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Don't Like Rey's Parentage in Star Wars: The Last Jedi? Director Says It Could Change

The subject of Rey's parents is "still open" thanks to JJ Abrams taking on Episode IX.

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In the aftermath of the release of Star Wars: The Last Jedi, debates about many things in the film have raged on. While some fans loved the movie the the direction it takes the Star Wars universe in, while others are vehemently opposed to director Rian Johnson's entry in the franchise and how it treats some of the stories set up by Star Wars: The Force Awakens.

Spoilers for Star Wars: The Last Jedi follow.

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One major sticking point among many is the identity of Rey's (Daisy Ridley) parents. After The Force Awakens, fans theorized many different possibilities about who could be her mom and dad--from Luke Skywalker to Obi Wan Kenobi, to even Han Solo and Leia Organa. One answer many didn't expect though was they they were nobodies.

That's exactly who they were, though. As revealed by Rey and Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) in The Last Jedi, they were junk traders from the planet Jakku, who possibly sold her for alcohol money. Is that the final word, though? According to Johnson, not necessarily.

"Anything's still open, and I'm not writing the next film. [J.J. Abrams and Chris Terrio] are doing it," he tells The Huffington Post. Still, if Abrams and Terrio decide to change course and have the moment amount to Kylo misleading Rey, it would be a very strange choice to make, especially when you consider Johnson's reasoning.

Were Rey revealed to have a familiar connection to characters fans already know, the director explains that "it would be the big 'I am your father' twist [from The Empire Strikes Back]."

"The easy thing would be, 'Yes, your parents are so and so and here's your place in the world. There you go,'" he says. "The hardest thing she could hear would be [...] 'No, you're not going to get the answer. This is not going to define you. You're going to have to find your own place in this world. Kylo is going to use that even as leverage to try and make you feel insecure, and you're going to have to stand on your own two feet.'"

As Johnson points out, there is an argument that can be made that Rey's parents being nobody important makes her a stronger character. For her, it's not about following or moving away from the path set out in front of her by a parent. In truth, her course is closer to that of Anakin Skywalker, who lived most of his early life as a slave before finding out he was strong with the Force.

Regardless, any answer is open to interpretation, especially to Abrams as he sets out writing Episode IX. Ridley has said that at this point, the next saga film will be her final appearance in the Star Wars movie franchise, meaning Rey's story will likely reach its conclusion in the the movie.

Now the question is whether her story will be massively changed in the process. Star Wars: Episode IX will be in theaters on December 20, 2019. Star Wars will next be on the big screen when Solo: A Star Wars Story, the Han Solo standalone film, arrives on May 25.

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Ones that are defending this Shittiest movie in star wars history can answer Few questions "that i won't argue with ofc" i'l change my mind and go to next movies 50 times.

1) Why luke created Map to his location and told them to find him in case of DANGER if he wanted to die??? that was whole plot of Force awakens REMEMBER that??

2) Ray being nobody, why They hyped it from previous movie to here ??? only to f it up in the end, her BEING new child of phrophecy would been silly but FINE even.

3) Why did Luke wanted to KILL innocent child after saving DARTH vader and having hope for him for all time? that's not F ING LUKE it's middle finger to FANS.

4) Who's Snoke? Outter rim Overpovered dark side force user who knows everything about vader and emperor but he's NOBODY?

5) Benedicto del toro , who needed that character or CASINO what does that PLOT add s to main story?

6) overall WHAT DOES those movie add TO Franchise of star wars? NOTHING literally coz characters are NOBODY that's it.

We'l make changes to story , we are like destiny Developers who promise you that next game will be better, BUT IT WON"T BE.

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@wexorian: I wonder how you talk in REAL LIFE.

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@skippert: Probably LIKE this.

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@wexorian:

1) That was where he went to find out more about the Jedi. This implies the map is older than the incident involving Ben. From a time when Luke would have wanted to be found.

2) So the bad guy plants fake emotions and fake visions in both Rey and Kylos minds AND YOU BELIEVE THEM? Snoke straight up says he fed both of them fake visions and fake emotions to manipulate them. I'm astonished how stupid people are about this. Would you believe ANYTHING Palpatine would have said?

3) Continuity error. Star Wars has many.

4) Who was Palpatine? Original trilogy he was literally just an evil dude with force powers. No background. Seemingly no overall motivation beside "HAHA I'M EVIL!". Yet Episodes 3-6 are regarded like the bible.

5) Really only one moment. And that's when the hacker shows Finn that the "bad guys" also supply his precious Resistance/Rebellion with just about everything they use. Also showed what an Empire controlled city that ISN'T a scum infested backwater looks like.

6) What did Episode 5 add besides "I am your father" and a littany of plot holes?

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@Donut0389: 4) Palpatine was Not NOBODY, He was Living on naboo he got RICH past and background, not to talk about WHOLE story with Prequels.

No Luke Left that map because in need he could be FOUND, that was POINT of force awakens,

2) that's not answer to question or Whole point of Force awakens at all.

3) not an error it was MIDLE finger again, Luke most powerfull jedi was tempted to kill a F ing kid, and he did not wanted to kill darth vader, Again it's midle finger TO previous star wars and what Original movies stand for.

5) That hacker scene and background citiy with reach scum that plays on both side was not needed in MOVIE, It adds nothing to PLOT literally.

6) Han solo get's frozen, it add Cloud City, we see Boba fet, Luke get's PROPER training not ASSPUL balance like ray, Luke was Light side balance but he needed training for years till he could fight vader in episode 6.

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3) Actually Luke explains it in the third telling of that night, that he snuck in to read Ben's mind and in a moment of weakness ignited his lightsabre and immediately regretted it. Unfortunately Ben woke up at that point. Just before Ben pulls the wall down, you hear Luke say something along the lines of "Ben... No".

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@tenaka30: That's F ing cheap shot that's problem, Luke would never Try to kill KID, They just WIPE out Majority of Star wars fans and old story so they can MILK shit out of Star wars franchise without continiuty story.

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@wexorian: Then you need to watch it again.

Luke doesn't go there to kill Ben.

He actually says he overreacted in a moment of weakness and fear, and that he instantly regretted it.

I really don't think any of us KNOW Luke well enough after up to 30 years of character development we aren't involved in to say that he wouldn't do this. It actually seems you are blinded by hero-worship here.

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@wexorian: This is hands-down the worst Star Wars movie ever. I am a die hard Star Wars fan and I hated it. All of my friends hated it. Most, if not all of my co-workers hated it and the ones that liked it are just casual fans.

It completely disregarded the Star Wars lore and it was piss poor attempt at a Star Wars film. Thanks to this film, the new era saga is now is prequel territory.

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@mighty-lu-bu: Every word you just said was wrong.

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@therightclique: Hey if you liked a shitty plot, dumb characters, Leia flying around like rocketeer, and Luke's entire lore being ruined then that's on you. However, that also puts you in the "casual fan" category. Die hard fans like myself hated this movie, critics loved it and casual fans loved it. Weird.

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@mighty-lu-bu: Jesus Christ you sound like an idiot.

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@monkyby87: No you are one for liking this garbage.

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@mighty-lu-bu: You mean an average plot, only really two dumb characters, a Leia moment that confirmed the VERY popular theory that Leia was always a force user just not as good as Luke, and I'll give you Lukes character assassination.

But that is NOWHERE NEAR the level of bad that was the prequel trilogy. Or do I need to remind you of Midochlorians, Jar Jar, or horrible cgi backflip Yoda?

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@Donut0389: This movie made me hate every character, because it destroyed every character. And come on, that Leia scene was easily the worst thing we have ever seen in a Star Wars movie. Way worse than Midochlorians, Jar Jar or a backflipping CGI Yoda any day.

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@mighty-lu-bu: So Leia, daughter of Darth Vader and sister of Luke Skywalker having enough force power to gently pull herself through a short distance of space is a big no-no and breaks the universe. But Palpatine doing a full M. Bison whirly saber spin dash and Padme, a perfectly healthy and fit young woman, dying in childbirth because she felt a bit sad one day is somehow better? Or how about the castration of General Grevious? The most feared Jedi hunter with a fricken COLLECTION of Masters' lightsabers, beaten by a trick no self respecting Jedi would ever use.

Sorry. But the fact you think the prequels were better at ANYTHING shows you either have no idea what you're talking about or bandwagon poser who's just hating because it's the cool thing to do.

Last Jedi was't great. It also wasn't bad. It was mediocre Star Wars movie which still makes it good cinema and much better than the prequels which range from complete s**t to barely acceptable.

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@Donut0389: It is well known that both Leia and Luke were the force sensitive children of Akakin Skywalker and Padme Amidala, but Leia (as far as we know, but I am sure they will screw that up in a future comic by saying she was a Jedi Master or some other dumb shit) never received any sort of formal training. Unlike Luke, who had received training from both Obi-Wan, Yoda and who became a Jedi Knight and eventually a Jedi Master himself. She just didn't "gently pull" herself through space, she surrounded herself in a force bubble, protected herself from a massive explosion, then somehow survived in space with no oxygen for several minutes. Then she pulls herself to the ship- how did she get past the shields? God this movie is so fucking stupid. I did not like the prequels, they were garbage movies with some bits of greatest sprinkled in, but Leia flying through space is one of the dumbest, cringeist things I have ever seen in a movie. The Last Jedi easily sits in prequel trilogy territory for many reasons such as the scene above. In addition, there was no story in the Last Jedi- it was an almost 3 hour chase scene and it suffered from one of the worst sub-plots in Star Wars movie history- that Finn and Rose subplot was terrible! At least the prequels had workable plots and didn't suffer from the terrible tone issues that the Last Jedi did. I bet you like Michael Bay movies and are easily impressed by explosions, am I right or am I right?

I am a poser? I live an breath Star Wars bub and I hated the Last Jedi. If the Last Jedi was so great, why does it have a 50% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes (the lowest score out of any Star Wars movie EVER)? Why does it have a user score of 4.6 on Metacritic (again, the lowest score for any Star Wars movie ever)? This is usually the point where you exclaim that people were review bombing it, but they didn't review bomb The Force Awakens, so how do you explain this disparity? People unfamiliar with Star Wars and casual fans loved this move, die hard fans hated it.

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Rey's been in two full (one longer than normal) films and she's really achieved nothing. Think about what Luke had accomplished at the end of Empire... This new series is so unimaginative.

It's taking them 3 films to achieve what Luke did in less than 2.

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@so_hai: The biggest problem with Rey is she has no real personality or believable interesting character flaws besides perhaps being overly curious, naive and impulsive. Not much of a dark side to work with, which makes the character flat out boring to watch. And she has not evolved much at all over two films besides perhaps losing a bit of faith in her childhood heroes.

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The problem I have with Rey not being a Skywalker or tied to Anakin and Luke in some way is because it is the only thing that really makes sense when it comes to The Force Awakens and her origin story. TFA heavily copies A New Hope, but I was actually fine with it as I was certain that she was a Skywalker because of all the evidence for it. Because her origin is extremely similar to that of Anakin and Luke, she would fit in with the prophecy of the chosen one. Anakin and Luke both grow up on a desert planet, they are both natural pilots, they are both very strong in the force, and at the start of their journey they encounter a mentor/father figure that tragically dies early on.

Ring any bells? Rey has all of these aspects to her character. Instead of Tatooine, she grows up on Jakku, both desert planets. She is evidently a natural pilot, and of course she is very strong with the force. And she encounters Han Solo who becomes sort of a mentor/father figure for her, but he tragically dies early on in her story. Hence it is a case of history repeating itself, and if Rey had been a Skywalker I would understand why it is happening again.

And it would make way more sense when it comes to her power level. Why is she so powerful without any training? Even Anakin who was conceived by the force itself, still required training to be truly strong. But I could accept it if she was in fact closely tied to that family as it would make at least more sense than if she is a nobody. And why does Anakins lightsaber call to her in TFA? Would not Ben have more of a pull on the lightsaber than Rey since he is in fact a Skywalker in blood?

I feel like TLJ has cheapened the force as there does not seem to be any sacrifice required to be a strong force user. Any regular force sensitive person can be so strong without there being a reason for it, makes it just lose all its uniqueness. It is not like everyone can become an Astronaut, that requires a lot of luck and effort to become.

And the thing he said about "it would be the big 'I am your father' twist [from The Empire Strikes Back]." Yeah, that is what he did though, but with a twist to it. Ren is essentially Vader but instead of telling Rey she is family, he makes her realize she is a nobody. The problem her is that they set out to make the parentage of Rey a big deal in TFA. If they did not want a twist reveal, then why make a point of it in TFA?

This is not the worst problem I have with The Last Jedi, but it is one of many issues. I just wish they had been more brave with this new trilogy, create a new story that does not just copy paste old ideas and adding a twist on it to seem edgy and bold, when in truth it is just really lazy.

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@merwanor: I have severe issues with Rey. How is she so powerful without any training? She can be powerful in the force, I can mildly except that, but how is she such a good lightsaber duelist? This doesn't make any sense. She doesn't know any of the lightsaber forms and the extent of her training was literally her swinging her lightsaber at some rocks a few times. Since we know her linage now, I just don't care about her as a character anymore. The Last Jedi either misused, destroyed or disregarded characters that were established in TFA. I liked Poe in TFA, hate him now because he is just a stereotypical meat head. I liked Finn in TFA, but his character was destroyed in that terrible subplot. The list goes on and on and on.

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@merwanor: If memory serves... Vader didn't exactly come from a high-pedigree of Force users either - and he is arguably the gold standard when it comes to strong force users. As far as why he needs training to develop his powers and Rey has needed less - might be a casualty of permitted time in the story or maybe there is something more about the 'Force' seeking to keep a balance in all things and there is a great imbalance of Good and Evil in these last two episodes. Perhaps... as they eluded clearly, maybe use of the force has a lot less to do with the training and the person than everyone previously believed.

I think everyone got wrapped up in "the force awakens" means Rey.. and I thought TLJ brilliantly dispelled that. Rey isn't special BECAUSE of her heritage.. its something else - just like the small boy at the end of the movie that is inspired by the return of the great Luke Skywalker who defends the rebels single handedly. I liked that he was bitter, a curmudgeon that battled between his perceived failure and wanting to do the right thing.

Everyone tries to boil this down to a binary choice ("Why leave a map if he doesn't want to come back!!!"). I am sure if we analyzed in detail these people we would find contradictory decision making in piles. It underscores that we are imperfect and toil with our decisions, as did Luke... sort of the same reason why he believed the Jedi should die off and yet didn't burn down the Jedi library and 'mystical' tree. It took Rey, believing that above all else you HAVE to do something.. you have to STAND for something for him to reassess his thinking. Even Yoda pokes at him, saying how he misses him - sort of playfully pointing out how he IS STILL LUKE after all these years, over thinking and not focusing on what is right in front of him.

There is a lot to really like about this film if people just drop their preconceived notions about what they *think* things should be and just took them for what they are. I like that Rey is not from 'royalty'. I like that Snoke is just a manipulative dope and that Kylo is really the dangerous and imbalanced figure that he is. I like that Finn overcompensates for his cowardice and that Poe is forced to reconcile his recklessness that has served him well to this point but wont when he needs to account for larger decisions. All of these plot points say a great deal about people not being the sum of what name they have or where they are from but WHAT they do and THEY decide to be.. much like Luke's epitaph.

I don't expect many to agree with me and thats fine - ultimately if a movie doesn't inspire some debate or analysis its probably not that good of a movie (case in point.. how much did The Dark Knight TELL you who was right or wrong vice simply provide the arguments and let the audience decide?)

I just hope that JJ doesn't decide to "Oh Rey is really Kylo's cousin from a trist Leia had with a wookie" or some nonsense like that. This is a great time to bury that ridiculous "midichlorians" crap Lucas farted all over us. Make the Force that undefined thing between all things that keeps a balance in the universe and show us how Kylo and Rey ultimately figure into, or fight against, that equation.

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@Bungmeister: ...Are you Haruspis in disguise? You've got a similar writing voice. Also, I could see him using "bung" in a username somewhere. Lol. In any case, I like whatchyer sayin'.

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@VANGUARD003: Sorry - not familiar with Haruspis.. different dude. I think when I originally set up that user name it was after several attempts at something clever, but then requiring:

<clever name><not clever numbers>

I therefore settled on something crass and profane.. and here it is 20 years later. I suppose its my version of a regrettable tattoo from a misguided youth...

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@Bungmeister: It is so demoralising that rabid fans won't read passed the first line of your (spoiler section) post, dismissing it as rubbish because it is contrary to their opinion.

Seems like you and I definitely saw the same film.

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@tenaka30: Agreed. I enjoyed the movie. I'm not a casual fan, nor are a lot of us, we're die hard fans. But, many of us are able to look past what we want and think should happen and instead go along with what has happened.

For someone to come here and say that because our Star Wars opinion doesn't agree with yours makes us a casual fan? Ignorance and stupidity in their most basic form.

Let's take a step back. Until the prequel trilogy, only Luke/Leia and Vader had any family relation. The prequels were when everyone in the galaxy all of a sudden started being related to everyone and having some connection. Because of that, people then expected the same things in the new movies. We might just have to accept that Ren/Ben is the only one with a connection to other characters. I'm fine with that. You can still be a fan and be ok with Rey not having significant parents and Snoke not being Palptaine resurrected/Plagieus/etc.

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@monkyby87: I'm fine with what Disney has chosen to do with The Last Jedi. It was fun and interesting to watch. BUT I consider this whole new prequel trilogy to be an alternative universe that hasn't "really" happened. In my prime Star Wars universe, the characters live happily ever after Return of the Jedi and the ultra silly FIRST ORDER, RESISTANCE and SUPREME LEADER SNOKE never come to be in the first place. Because they're all lame ideas. But I blame J.J. and TFA for that. Last Jedi had garbage to work with and it did the best it could with that crap.

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Sometime when you make a tiny Mistake you can either leave it be and just roll with it because its tiny, or you can try and patch it up at the risk of making it uglier and more noticeable to the point where it ruins everything on a larger scale. My guess is, they should just let this be as is.

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Personally I find the idea that your parents had to be someone for you to be special to be offensive. You cannot choose your parents, your success shouldn't be linked to whom they are/were. Granted that is naive. Parents make a huge difference in your opportunity, parental wealth is probably the singular biggest indicator of child success, but if Star wars wanted to go the chosen one route like that because it's more realistic then they should just out and say it and make the only people who succeed in their universe be the ones whose parents buy them the best light sabers and hire the best jedi tutors. .

Or you know, leave Rey's parents as nobodies.

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@UnderSeven: You find it offensive that there is a movie series based on a particular family? There are many Jedi in Star Wars that were extremely powerful and have no relation to any Skywalker. Star Wars 1-7 were about the Skywalker family. Rey should have been a part of that. Doesn't mean only Skywalkers can be important/cool/powerful.

The Last Jedi was just an awful movie, and trashed nearly everything great about Star Wars. Half of the fans feel this way, the other half say its an "alt right" conspiracy and all just negative bot posts. Thats insanity. There is no question, many many fans were extremely disappointed. We are all entitled to our opinions of course.

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@alvisj: I'm talking about general distaste toward chosen one stories. I do not think it is an alt-right conspiracy, but I obviously vehemently disagree with you too.

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@alvisj: Yes, many fans were disappointed, but many fans were not. To say the other half think it's an alt right conspiracy is just idiotic. As you put it, that's insanity.

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That would be a catastrophic mistake. Having her parents be nobody made her her own unique entity instead of being yet another endless link in the Skywalker saga. Leave it be.

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@PyreofKoL: Maybe if she had any personality whatsoever beyond being a perfect Mary Sue girl power role model, we could call Rey a "unique entity". As it is, she's a derivative and entirely forgettable female super hero.

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For the sake and integrity of this franchise JJ Abrams needs to not do a sequel to Last Jedi but do a remake of it instead.

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@ballashotcaller: I get what you're saying, and while I would love for The Last Jedi to have been completely different, I don't think it's something that can be re-done at this point. JJ Abrams can hopefully salvage some of the story, although for me at least, The Last Jedi literally killed every single character story line I cared about. There really is nothing left, so Abrams and the writers will have to get creative! Maybe thats a blessing in disguise? Hope so.

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@alvisj: The movie was done so badly that the only thing that can save it is adding time travel or making it all a dream. both of which are too cheesy and easy escape route as well as not fitting the Star Wars universe lore.

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I was much more interested in Snoke's origin and how he came in touch with Kylo, but that's tragically down the sink now. I never want to watch a movie with "Rian Johnson" anywhere in it in my life again.

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@Reuwsaat: Join the club.

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@Reuwsaat: Completely agree. I was a huge fan of Looper, but Rian Johnson should NEVER be allowed near another Star Wars movie again. They shouldn't even let him rent one to watch at home.

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I said to my brother, Kylo Ren could have been lying to try and turn Rey to the dark side. Would be a great twist if she turns.

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@csward: I'm sad for humanity that so few people have considered this.

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@therightclique: A lot of us have said that from the beginning. Ultimately, fans will debate everything for two years, and then when the last movie comes out they'll get up in arms again because the movie still won't be what they made it out to be in their head.

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I don't get why people want so badly for Rey to be one of the previous MCs' child. Highly influential people are not always born from other highly influential people. Sometimes, heck, many times they come from 'normal' parents.

Although having her be from a force heavy lineage would help to explain why she learns so quickly, I think it cheapens the plot overall.

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@wicked_laugh: Its ok for a story to be based around one family. That doesn't mean there are no other important/powerful/cool Jedis in the story. Making Rey a random "nobody", means why the heck did we watch the other 7 movies?? TLJ is NOT a sequel to the Skywalker saga, its just a random sci-fi movie.

If it had been just a random sci-fi movie, I'd say "oh, that was cool", but as a Star Wars movie, it was absolutely horrible.

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@alvisj: The Skywalker storyline ended when Luke redeemed Anakin to the light side. Do we really need a Skywalker in every Star Wars movie to make it work?

Yeah, the Skywalkers are important, and much of the story revolves around them, but I welcome the end of the Skywalker Bloodline.

Anakin and Luke are dead, Leia never really awakened her powers, which leaves Kylo Ren as the last one with Skywalker Blood in the Universe. Unless Ren turns to the Light side or him and Rey make whoopee to ensure there is another generation of Skywalkers, then the line ends when Kylo Ren dies.

Which I hope happens. Let the Skywalker storyline finally end with Rey restoring the Jedi Order that Anakin helped destroy so long ago.

Have the next trilogy focus on other Jedi besides the Skywalker family.

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@alvisj: TLJ has another Skywalker in it that you're forgetting about, and he'll be in the next one.

Calm down.

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@wicked_laugh: you answered your own question: because it would explain how she managed to stand toe to toe with Kylo, a fighter who had had been trained by both Luke and Snoke, with practically zero training

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@gvt2000: So the biggest reason why she should be a Skywalker is to fix a single plot hole? Also, the Skywalker vs Skywalker storyline was already done, why re-visit it? Doesn't space have other stories to tell?

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@wicked_laugh: Who said anything about Rey HAVING to be a SKywalker? She could be Obi Wan's grand daughter (Rey Kenobi?) or even a descendant of Darth Plaeguis who had too much light in her, sort of a Yin to Kylo's Yang

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@gvt2000: She couldn't have been a daughter of Obi-Wan, as his adherence to the Jedi Code was pretty strict.

Another light-to-dark or dark-to-light storyline?

Why does she need any blood connection to any previous MC what-so-ever? She can be just a completely new player on the field, which happens all the time in grand plots.

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@wicked_laugh: Because having her be as strong as someone with bloodline AND training without a proper explanation is poor storytelling.

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