GameSpot's Best of Show Winners for E3 2013

@reanor2 @The_Last_Ride I'll just stop eating, lighting my house and running my car then. I know what your saying, but tbh they are so close in specs that getting one console will be enough.

@skiggy29 @Ne-Plus-Ultra As consumers we are asking for a choice, we Want and will vote with our money Internet connection and NO connection.

MS doing this for only reason MORE money, like they need anymore.

@this3ndup @Ne-Plus-Ultra

If it's from the Onion then sorry, I have looked at the website and there is no ties to the Onion I can find. If you know of a way to verify that it is tied to the Onion I would appreciate a link or tell me a way to verify it myself. It really isn't relevant anymore but I would still like to know how you linked it to the Onion because normally it is really easy if you look at the site but this one seems to have no connection to the Onion that is apparent. I've seen some companies do some incredibly ridiculous things in the past and given MS's stupidity lately I wouldn't put it past them. However though it does seem crazier then even MS, but they have done some vary stupid things lately and I mean many things way beyond the XB1.

@this3ndup @Ne-Plus-Ultra @skiggy29

I'm not so sure about that, I thought one of the big advantages of the XB1 was that you didn't need a disc. At least that is the way it was presented by MS, remember when MS kept saying that you don't need the disc when you play it at your friends house, you just sign in to your account download it and play it, so according to MS's description you would only need to install it once. Also they kept saying you don't have to worry about scratching or losing a disc now that it's on your HDD. Plus it is different from PC gaming now that they allow renting/trading/used games. Now they could have something in mind to prevent people from just copying rented games but I can't think of anyway they could do it. If you remember the day after E3 when people were complaining and asking for the DRM to be removed, it was MS's Major Nelson that said it can't be removed, then after a few days of low pre orders lots of bad PR and mad stock holders All of a sudden MS changed it's mind and took away the DRM, which leads me to assume that MS didn't have a plan for taking away the DRM which would make me assume that MS has no plan in place to prevent people from just renting and copying. I also just read this article that has Phil Spencer mentioning that the XB1 doesn't need discs if you want to check it out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/xbox-one-changes_n_3472395.html

@Ne-Plus-Ultra @skiggy29 There are other ways of enforcing DRM with disc-based games; you don't just "copy" the disc to your hard drive. You install required data, but the game will probably still require the disc to play, and the publisher could easily include other forms of DRM. This just puts control over DRM back in the hands of developers, and it's really not any different than PC gaming in that regard.

@Ne-Plus-Ultra The source regarding the 21 states is a satirical piece, ala the Onion. It's not real; do you really think Microsoft would exclude 29 states from their release based on factors like obesity levels? It's a joke! :)

@skiggy29 @Ne-Plus-Ultra

I hear ya but I think these companies do owe us, in the sense that it's our money that makes the company in the first place, I own my own company and I value all of my customers, I always try my best to give them what they want, plus I have always felt obligated to give them what they ask for and provide the best products that I can make, because without them I don't have a business. I have also been all over the forums sense E3 so I know I'm not the only one when I say this, If all consoles manufactures decided to implement DRM like MS's and also went all digital then I and many others would have no reason not to finally make the switch to PC, the only reason not to would be for exclusives and many people like myself have no problem giving up something if it means supporting what we believe in. Now when companies become large and sell their souls to the devil (stock holders) they tend to make bad decisions based on quick money and just plan greed, I owned a business that was publicly traded and luckily I held on to the majority of the shares, I had to deal all the time with people who don't know the business but want you to do things for quick profits when you know that it will hurt your company down the line but no matter what you say all they want is quick money, they don't care if it goes under and people lose their jobs all they want is to make some money then dump it before it tanks from their decisions. What I'm saying is who knows what a company will do because there are always people who only look at the money right now and there are always people who look at the companies future, so you never know but from what it looks like right now the gamers predominantly don't support DRM to this degree. Now everything could change 8-10 years from now when this gen is up but I can't see myself changing my views on this. Who knows if I'll even still be gaming, by then I'll be damn near 50 but I hope I'll be gaming till the day I die and whether that's on a console with rented and used game support or a PC I'm sure it will be fun.

Please try to reconsider your stance on companies not giving a shit about us, I know you're correct for the most part but if we just except it then it will become the standard. As of right now there are still many companies that listen to their customers and if we become complacent with whatever they do then our voice will be lost. So please always voice your opinions even if that means emailing companies you support about the direction you would like to see in their company. I know it sounds like a lost cause but you are heard. I have been following the whole DRM thing sense it was just a rumor and I decided I was going to email the CEO of Sony now and then concerning my feelings on DRM and how I believed it would hurt consoles, of course I didn't get a response, but after E3 when we all knew what Sony did I decided to email Howard Stringer CEO of Sony one more time to thank him and Sony for not going the way MS did and guess what... he responded to my email, I couldn't believe it, I had to let it sink in that he was reading my emails and he did respond to me. So please always voice your opinion to the companies you do business with and always voice your opinion through your wallet so companies can't get away with treating us like were nothing more then cattle waiting to be herded in the direction they want.

Also on another note, what do you think is going to happen with the XB1 now that it will play used games? Sense you have to copy the disc to the hard drive and now it allows used and rented games then can't you just rent a game then copy it? It sounds like MS might of just made the worst console ever when you consider how much money devs will lose, many people won't buy games when they can easily just copy them. I just hope they figure out something because I would rather it go back to the DRM then cost the gaming industry because of MS's mistakes, and who knows if this is a problem that doesn't get resolved by MS then I can see some devs deciding not to make games for the XB1 if this becomes a trend.

@Ne-Plus-Ultra Nice sources but Im willing to bet the gen after the next gen will incorporate DRM. Thats where the world is eventually headed. This next gen is probably the last gen we will see discs so everything will be digital. Its weird because Im not saying what MS "was" going to do was right but Ive read a lot of posts in the past 4 months and it almost seems like gamers, especially Sony Fanboys act like these companies owe you something.!.. What world are we from??? Companies whether gaming, cell phones, pharmacies, they dont give a shit about us!! They dont owe us shit!! The fact that MS changed its initial policies is something of a miracle!!!! They didnt have to. Prior to the 180 announcement, they were only down in pre orders 3:2 and a lot of that had to do with the amount of reserve allotments they were supplying stores. Sony was sending out almost double. The policies did not hinder reserves at all. I know because when the MS E3 conf was over I COULD NOT find a local reserve and I live in the Tampa Bay market where there are hundreds of gamestops. None of these companies owe us shit and if Sony wants to turn around in 2 yrs and start charging and incorporate DRM policies then guess what, we are all going to have to abide. They will have our sales already and we will HAVE to abide. Then moving into any next gen we will all be used to the new policies in which they enforced. PC's have been doing what MS wanted to do for years. Ever play Diablo 3? WoW? I just dont understand why people insist that these companies owe us something and that we run the gaming industry. I dont work for MS by the way....

@Snakepond1 @IndoorActivist Killer Instinct is FREE by the way!!

@daemon9 @Snakepond1 Sure it is!!! Exclusives are everything!! Listen to you, a Sony fanboy saying exclusives doesnt warrant a reason to spend an extra $100. Sure it does and not to mention your getting a camera which Sony initially revealed at the PS4 reveal as a packaged item but decided to scrap it since. PS4 would have been the same price if the toy was still packaged. Plus that link you want everyone to see consisted of 96.9% Sony fanboys/

@daemon9 @Snakepond1 So I make a question asking about games being the most important factor and e3 2013 and you believe No alone is a proper response. OK, fine by me. I was always taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question just stupid answers.

Next, Microsoft has decided to make a stance and make their console online only. This is their console and if they decide to do that it is their right to. They want to protect against piracy and used games and that is their right. I for one am OK with that because 1) I have internet that never goes down for more then a day 2) with most games I buy online and used selling is not an option. 3) I like the interface and stability of Xboxlive. 4) As for $100 more let's look at the facts Microsoft is integrating the box with a Kinect 2.0. I for one do not care, but my family does. They like Dance Central, Just Dance, etc... Therefore, an all in one box is fine by me.

@Snakepond1 Just because you don't like my one-word response doesn't mean it isn't intelligent. It just means out of all the questions you asked, only one deserved an answer. Just so happens that one question turned out to be a Yes or No question. And the fact, that you "feel better" about my one-word response is quite unintelligent in itself. One would think Microsoft's stance on Internet Connectivity, Game Sharing/Trade In, IP restrictions, and basically WHAT CONSUMERS THINK ==> http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/ would make you "feel better" about buying a PS4 just based on principle alone. Exclusive titles isn't a sufficient reason to spend $100 more on an XBone. If you really feel that way, then my intelligence really shouldn't be questioned...it should be yours.