GameSpot's Best of Show Winners for E3 2013

@gilldominic My first foray were Half-Life mods. They kept me busy for years.

@udubdawgz@GSGuy321

http://www.crydev.net/viewtopic.php?p=816669

He needs to look here for example of it, game blows but this mod is showing true color in DX11 , for game that is few years old...

Or you can try playing Skyrim with 4k graphic mod

I think my first foray into mods was Civ 2 Ultimate Edition, I probably spent as much time in the editor as I did actually playing the game!

Good times were had. <NOSTALGIA/>

@GSGuy321 @mlp071 @udubdawgz @bunchanumbers PS4 , i don't buy into Xbox policies sorry

Plus i have 8 y/o who loves RPG's and PS in general has more non-PC of those..

I pre ordered 3 of PS4 to cover whole family..

@udubdawgz Poor humanoids.

@GSGuy321 you don't miss what you don't know

Mods are incredible. I have no idea how people game without them.

@mlp071 @udubdawgz @bunchanumbers oh, i'll be rebuying all of em when i get my new pc, lol.

i hear you with the gameplay hours. nothing worse than reading a review and a game getting high replay/longevity score for a game that lasts under 40 and a second or third playthrough has no MEANINGFUL difference.

on the bright side: think how NEW and awesome my favorite games are going to be when i add the mods? it'll be xmas time all year long, lol.

@mlp071 @udubdawgz @bunchanumbers mlp, you only get consoles for the exclusives, otherwise pc..

will you be going with XB1 or PS4 or both? Just curious.

I myself am skipping both consoles.

@mlp071 @udubdawgz @bunchanumbers Sometimes I wish I had the discipline to try the whole "lag gaming plan" where you only get games 6 or 12 months after release.

Quality wise you aren't far behind, but price wise you end up saving a ton.

Alas, I just don't have the strength of will when a game I really like comes around.... :)

I think we're all pretty much on the same page.

In my eyes Steam's main competition has always been physical games.

Just like I think will be the case with X1 or PS4. They will have to offer digital for better value than physical from retailers, as we have already discussed how you get more value from having the actual disc.

Therefore there will still be competition.

The Publisher's will make a push to drive the user to the digital. How they do that remains to be seen. But they still wield a lot of power regardless of a console's DRM policy.

Definitely more compeition on the PC. Definitely.

@gilldominic @mlp071 @GSGuy321 i have to disagree:

- Amazon DD, Impulse gamestop DD, Gamersgate DD, GMG DD, Gamefly DD(former D2D)

Between them i never have to buy any game for more then 50 % of the release price only month or two after release.

Best psrt of it is almost all codes from other DD retailers work on Steam if you choose to.

@mlp071 @GSGuy321 @gilldominic I don't see the PS4 being that much more advantageous going forward. Definitely better at the moment though, no question.

@GSGuy321 @mlp071 @gilldominic one more thing , in example of Xbox (One and 360)

Microsoft , smartly, doesn't take portion of sale price from any game, but they charge huge fees for release license, dev kits and patches.

That's how theyr etained their "good boy " image with 360 , since nbo one know that they are the one driving prices up.

@mlp071 @GSGuy321 @gilldominic I agree that the saving will never be the same as Steam. Yup.

But what I'm saying is that the Publisher still has a lot of power in all this to control things regardless of the console's DRM policy.

That's why it's PC all the way for me in next gen :)

@mlp071 @GSGuy321 @gilldominic To be honest, Steam doesn't have any significant competition for digital downloads. Origin and Steam don't offer the same games.

Despite this lack of competition, Steam tends to be a pretty decent distribution platform in my opinion....

@GSGuy321 @mlp071 @gilldominic

They can choose to release digital only and see what reaction will be , sale wise...Then yeah it would be up to them.

But if you still disc available option then used game price will lower down new game price as well..not that much choice there.

@mlp071 @gilldominic @GSGuy321 But wouldn't that be up to publisher to decide the price. And wouldn't they want to push digital. If they want more control ?

@gilldominic @GSGuy321 But:

1) People will still have choice to buy on disc and thus making up that difference, money wise , by selling/trading that after they are done with game.

2) Prices do not go down unless you have competition, and ecosystem on Xbox 1 doesn't have that. PC is different matter because there are several places where you can purchase that download.I have bought games less then 2 months after their release for only fraction of their original release price.

Just 2 basic reasons why this wouldn't work on Xbox One...in 2 words no competition...

I prefer discs too. And I'm a PC player.

But the reality is that the vast majority will go for the digital if it's bundled and offered a certain way. For example, earlier and/or cheaper.

@gilldominic @GSGuy321 the advantage of having a disc in the current system is that i can play when, how, and, with whom i want.

i dictate the terms and 'they', lol, have no power or source of further financial gain.

i will pay higher prices, if necessary, for that consumer power.

convenience, ease, accessibility and price are never more important.

@gilldominic @GSGuy321 Well said.

@GSGuy321 With Steam you can pre-install to PLAY at 12:01 on release day. I imagine both consoles will offer that functionality.

The key question is the pricing. The ability to trade in the physical disc (still have to see the details on who you can trade in to regarding the X1) is the main advantage of buying physically. However if they price the download significantly lower than the disc price, they'll risk burning their bridges with retailers as people go for the cheaper download instead.

It's going to be an interesting generation in this regard.

I think you're right that publishers will probably start offering special extras for getting digital and such to get people within a DRM protected environment whichever platform they use....

@GSGuy321 Yes, they clearly stated in their presentation that they wouldn't have any check ins, so it follows that digital downloads will not require further online functionality (unless the actual game needs it to work) for you to play after downloading and installing it.

@Ne-Plus-Ultra @gilldominic Yes, sorry, I didn't put my point across very clearly. I was mainly referring to the discussion of the "console war" as referred to in the original point.

For general support and console specific inquiries then it would make sense I'm sure.