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Kinect has problems recognizing dark-skinned users?

[UPDATE] GameSpot testing suggests facial recognition features of motion-sensing camera system might not work properly for some gamers; Microsoft says lighting levels to blame.

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Source: In testing the Kinect, two dark-skinned GameSpot employees had problems getting the system's facial recognition features to work.

What we heard: Part of Microsoft's $500 million marketing push for Kinect includes positioning it as an accessible entertainment device for all audiences. However, it may be more accessible to some than others.

While testing out the Kinect, two dark-skinned GameSpot employees experienced problems with the system's facial recognition abilities. The system recognized one employee inconsistently, while it was never able to properly identify the other despite repeated calibration attempts. However, Kinect had no problems identifying a third dark-skinned GameSpot employee, recognizing his face after a single calibration. Lighter-skinned employees were also consistently picked up on the first try.

Not all games make much use of Kinect's facial recognition features.
Not all games make much use of Kinect's facial recognition features.

It's important to note that the problems were only experienced with the system's facial recognition feature and don't prevent users from playing Kinect games. Skeletal tracking, a primary means of controlling games with Kinect, appeared to work the same for all GameSpot employees.

The system's inability to recognize a user only means that he or she would need to sign in manually and some games' features may not work properly as a result. For example, when a second player joins in to Kinect Adventures during the title's drop-in, drop-out multiplayer, the system can't bring up that player's proper in-game avatar automatically if it can't identify the new user first.

If Kinect does have some technical issues related to users' pigmentation, it wouldn't be a first for recognition technology. Last holiday season, users of Hewlett-Packard computers with built-in webcams reported problems with a face-tracking feature.

HP blamed the problem on the webcam's technology, "standard algorithms that measure the difference in intensity of contrast between the eyes and the upper cheek and nose." It said the system could have problems "seeing" that contrast if there is insufficient foreground lighting.

[UPDATE 11/4] GameSpot continued its testing of Kinect today with more users in different rooms and different clothing. At first, the two employees who originally would not be recognized by the camera were correctly identified on the first try. However, when one changed from a light blue shirt to a black shirt (but stayed in the same room with the same lighting), the camera again failed to recognize him after multiple calibration tests. It also failed to recognize another darker-skinned GameSpot employee after four calibration attempts.

Somehow, those issues may not completely undermine the camera's ability to use facial recognition features. Despite the Xbox 360's insistence that it could not recognize some of the GameSpot employees immediately after calibration, the system was able to recognize them and sign them in properly when they waved at the camera, regardless of their clothing.

The official story: "The goal of Kinect is to break down the barriers for everyone to play, and it will work with people of all shapes and ethnicities at launch."--A Microsoft representative, who added that Kinect owners having calibration or recognition problems can call 1-800-4-MY-XBOX.

[UPDATE 2]: After the additional testing, Microsoft provided further comment, saying, "Kinect works with people of all skin tones. And just like a camera, optimal lighting is best. Anyone experiencing issues with facial recognition should adjust their lighting settings, as instructed in the Kinect Tuner."

Bogus or not bogus: Not bogus that Kinect has problems identifying some users. Abstain on how widespread those problems are, or whether they're due to skin color at all. With the system launching tonight and Microsoft expecting to sell 5 million by year's end, it shouldn't be long before the scope and cause of such problems are identified.

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It looks like they don't hire a lot of black testers... that doesn't look good for kinect

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Stop with the "I can not play with lights low" the article is focused on facial recognition that is only used to ID the player to sign in. It does not address game play at all, except to say there was no issue. I know the facts get in the way of a good argument. One of the sensors in the Kinect uses Infrared to track the users motion, that is not dependent on light at all. The issue is not with game play. Stop reacting like it is.

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Nice to see so many fanboys hating on Microsoft considering they have come up with an idea which is actually different to the nintendo Wii's unlike some other company. As for the review by Gamespot, check out this site which pretty much explains any problem you would have with facial recognition of Kinect - << LINK REMOVED >>

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"adjust your lighting settings" what if all youve got is an on off switch? does that mean ive gotta go out and buy a spotlight so my darkskinned friends can play?

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come on.. just 26 more!!!!!

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...that's racist!

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lol

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i think thats why michael jackson changed his skin to white, too bad he didnt make it for kinect :(

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epic fail, oh my god. They didn't even think about this happening?

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Microsoft is racist!!!!

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Besides this, I don't see why all the hate for motion controls. It almost seems like people don't like exercising at all.

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@pattyp77 I agree, those over actors at the M$ e3 event made me sick.

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golly, what a bad way to start off a launch!

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calling Kinnect "racist" is absolutely absurd. however, if it is, in fact, not recognizing dark-skinned people, as GameSpot has tried it a number of times. Microsoft should fix it so it does recognize dark-skinned people, instead of saying "umm... yeah, just turn on more lights." It should work the same for everyone, not make some people have to turn on more lights because the hardware is a piece of crap.

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so you have to be a certain race to use it...and you need a giant living room to use it...ugh how much does an eye toy cost these days?

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In fact, I get the impression too that Consumer Reports are approaching this GameSpot article like the YouTube video of HP Laptops being racist, i.e. thinking that this article is attempting to stick the racist label on Kinect. It isn't to me; it's just a collation of observations, with a hardly conclusive bottom-line. If there's any flaw to be had with this article, I say it's the highly suggestive title. I believe that Consumer Reports are just posting that article to make themselves look good.

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What debunking has Consumer Reports done? << LINK REMOVED >> appears to suggest that GameSpot is not using sufficient lighting, which Jody has already said is not the case. After having read their article, I get the impression that Consumer Reports aren't doing their "debunking" right, and some of you really, REALLY need to read further than the headlines. Moreover, a lot of you and Consumer Reports are missing the true point here: Kinect CONSISTENTLY fails for that two GameSpot staffers, and there is a third dark-skinned one whom Kinect has no issues with. Consistent failure of facial recognition of specific individuals is not something that can be easily brushed off or "debunked".

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Do you always have to play kinect in a WELL lite room? If so, it will ruin horror games :( @Jag-T1000 you been playing too much street figther! :)

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Who would write such a stupid report titled, "Kinect has problems recognizing dark-skinned users?" Idiots like this are just w@nkers who want a front page headline, just like that imbecile that accused Resident Evil 5 of being racist. Mind you,none of these suggestions come from dark-skinned people. But I suppose if a game features races from Europe, the US, or AUS, then it's all swell! "She'll be right", ah?

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@Balck_soul: cute joke, but the room that they used to test this actually had a full room lit up with lights. :/

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This has fail written all over it.

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@XanderZane and anyone else listening... Let me put this to you. If Kinetic was "All That" like M$ says it is... They would have not bothered with an extremely over-the-top marketing/hype campaign. If Kinect was so truly incredible then shortly after release folks would have tried it, reviews would have massively praised it, friends would tell friends... 5 Million sales, and massive profits without all the Marketing costs. I remain 100% sceptical... 99% of the time when a big movie producer, game publisher, TV series creator goes crazy on a marketing/hype campaign right before they release their product, its because they know the product isn't as good as it was "expected/supposed to be". The idea is is to draw in as many people as they can (Impulse buying) before the truth hits home and the music stops. Works everytime. But maybe Kinect is the 1%...

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What you have to do is input this code: up,up,down,down,left,right,left,right,B,A, start. It turns black players white. Now everybody can play!

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@Pattyp77 Well I'm a gamer and I love games. All kinds, not just hardcore. I'm not a kid. Been gaming for over 25yrs. I don't think Kinect will be for kids only. I know my wife and I will have fun with Dance Central. She still love games like Super Mario Bros and Kirby Epic Yarn. Just because games look kiddy, doesn't mean they are just for kids. I'm sure there will be a lot of teenagers and adults playing DKC Returns when it's released.

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@XanderZane - Lol here we go again... Careful mate... You will soon be charged a Kinect subscription fee... You know how the industry works after all. And yup, Move, Wii, Kinect... Same same... But the kids love it... And the BIG TIME koolaid drinkers. "M$ spent $500M on marketing so this thing MUST be good" LoLoLoL!

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There's a place for all motion gaming, at the frat house or in the garbage.

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if this technical problem is fixed, its still a lame device for gaming.

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I'm starting to think Kinect won't be too friendly to Survival Horror games. I would assume that a lot of people like to turn the light off while playing a scary game.

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@SHEN4N1G4NS NOBODY IS GONNA BUY KINECT ******************************************************* Wow!! 5 Million people are a LOT of nobodys. lmao!! [url]<< LINK REMOVED >>[/url] If Microsoft is racist then they hate dark and light skinned gamers because the same thing happens if there is too much light in the room with light skin gamers. Amazing isn't it? lmao!! Hahaha!! Trolling people are funny.

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@pattyp77 BWA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! Microsoft analysts soon to announce 5 million suckers!!!! ******************************************************** Same could be said for MOVE. Oh wait a minute. MOVE couldn't even sell 5 million units. lol!! 2 million suckers maybe. Anyways, I'm sure this little bug will get fixed fairly quickly. It's quite obvious that this wasn't tested on a multitude of racial employees. Oh well, I'll be playing my Kinect this weekend. ************************************************************* @ x-2tha-z Looks like Gamespot is making a big issue out of nothing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah.. it's a minor issue. Some of Moves games have problems with lighting as well. No one is complaining about that though. With new technology like this, it's never going to be 100% perfect out of the gate. Every new piece of hardware released this gen has had some issues. People just like to troll. Don't pay them any mind.

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"it will work with people of all shapes and ethnicities at launch"... and AFTER launch? Typical underhanded-agenda Microsoft. LOL

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<< LINK REMOVED >> It is bogus

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It's funny how a device like Kinect encountered a technical difficulty such as this and for some reason people tend to put it out of context (in a joking-like manner), racially stereotyping its potential on what audience it's mainly focusing towards. But I digress over such misunderstandings, if it's even called that, that is :P

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Even when they smile really big? j/k Seriously, though, there are so many lighting / background variables from setting to setting that it may take some fiddling to get it to work, no matter what skin tone you are dealing with. I was a little apprehensive of this type of issue based on so many demonstrators wearing white gloves at E3 and similar events.

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Hilarious. Maybe Microsoft did it on purpose so they can sell a white-suit as a peripheral.

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LMFAO

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Just Plain Funny...

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And it begins. Down in flames you go you rectangled atrocity.

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I think Kinect might be a little racist...

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Because Kinect made by Chinese.Dark skin in China is very rare

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I've read on other sites that this claim is bogus.

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I think Gamespot should of done more testing before reporting this story.

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What if your a hairy dude? Anyway, enough of the jokes, the update in the above new article clearly states that "Anyone experiencing issues with facial recognition should adjust their lighting settings, as instructed in the Kinect Tuner".

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The guy giving the kinect demo at E3 was black...hmm.

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