyst have but they still print these, so i want in on this sham.

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I agree with Chawy24 and Towlie. Gamespot takes way too long to post reviews; it's unacceptable really. I mean seriously, the review isn't up yet but they have a game play marathon going, where's the logic GS?

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@Killswitch308 dont forget that the gta series started on the pc :) but i still agree that its awesome on the console (ps console that is)

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I agree with Towlie. Gamespot takes sooooooooo long to do their reviews. I already know this game is perfect from IGN, because they have some smart people workin there. I still enjoy TTV, but IGN has become my main website when it comes to reviews, because they do it fast, and they know what they're talking about!

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I normally dont comment but analysts are so stupid I just have to. How do they figure this crap out and how long does it take them? I mean I could have told everyone as im sure many here could, that GTA 4 would sell tons of copies and potentially beat halo 3 so what? All the gta games have sold extremely well so how much magic is there is saying these stupid things?

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gta4 daddy will see u 2morrow { goes back 2 hiding in the shaows}

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This game does not belong on the PC, and I'm glad it isn't launching for it. GTA has always been a series best suited for consoles, because of the way they play. also, GTA should not be a T rated game ever, because then i couldn't get a prostitute and then run her over after a half and half. by the way, Mario is in fact over used, and GTA isn't even near as close to how over used Mario is. for those reading, feel free to scroll down the comments to see who this is a response too :D.

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Retrofraction12 what are you talking about? WTF GTA 5 was never confirmed and why the hell would it be on the wii?

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WOW .....

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I will think about getting this when I finally get a 360

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considering that it is on all the systems but the wii, and soon to be on PC (where it belongs) it should be a huge gamming event. though I think rockstar needs to start finding new games or consepts so gta does not end up like mario (over used ) not that that is bad, but I hope that they might be able to pull of a teen rating next time.

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I'm going to start going to IGN for reviews if Gamespot can't get them up in time. IGN reviewed this last week!

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HUGE

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GTA4 will be massive!

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Kinda big for me, but eh, you'll all go and eat it up. It'll be huge. No questions, but will it deserve all the attention? Personally, at this point in time, I don't think any game deserves the kind of attention and praise people give them, but that's just me.

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I gotta go to work REAL early tomorrow.. but I'll get my buddy to got pick up my reservation.. SOOO EXCITED... Big or Huge... Lets try GINORMUS !!!! THAT'S MORE LIKE IT

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i can't wait for this game the time right now is going by REALLY slow

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nobody thinks it can be a huge drop?? I dont know but... too many hype no?

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I never liked GTA games, but I have enjoyed Saints Row, and Crackdown, and with the changes made I'm willing to give it another try. Plus how can any gamer not own a game that is getting perfect scores!!!!!

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I think this has the capability to surpass GTA: SA.

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Instead of comparing the sales figures of Halo 3 and GTA IV, why not compare the games themselves? Maybe Halo 3 would sell just as well as GTA if it was multiplat, but that doesn't change the fact that it sucks **** compared to GTA IV. And in the end, thats what really matters

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Leaving to go wait in line at a Midnight Launch. Can't wait, this game will be huge.

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this will be a big hit...

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That's what she said!!!!!! At everyone!

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It's going to sell a lot. I don't have any fancy degrees and I can tell you that!

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I think it's going to be even bigger than what these analysts think. They just don't seem to really understand the industry. I can see this game selling 25 million globally.

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All you halo fanboys knock it off - enjoy seeing your king with his top selling crown for these last few hours, because GTA is going to take it with ease. Even with it as a 360 exclusive it still wouldn't have had a problem being number one.

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Even though I'm not much of a GTA fan I wouldn't say HUGE. I predict GTA IV will be epic. GOTY no doubt.

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How many copies has Wii Play sold? I wouldn't be too surprised if it did reach 21 million a year or two down the road. I'm still seeing it in the top 10 software sales charts.

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HUGE!

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lol yayyyyy...i just wanna play the game, instead of reading how great it is haha

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Tebbit you bastard, fly over here and give me a copy.

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I hate GTA games!!!!

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It's been out for about 13 hours in New Zealand... Consensus: Wow.

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I'm pretty sure the game is going to be hugely successful. I had initially pre-ordered it due to hype and decided to cancel my pre-order later because I figured I wouldn't enjoy the game much at all, seeing as how I've never really gotten into the past games in the series very much. Well it turns out all I needed was to see the actual gameplay in action and I basically went straight back to the store a few days later and pre-ordered it once again, this time with no doubt in my mind. I think it'll be an amazing experience and probably the best sandbox title for awhile to come. Rockstar is an amazing company...

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GTA4 imho is going to make gaming history and I'm just glad to be apart of that

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@darkride66 I so feel your pain. I just got my elite back weeks ago. I wrote a letter saying that console better be back in time for GTA IV and if it wasn't I would never buy another MS gaming product ecer again. 1 Week later they sent me a replacement with 2 weeks to spare.

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Stores here open at 10:00PM, I guess you better get in line.

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cmon cmon 12:00 am!

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wiiplay1: The Wii can't handle GTA IV

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these last few hours are UNBEARABLE.

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Well said Chris_555. As for the halo 3 comparison, I think It's fine to compare it when you use numbers specific to that console: "In total, we estimate the US 360 installed base to be 3.5 million higher for GTA IV than it was for Halo's launch, or just over 50 percent," said Wilson. The PS3 adds another 4 to 4.5 million consoles to the GTA base."

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Michael Pachter ... ...0 / 6 on his last bunch of predictions...and still people listen to him like it's gosple

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the problem is it's not out on the wii. they'd earn another couple hundred million $s off of that.

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"Not a bad tally, considering it had unseated summer box-office spectacle Spider-Man 3's record-setting $151 million domestic opening-weekend haul from earlier in the year. " Cn you idiots PLEASE stop with the movie comparisons? You're comparing a game that costs $60 to a movie that costs $10 per ticket. It's like saying "Hond's new Accord got more $ last year than GTA 4 in sales" See the retarded comparison? Grow up Gamespot. Do some research before you write an article.

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With clearly the best-selling game franchise of the decade, I can't see how Take-Two went into a financial problem.

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