PS3 pushing SCE $1.71 billion into red

:o ouch, that's really too bad

how SONY work hard to spoil us with real next gen experience we are truly a family... wo ai ni SONY

some years ago i was playing genesis and Nes wondering what next ...Then a Cdplayers brand launched a new console,i played it and then a giant software house from PC land launched a console,sega stoped making games sonic on nintendo machines :o how can any of us predict what is going to happen the only thing i learned in gaming hardware its that its better to sit tight and wait.. always

ooh.. i sense angerrrrr.. PS3 will sell like hell... no matter what.. and thats sad... this xmas im just playing with WII and 360.. hmmmm and why u may ask.. delay for EU.. not good idea sony,..

shockg2000 Finally someone is making sense. Ihardwick692 thank you for your comment, because people seem to think PS3 is gonna flop and do poor in sales. Like I was saying all along they know how to market and do their jobs. People are talking as if this is all new to Sony. I guess some people must of forgotten about PS 1 & PS2. SHAME SHAME Every company, no matter how big or small, has it's dark day. The world of business is constantly changing and expecting a company like SCE to do well with the PS3 purely on sales figures of the PS1 & PS2 is nonsense. Look what happened to Nintendo. They had huge sales of the NES and SNES, but we all know what happened when the N64 came along with it's state of the art graphics and large price tag (remind you of the PS3?).

chibirevolution To be honest they should have just left the blu ray technology out of the machine. Just give us a choice to buy it like the xbox. The games also run on Blue-Ray disc. CD-ROM does not hold enough memory required for PS3 games so this is why they opted for Blue-Ray. Just letting you know. To be honest I didn't realise this until recently.

So all these people saying that Sony cares more about their gamers than Microsoft because of backward compatability(SNOZBERRY AND TRIGUN) are retarted. I bought a NEXT GEN system to play NEXT GEN games, why the HELL is backward compatability some important thing? I will admit it's a nice thing to have (I'm sure id miss halo 2 and some others from the first box) but seriously, over 250 games from Xbox are playable on the 360. 250!! All of the popular ones are backwards compatable (halos, tom clancy games, etc) and out of those 250 games, most people dont even own a 10th! so WHy is it we are caught up on playing games from 97-2005 on our NEXT GENERATION, STATE OF THE ART SYSTEMS??? why is that important?? The only reason some people DO find this important is because they need to trade in their old PSones and Two's towards a Three because it costs 700 FRIGGIN DOLLARS!! If it was cheaper would it matter? Hell no you'd keep your ps2 in a heart beat! Also, you guys are too FRIGGIN lazy!! What, you cant get up and put the PS2 GAME in the PS2 CONSOLE!?!?! Are you seriously so use to convenience that you cant have 2 systems out? WAHH WAHH WAHH I want one system to do EVEYTHING!!! even taking over the wooooorrrrrrlddd!! Muahh huahh huahh haaa!!! Real gamers keep old systems jack asses. And dont respond to this with the Cliched "What are you, 3 years old, I see better grammar from 9 year olds, go back to school...." etc etc Because Im 22 years old and EXTREMELY PISSED OFF at Sony and hate ass kissers. When Im pissed, I type fast and the spell checker system on here is a pain in the as*hole. So please come up with SOMETHING ELSE to prove your point that Sony cares about their gamers, because I dont see that. Oh and trigun 133, you say that reviews are saying that games run faster and better on ps2 that 360?? I guess you missed the fact that ALL DEVELOPERS have already confirmed that in terms of power, the 2 systems are EQUAL!!!! No difference at all BESIDES THE FACT THAT ITS EASIER BY A LONG SHOT TO DEVELOP FOR 360 THAN IT IS FOR THE PS3, WHICH IS WHY A LOT OF DEVELOPERS WOULD MUCH RATHER DEVELOP EXCLUSIVE GAMES FOR 360 BECAUSE IT'S EASIER!!!!!

To be honest they should have just left the blu ray technology out of the machine. Just give us a choice to buy it like the xbox. Not all of us want to watch blu-ray movies, and certainly no way any game is going to take up more 40gb of storage. Seriously, it would have been better for us all generally. I really don't see why we gamers need blu-ray to play games. its stupid.

Ouch! Massive damage to Sony's wallet.

Dang. I love Sony and the previous Playstations, but I really don't like the PS3. I just want Sony to succeed, but so far, they're not!

@ Fox Nin Like I said,the point of the Industry is to make money not lose money. Sony isn't only in the Red with the PS3 and to bank their faith on Graphics over anything else was fool hearted. Sega did this (32X) ,Nintendo did this (N64) Atari did this (Jaguar) 3DO did it (3DO).History has show that an Over powered machine is not guaranteed any sort of victory.Watching this new Gen unfold reminds me 100% of all those past mistakes rolled into one. It isn't over for the PS3 not even close but if Sony intends to keep its former 1# spot then they need to get back to the table and make some massive changes soon.

To all gamers: Lets kick it to the curb all of this bickering about which console is better. The fact is just like all consumer products, cars, homes, clothes, no mater what you purchase you get what you want. If you are spending the money then of course you are going to buy the product you like the most. So that is the bottom line in this whole debate. As far as which console is better than the other is not determined by the specs or power of the system as we all know. The winner is always the one who sells the most consoles and sells the most games, and that we will not know for a while yet. So why not let us stick to giving each other facts and important information. Then when the smoke clears and the winner is know then you can stick it the face of whoever you want. After the first 6 to 12mo. of the ps3 launch we will have at least an idea of who the winner will be. Elderjlin

Capcom USA are putting a stranglehold on capcom japan saying all games like Lost Planet ,Dead Rising are 360 exclusives and msoft don't charge third party fees or royalties fees to devs who makes exclusives for 360,but ps3 you still have to pay exlcusive or not,,So capcom will be giving xbox 360 all there ps3 games Devil my cry4 etc etc,HA Msoft will win this battle.1080i/1080p 1125i/1125p High def looks sweet ps3 blueray no thanks console is a rip off sure it will sell alot but thats only cause you guys have your heads up sony's "you know what!" so anything sony says you believe!!!! But anyway Microsoft is a giant company also and it will be strong and sony will lose alot of money but be ok... but i bet they lose there num 1 spot there making alot of bad ideas people angry! so most games now are coming to the 360 how cool is that But yeah id never buy a ps3 no way not about to buy some peace of crap you want to win the console race you got to come up with your own ideas sony dont have any. JUST LOOK AT THE SYSTEM AND CONTROLLER IT SPEAKS FOR IT SELF!!!! Nintendo and Xbox 360 have great ideas for games sony want to force some crap blueray drive on us,dont think so How about some new great ideas for games HELLO it is a console remember.

ok in response to that what is original coming from PS3 apart from their new chip??? I'm not a die hard xbox / xbox 360 fan i'm a fan of new and exciting technology. i see a bit of xbox 360 and Nintendos' ideas in the PS3 oh wait a minute both ideas of innovation....

Finally someone is making sense. Ihardwick692 thank you for your comment, because people seem to think PS3 is gonna flop and do poor in sales. Like I was saying all along they know how to market and do their jobs. People are talking as if this is all new to Sony. I guess some people must of forgotten about PS 1 & PS2. SHAME SHAME.

hopefully theyll recoup the money over the next few years.. ill get a ps3 next christmas when its success status is abit more clarified.

foxnin is completely retarded. this is an all enclusive games site, theres more to games than "purty pixtures and revews" you idiot...you say were all 10 but youre the one acting like a child arent you, making 17 letter bleeped out cuss words, what a total dork, go play SMB3 in your basement and leave the rest of us alone. if we want to know about whats going on in games then so be it....maybe you should think before making a stupid comment and acting like a child and making a fool of yourself....you 10 year old....why do you care about the people working at sony? do you work for them? i hope you do so you get fired you prick...we can say whatever the hell we want and if its negative, too bad, the worlds alot more harsh than posts on a message board you toolbag

alright jetgodlike are you supid? Ok YOUS WANT FAX. In 2007 xbox will have 100GB harddrive 1080p output halo3, Gears of war, fifa07, pro evo, halo wars, call of duty 3, GTA4, PGR4, froza 2, Fable2, Half-Life2 and much more. This is all fax on www.oxm.co.uk and also PS3 only has Geforce 7800LoL and Xbox360 has ATIX1900 its been prooven how can you say "ITS BEEN PROVEN" when the damn console isnt even out yet? where did you see the 360 has an x1900 in it id love to see that article. I guess you missed all the previews that say the PS3 games run at better framerates with better quality than the 360. hmm sounds like sonys the stronger system huh? oh yeah and 7 3.2ghz processors are better than 3 last time i checked, oh thats right youre just an idiot thats all....and i guess you missed that microsoft has no plans on releasing a larger hard drive too..oh horray xbox is going to have halo...didnt see that one coming...the racing games so what, motorstorm and GTHD will blow those away like they always have...half life 2 oh my god played how long ago on PC, oh and its coming to ps3 too wowzers no exclusive there...other than gears of war, halo, forza (not froza jackass) and PGR, all the games you mentioned will be on PS3...and running better i might add....oh and fable? who gives a crap about fable it was average when they released the first one...it was short, repetative and above all, not what moleneux said it woule be, so i think ill just laugh at that game....point is yes xbox is a great system and it has some killer titles, but so will ps3, it will have new versions of its classics (MGS4) as well as some killer new apps (Resistance) and cross platform games (Elder Scrolls) so please dont try and sway people by giving them the wrong facts please, research before you talk about things you dont understand, the real victims are the people who read your dumbass posts and get stupider just by reading them....

Attention: All idiots sell your Sony stock now!!! So, I can buy it and reap the rewards later!

FUNNY HOW ALL THESE COMPANIES KEEP SAYING PS3 IS CAUSING LOSS IN SALES FOR SONY---EVERY SYSTEM IN EVERY GENERATION HAS A SALES LOSS PRIOR TO THE RELEASE OF A NEXT GEN CONSOLE---COMPANIES LIKE SONY KNOW THIS---AND THEY ACT LIKE THIS LOSS OF 173 MILLION DOLLARS IS GOING TO CAUSE THEM TO BELLY-UP---BUT TRUTH BE KNOWN--THIS IS A MULTI BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY--SONY KNOWS THE SALES WILL GO DOWN BUT ONCE THEIR PRODUCT HITS SHELVES--THEY WILL GO UP WAY AND ABOVE EXPECTATIONS-- SONY KNOWS IN ORDER TO MAKE MONEY--THEY GOT TO SPEND IT--THEY DIDNT BECOME RICH BY MILKING THINGS FOREVER--AND THEY CARE WHAT CONSUMERS WANT--BACKWARDS COMPATABILITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT---WHERE MICROSOFT DIDNT GIVE A RATS BEHIND ABOUT THEIR PREVIOUS CONSOLE BEING COMPATABLE WITH THEIR NEW ONE--- SO DO YOUR POLLS--RATINGS AND CRITICIZE SONY NOW--BUT WHEN SONY SELLS ENOUGH PS3'S IN SIX MONTHS--THAT IT TOOK MICROSOFTS XBOX360 A WHOLE YR TO DO--- AND THEN YOU WILL CHANGE YOUR STATEMENTS TO SONY SHOWS MILLIONS IN PROFIT AND BLAH BLAH BLAH--

Oh, well. Meanwhile, at Nintendo HeadQuarters....

Do you see anywhere that says, oh we are a coverage site? The name itself says Gamespot. and if you look at the tabs do you see somewhere in there that has a business today tab, do you? Also if this was a coverage site, we would be seeing actual physical news, like, U.S. government is planning on sending more troops to Iraq... That's the difference between a game review site and a coverage site. Said Fox_nin. If this holds true then I want you to go to your local television "news" site/station, this is the "news" section if I read right? Here is what I want you to do. Tell them that I realize that you guy's are journalist and probably went to school to get degrees, but could you not report anything that doesn't purtain particularly to their lives, so if they have not themselves been murdered or sent to war or raped or had a bad day on wall street, then don't freakin' report because then it is considered an opinion. Which the last time I checked has not been taken away from anyone living in America or wherever you are posting from that you can freely go on this site and give one. Gamespot is a one stop shop for gaming news and reviews. Sony suffering losses which given the right circumstances shut down the gaming division of the company and us as gamers losing an important entity in the gaming, with which we would not have the advancements that we have in gaming. They made people namely MS step up their game with the 360 and say bring it on, but you are going to have to work for it. MS stepped things up by making a very versatile system that can be made to compete with the on paper monster that is the PS3. We need all three companys to succeed for there to continue to be advancement in the video gaming console field. So before you get on here and go on some tirade and curse us all to eternal damnation, you should consider that we are free to our opinion whether you like it or not and you have given yours now please kindly go away. Stacy "frankenwookie"Hilt

LOL this is funny. This PS3 thing is getting blown way out of proportion. To make a long story short the fact of the matter is simply this: No matter what you will have a PS3 in ur homes. So for everyone that has negative comments just try to remember all the negative posts you posted before PS3 launched. PS3 will sell no matter the price. PS3 is the better gaming system no matter the competitors. Its all about what suits you. Sony knows their audience. Use your heads. Do you actually think Sony is sitting back biting their thumbs wondering if their system is gonna flop? Their not rookies. They know the game. They know what their up against. Huh, think about it. Why do you think they released XBox so early. To get a head start in the console race they know they wont win. Show people a couple of game trailers with tight images and tell them its the next gaming platform people began to drowl. And if ur too impatient to wait for a PS3 than you will have a XBox 360 in ur homes. Out with the old and in with the new. Its like you can have a bike or you can have a bike with jets, or you can have the bike that flys, only you have to wait another year before you can get it. What do you think the vast major is gonna select. The bike with Jets, Exactly. But you will have those that will wait for the bike that flys.Microsoft knows they dont have the better console, they just want that 15 minutes of fame. I mean Its easy to be on top when you dont have any competitors for a whole year. Next Gen compared to PS2 for a whole year. Which system looks better? Which system runs better? Stevie Wonder can see that. But it all boils down this: You can start strong but its all about the company that finishes harder. Lets see how well PS3 does when its been out for a year. Until than who the hell cares about numbers and percentages. It just gives me a headache. Now tell me I'm wrong

PS2 outsold other consoles. The name alone will have casual gamers wanting to get one. I BELIEVE Sony is going to sell out all units the same day their sent in (for the next few months) just like they have before. They'll make up that cash in no time.

In 2 years they'll recoup it. You have to spend money to make money. And the PS3 is truly an amazing piece of machinery.

The US National Debt is actually $8,566,019,804,158.70 and rising. Sony is a little better off :P << LINK REMOVED >>

Pretty much since Bush done outsourced them all!

In regards to job cuts, how many factories does Sony have in the US? If jobs are gonna be cut then I would think the Japs are gonna get the brunt of it.

Fox, what's your beef, man? It's gonna be a lot of kids posting crap here and there's really no true way you can stop it. Either post and be done with it or don't post at all.

and Once again another !#!%#$% goes puts a real stupid comment. None of you really read anything or bother to think. Yes, Fony is competing with U.S. national debt which is well over 475 billion dollars. Congrats #$^@#$

I forsee HUGE layoffs in the future. This is getting WAY too serious. Jobs are already thin right now so why add to the problem?

Also one more thing, have you all read the title of the article. PS3 pushing SCE $1.71 billion into red Keywords SCE a division of sony.

Good ol' Fony. Trying to compete with the national debt, huh?

Do you see anywhere that says, oh we are a coverage site? The name itself says Gamespot. and if you look at the tabs do you see somewhere in there that has a business today tab, do you? Also if this was a coverage site, we would be seeing actual physical news, like, U.S. government is planning on sending more troops to Iraq... That's the difference between a game review site and a coverage site.

That's funny, my entire post was deleted way before it even got posted. But in short what my post was all about how disappointed, how sick, how much shame I am at all of you. This has gone beyond fanboyism. You have started wishing for the downfall of a company. SCE is a division of Sony. But still you guys are complete !@#%$$%$@^$@^. I'm convinced that most of you are 10 year olds. I'm also upset dissappointed at Gamespot for posting anything business related onto a game review site. In my original post I went onto a rant about how you people rot in hell, for reasons for wanting a company to do bad. When did gamers become so concieted and started acting this way? In a time where right Ford and few companies are doing massive layoffs, you all are wishing for a company to do bad. You all make me sick, you better hope that none of you work for a company that get contracts from sony. You better not have a parent that works for sony or works in a company that is a business partner of sony. Really, you people. Arghh I can't even summarize what I wrote in my other post cause of how sick and disgusted I am at all of you. You people are not gamers, what you guys are, you gus are !#%$!#. P.S. to whoever it was that posted that if the Sony dies that some of the exclusives that are being release on the PS3 go to the 360 after the system dies, you are dreaming, one or two of them might be brought to the 360 but not all of them, cause remember when it's exclusive, it's under exclusive license agreement. That does not expire till a 3-5 year cycle.

Fox_nin, since when is Gamespot just a game review site? It's a total coverage site. It's not an accident that they do previews, news, interviews, reviews and all other sorts of "ews".

i just have questions i want people to comment on. How does the X-Box 360 deliver High Definition. Is it through HDMI? Because Sony has HDMI. The reason Sony is costing so much is because of Blu-Ray. A Blu-Ray alone costs $1000. So if ur a entertainment junky such as myself than ur actually saving on the PS3. So if you think of it we are really paying for Blu-Ray technology. Do we care about the way a game looks if game play is crappy? So the question is how many of us really care about the way the games look as far as games being delivered in HD? I mean without HD TV's how will the games look? Its alot to look at. It all depends on what suits U, the gamer. I mean lets be real, we all see the one's complaining about the price but in the end we will all have a PS3. Think on this. When has Sony not delivered in terms of game consoles an video games. They ALWAYS have an aray of games to choose from. Now tell me I'm making all of this up:) Sony is just better. They run the industry (till this day), because they know what they are doing. I'm gonna stick with them until they show me otherwise. I mean I love Sony but they are leeches when it comes to their products. I mean its Sony Playstation not the Panasonicstation. Sony=$$$$ and we already know this before buying. So the price of the PS3 should not come to a suprise. LOL I'm done rambling I wanna know what u all think:)

isn't the point of this to make money? :| Sony cant stay in the red very long,No company can.

Yeah, Fergie Ferg looks OK- for a crank whore. Can I imbed links in this thing?

This is really dumb. It cost roughly 500 dollars to get a ps2 at launch and Sony was investing a ton of money into their new product then. Nothing changes. They are not screwed.

well sony's getting half of a grand from me NOVEMBER 17th! :D

Have I asked this already? Has anyone seen the London bridge video from Stacy (Fergie) Fergison on music television? Man if that woman isn't gods gift than I don't know what would be. When she is wearing barelyshorts, that is what I call shorts that can barely be considered and the button up shirt and tie. Man, she makes me long for the single life again and that I was someone that could get her attention. Anyway thought we may need a change of subject. And to see if anyone was paying attention.

While this is a huge loss, it's normal for a company to take major hits on a console. Microsoft has had some major losses as well.

"Fast forwards to the now i've have a xbox 360 and was going to buy a ps3 when they finally decide to lauch it however because they've taken so long to lauch it i've come to my senses.... (and yes im from the uk so i'm pi$$ed -March due date) come on now the 360 is nearly half the price of the ps3 with more or less the same power, it's jus distrubuted differently. now say to yourself would you rather buy a game for $60 - $50(PS3) or $40 - $30 (xbox 360) same graphics ish with different tweaks different concoles???? Now sony are losing money every unit they sell right, what money are they really going to have to really be adventurous? it's not like they have live which is an online sub. and last is blu-ray really going to take off??? games aren't really bigger than 6 to 8gb not even really that...!!! why do you need nearly 40gb of disk space? ok grate for backing up files software and all that... what are you going to put in a game that takes up 40gb???? come on sony i wanna know please tell me? i know all your new titles are not even close to 10gb so why blu-ray?" Xbox 360 games cost $50(select titles)-$60. PS3 games just cost a flat rate of $60. And the graphics are not the same. The PS3 does have noticeably have better graphics. I can tell your well informed... Resistance: Fall of Man currently takes up around 17 gb of space. A launch title. There's no way a game like that could be on any other format other then Blu-Ray.

Half of you are jsut a bunch of Xbox fan boys **** about the PS3. Get a life already!! And this crap about blu-ray is the only thing keeping the PS3 alive, what about the PS3 exclusive games? They are the entire point of the console. Resistance:Fall of Man, Killzone 2, Devil May Cry 4, etc. How about you wait until it comes out before you start complaining about the console.

I personally don't see how sony are going to do well... ok we all know that there are die hard Playstation fans dang i was one of them but then when the xbox came out i had a ps2 like better graphics on the xbox more games on the ps2. Fast forwards to the now i've have a xbox 360 and was going to buy a ps3 when they finally decide to lauch it however because they've taken so long to lauch it i've come to my senses.... (and yes im from the uk so i'm pi$$ed -March due date) come on now the 360 is nearly half the price of the ps3 with more or less the same power, it's jus distrubuted differently. now say to yourself would you rather buy a game for $60 - $50(PS3) or $40 - $30 (xbox 360) same graphics ish with different tweaks different concoles???? Now sony are losing money every unit they sell right, what money are they really going to have to really be adventurous? it's not like they have live which is an online sub. and last is blu-ray really going to take off??? games aren't really bigger than 6 to 8gb not even really that...!!! why do you need nearly 40gb of disk space? ok grate for backing up files software and all that... what are you going to put in a game that takes up 40gb???? come on sony i wanna know please tell me? i know all your new titles are not even close to 10gb so why blu-ray? it doesn't make sense

Has anyone seen the London bridge video from Stacy (Fergie) Fergison on music television? Man if that woman isn't gods gift than I don't know what would be. When she is wearing barelyshorts, that is what I call shorts that can barely be considered and the button up shirt and tie. Man, she makes me long for the single life again and that I was someone that could get her attention. Anyway thought we may need a change of subject. And to see if anyone was paying attention.

If the PS3 is as good as they say it's going to be, then I'm not surprised at this deficit. I'm really interested to see how this is going to turn out for Sony. I haven't bought a 360 yet, but if the PS3 has great reviews at launch, I'll be picking one up as soon as I can, which will probably be in January, at the earliest!