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Confirmed: 400,000 PS3s for US launch

[UPDATE 5] US Sony reps confirm scaled-down November 17 debut; Japan to get only 100,000 on November 11. Worldwide 2006 ship target now 2-2.4 million units--1-1.2 million of which will be for North America.

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This morning in Tokyo, Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi announced that only 500,000 PlayStation 3s would be available in the US and Japan at launch, and that the console's European debut had been pushed back until 2007.

Of the 500,000 launch PS3s, 100,000 will go on sale in Japan on November 11, and 400,000 will hit store shelves in North America on November 17. "We decided to focus on the Japanese and US markets," Kutaragi told reporters at a Tokyo press conference before apologizing for the delay, according to the Associated Press. Reuters echoed the numbers and said that Kutaragi had lowered the worldwide 2006 PS3 shipment target from 4 million to 2 million.

When initially contacted by GameSpot about today's PS3 news, Sony reps said only that the company had "not announced specific ship numbers for Japan or North America." They also said that, despite the European delay and the reports of reduced shipment numbers, the previous estimates still stood. "[We] have announced that 2 million will be available in the world come November 11 and 17, and 4 million by the end of the calendar year," said a spokesperson.

However, later in the day, Dave Karraker, SCEA's newly appointed head of corporate communications, told GameSpot that the wire-service figures were correct. "400,000 is just the day-of-launch figure," said the executive. "1 to 1.2 million units [will be] available in North America by December 31." This afternoon, Karraker confirmed the reduced international numbers to The Rocky Mountain News. "Worldwide, there will be between 2 to 2.4 million units available in North America and Japan by the end of the year," he said.

Karraker also claimed that, while reduced, the US PS3 launch numbers bested those of another next-generation console. "By the end of the year, we will have...more than double what Microsoft sold through of Xbox 360 [in 2005]." He reiterated this sentiment to MTV News. "The supply we have at launch is comparable to what was available for the PlayStation 2, not Xbox 360," said Karraker. "The total allocation for units in North America...is just less than what we had for PS2 and more than Microsoft had for Xbox 360."

Both the PS2's October 2000 launch and the 360's November 2005 debut were plagued by widespread sellouts, long lines, and occasional scuffles at US retailers. Sony estimates it had around 500,000 PS2s available day of launch. By contrast, NPD reported that Microsoft sold around 326,000 units by the end of November 2005. However, the hard-to-find next-gen console moved just another 281,000 units during December, bringing the 2005 total to around 607,000 units--half the number of PS3s Sony believes it will sell this year in North America.

Speaking to MTV News, Karraker urged calm among prospective PS3 purchasers. "People shouldn't fixate on the day-one allocation number," Karraker he said. "They should instead be more interested in the overall units available through the holidays, which will be 1 million to 1.2 million, which are significant amounts that will provide retail supply week over week with no dips in available stock." This was likely a veiled reference to the fact that many 360 retailers did not have the console in stock for weeks--or months--after it went on sale.

Though the flurry of various launch figures was initially confusing, one thing has always been perfectly clear. Sony is officially sticking to its original PS3 sales estimates for its current fiscal year, which ends on March 31, 2007. "The previously announced PlayStation 3 shipment forecast of 6 million units globally within the fiscal year ending 2007 is not changed," the company said in a statement issued early this morning.

Karraker also offered an explanation for the PS3's European delay and US-Japanese supply problems. "The PlayStation 3 is a revolutionary, as well as evolutionary, product. If we were simply putting out PlayStation 2.1, it would be much easier to hit a worldwide launch," he said. "As it was, Ken Kutaragi set very ambitious goals for the PS3, based on what he felt we could achieve. The simple fact is that many of the components for the PS3, particularly the blue laser diode, had never been produced on a mass scale before."

The blue laser diode is a critical component of the high-capacity Blu-ray Disc drive that is at the center of the PS3. Sony is pushing the cutting-edge format, which can hold up to 50GB on a single-layered disc, to be the high-definition successor to the DVD format. Microsoft is backing a rival format, HD-DVD, and will offer an external HD-DVD drive this fall.

But for all of Blu-ray's promise, manufacturing players for the format has proven more than a little problematic. In February, Sony hinted blue laser diode production problems could delay the PS3 from its then-scheduled Spring 2007 launch. The new November launch date was confirmed at Sony's Electronic Entertainment Expo press conference in May, the same month Sony announced the US launch of the Blu-ray format had been pushed back. Meanwhile, in July, several Taiwanese business newspapers, including the Commercial Times, reported that Sony was falling behind in production of blue laser diodes, although Sony would not confirm those reports.

Analysts were swift in their response to the PS3 news. UBS's Michael Wallace predicted the delay could have an alarming ripple effect with third-party publishers. "We also think this delay could cause some of our companies to push some of their PS3 games out until March 2007 to take advantage of a larger installed base," he said in a statement. "We note that Activision (three launch titles), Electronic Arts (four to five launch titles), and Take-Two (three titles by January 2007) currently have the greatest exposure to the PS3 at launch, so they could be impacted the most by this delay."

Today's PS3 developments caused Wedbush Morgan Securities' Michael Pachter to lower his entire US annual software sales estimate--just issued yesterday--from three percent growth to two percent. He also tweaked his European annual game-sales estimate from one percent growth to a one percent loss. "Our prior forecast assumed that Sony would ship 2.3 million PS3s to the US and Europe in 2006," said Pachter. "Our revised forecast assumes shipments of 1.5 million to the US (unchanged) and zero to Europe (down from 800,000)."

Needless to say, the PS3's delay and any supply issues will be a boon to Sony's rivals, Nintendo and Microsoft. "There will undoubtedly be some 'substitution effect' from lower PS3 shipments, with a portion of the shortfall offset by higher sales of PlayStation 2, Xbox 360, and Wii hardware and software," Pachter said. "We have not adjusted our model to reflect this substitution...but we suspect that 25 to 50 percent of the shortfall in PS3 software sales (an estimated $124 million in Europe) will be offset by sales of software for the other platforms."

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OMFG ALL OF YOU STUPID XBOX FANBOYS STOP TALKING IN HERE AND SAYING GO BUY A 360 HONESTLY...now im reading some pretty stupid things like the wii is crap..the 499 sony sucks...and sony this sony that just stop. no one cares, we buy what we like not what you like. and the 499 ps3 can run 1080p off of components.. and why do people who arent buying the system care about this? or is it that they dont even have an hdtv and just want a reason to talk..its a good deal for non hd gamers. i know you think im a fanboy cause of my name but this is an old name i made awhile ago and i dont feel like making a new one. point is we dont rip on the 360 and tell you buy a ps3 so stop doing it here. see i didnt make fun of xbox once or said go buy a ps3..lol

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i cant belive how many people say they're buying a ps3 just for mgs4!$600+ for an overrated game!im mean the first one was aight,but after that it just went to total crap.why dont you grow up and play some SC[the adult version of MGS]?which should be on all 3 systems in some form.

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huy11324 Well I have the day off from work (I had 54+ hours of vacation time to take off so I took off today and monday...a nice 4 day weekend) and while I am home watching TV I decided to check up on the forums..so now all of a sudden I am "at home in my parents basement"...I don't think so... I don't see what my life that has to do with the PS3 launch numbers or the correct 360 numbers..I also called him other stuff, but I guess you saw fit to single me out and point your discern towards me...still I don't see what bearing my personal life has or should have in this matter. I guess that was the only way you felt you could make yourself look good...attack me personally and insult me even though I did nothing to you...again why is that? Are we over compensating for something? Funny, I don't recall saying anything to you or about you before you posted to me. Why are you singling me out from everyone else? That I would like to know...jealous are we? (why else you wouldn't resort to blatant personal attacks?) You know, after rereading your post it does seem you are blatantly attacking without provication....why would that be? Almost like a...*GASP*...fanboy.. And as far as knowing the prices for the 360 and such, well it HAS been out for almost a year (neither the price nor specs have changed), I am a gamer, and this is a gaming forum. I ALSO know a pretty good bit about the PS3 (well as much as Sony is letting out anyway)...but that doesn't seem to faze you does it, nor do you bother to make mention of it..hmmm... (not a fanboy are we?) Think what you will and say what you will. I don't like being attacked personally for correcting someone whose bias FAR outweighs MY own, yet you jump all over my back... (what, did he not lift the seat when he left your house this morning?) (Also, you DO realize had he not been such as a$$ that my comment would've been far less rude, right?) Regardless, you're bound to try to make me look bad by making up comments and things about me that you know nothing about, only to make yourself look good, or if nothing else to make yourself feel better about yourself.. Whatever man, Kevin legionosh@msn.com

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Heh, won't surprise me one bit if North America gets delayed also. Honesly though it doesn't bother me that much since I am not getting one (nor do I plan to for a looooong time) but I have to agree, 400,000 units in North America, 100,000 in Japan and none in Europe till next year is hardly a "launch". Personally, I think that Sony is trying too hard to shove Blu-Ray down our throats when no one is ready for it, I mean DVD players have only been mainstream and affordable for a few years, I can't imagine the hordes of people who have just bought one in the last couple of years are going to jump ship to a new format so soon, particularly a format that alledgedly has so many god damn restrictions on what you can do with it. When Blu-Ray players launched here in Canada in June for $1,300 I immediately thought "who the hell would buy that thing?" And I am quite sure I am not alone. Sony would have been better off scrapping the Blu-Ray for now and saving it for PS4, maybe by then the technology will be affordable to produce. Oh wait I forgot, Sony will no doubt invent some kind of proprietary holographic "green-ray" or some other BS storage medium for the PS4 that will compete with whatever the mainstream storage medium is at that time, and expect everyone to suck that up. We've seen it in the past... BetaMax, MiniDisc, ATRAC3/ATRAC3Plus, MemoryStick, UMD... none of them have been successful at overthrowing mainstream formats, why should the Blu-Ray break tradition?

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huy11324 Fanboy? Hardly...I don't appreciate your insinuation of my comments being BS though...kinda sorta tiks me off, but I'll bother replying to that. Fan? Yeah, sure I like my 360 but I do NOT go around mindlessly bashing the PS3, or any other console for that matter. That is the defacto definitation of a fanboy. Don't really see how you can call me a fanboy.. If you reread my posts you'll see I have logic behind everything I post, and VERY seldomly is it an outright attack against anyone or anything (besides Sonys arrogance and seemingly endless supply of lies, changes, etc). Most of the time I do what you see below : correct the SONY fanboys with facts against their biased rants. Occasinally I may make a mistake but I do try to be thorough and correct in my information. How does that make me a fanboy? Also, if you read all of my posts you'll see I am seldom rude to anyone, but even I get peeved at the sometimes idiotic statements and I respond accordingly. And in regards to building a PC. I have an Athlon 64 3200+ (the 1MB cache socket 754 variety..OC'd to 2.3GHz) with 1GB DDR PC3200 OCZ, 2x80GB SATA RAID 0 with another 80GB PATA for data backup and DVD burner. My old video card went to my son so he could play games on his, so I've got his FX5200...(yeah ugh)..lol. Come tax time, barring unforseen expenses, I plan on building a dual core system (still debating between Core 2 Duo and an AMD X2, price and availablity with determine that but the core 2 duos look really nice), along with 2GB DDR2 (hopefully PC-800) and I'll get around 400-500GB (hopefully more) of storage, a faster DVD burner and either a fast DX9 PCI express video card or HOPEFULLY a DX10 PCI-E video card.. I think most 360 games look nice. Some look less then special but the 2nd gen of games are looking better and better. Of course as always with a new system the games tend to look better along the life of a console. I expect the 360 to be no different. I can't see how you can say the games look the same as on XBOX, but I guess people see what they want to see. (new systems do take getting used to as far as learning the hardware goes...so games should get better looking as time goes on) I think part of the problem is that people expect the kind of graphical leap we saw from PS1 to PS2 with every generation. We are at the point where we will see less and less of a leap with every new generation. Besides the launch system I haven't really heard of any more lockups other than maybe the usual 1-2% normal failure rate of electronic devices. And I would be willing to bet that the launch PS3s will be no different (there has never really been a CD based system that didn't have errors on some launch units)..besides how many people to this day complain about being on their 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th PS2? Anyway thats my 2 cents, kevin legionosh@msn.com

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Once again Sony never ceases to amaze me.....

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you know what this means? PS3 for $2000 on ebay....

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LegionOSH a little tip for the future, if ur gonna tell people like hunandras to get a life, dont sit and stare at the forums making a new post every 10 minutes, AND saying the exact specs and prices for x360 and ps3, looks like YOU need to get a life. He's probably at work while u sit in ur parents basement reading about games and talking on forums all day.

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Well, I'll be waiting in line come November - to pick up my copy of Gears of War, as will about 1,000,000 of my closest friends...

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So microsoft did release faster and cheaper, But alot of the systems have unexplained lockups, and the graphics look the same as xbox (ninja gaiden acctually looks better on my xbox than most of 360 games, except oblivion) The ps3 just keeps digging its own grave deeper and deeper, with the price and delays, but they have some good looking games on their lineup, some of which microsoft will try to steal, because the games for 360 out right now have mine sitting in the corner collecting dust.(thought saints row online was gonna change that but turns out ive seen better online setups for my NES emulator) Feel the same way as i do? Then here's what you need to do. Throw your 360 in the garbage, build yourself a nice powerful pc with the new conroe processors, grab a nintendo wii when it comes out, and you will have plenty of games to keep you busy until the price of ps3 goes down, ez as 123.

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i love how every1 is just ripping on each other shows me some quality entertainment ..................... ps3 better b worth the wait o and btw pwned is not a word and its not funny its owned get it right

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The PS3 is delayed in for Europe AGAIN. And again shortages of components for the machine is the cause. I believe for the ps2 or the XBOX 360 had the same problem. Sony TAKE OVER a laser unit factory in Europe to create those extra blue ray laser units, and mabey creating some extra jobs for those people, one economy saved. Or quit making laser units for weapons and converting them into blue ray laser units for entertainment instead of death and destruction.

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t_walk1 Thanks my man. That post was ruder than what I usually am, but the guy really had it coming..lol... I will do my best to keep things unbiased and as factual as I can (hey we call make mistakes and I make them on a daily basis..lol).. Anyway I am glad some people read my posts and appreciate the effort, logic and facts behind them. :-) Kevin legionosh@msn.com

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oh, no! PS3 sucks again!

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ShadoweaverCode ***LegionOSH - howdy man, nice post you really pwned that idiot HunAndras1984, lol gj keeping the streets clean mate.*** Hey Shadow...thanks for the props.. ;-) You know all I "really" did was correct his mistakes. it isn't like I set out to try to own anybody, but if someone is going to try and bash at least get your facts somewhat straight first.. ..nothing is worse than a fanboy trying the bash the system he/she hates with info thats 180% incorrect..lol.. Thanks again shadow, kevin legionosh@msn.com

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HAHAHA OMG PWN'D Funny how we haven't heard back from HunAndras1984 after LegionOSH set it straight. Great post man, I love readin your stuff. Always cold and concise never flamin or one sided, keep it comin man oh I just have to say it again PWN'd hahaha

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I prolly won't be camping out for launch or even the 2nd shipment. It would be nice if I could get it in time for xmas (parents paying for about 1/3 of it.) But maybe I'll just pickup Gears of War I pre-ordered and wait till xmas to play it. I think what's more important than how many are available on launch day is how many more shipments they can get in before xmas. If it's like the 360, where there was hardly any coming in week after week, then it will be a pretty rough holiday launch.

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Good thing i pre-ordered

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LegionOSH - howdy man, nice post you really pwned that idiot HunAndras1984, lol gj keeping the streets clean mate.

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Wow Sony is making itself into a mess, I just hope they make games like dmc4 and mgs4 for the xbox360 as well, because im not sure if I can trust their hardware anymore, but if anything this news is gold for the Wii.

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Wii is a must, but 360 is shaping up pretty well too, even if it did have a very messy launch. No interesting games on 360 that I can't play on my pc yet though...

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you guys are funny at first, but then it gets pathetic. why argue. you won't convince each other anyways.

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How about everyone just chill.... I mean who cares. Seriously, if you have the money... good, by all means buy the damn system. If you don't and would like to own one, then wait awhile until the price drop. If you like x360 over ps3, then go get the 360. If you like them both and have the money then get both. If you like Wii go get that... otherwise go get a good PC. If you are not a gamer, you shouldn't be on this site. Don't worry about what other people are getting or doing. Chances are you'll never meet them in person, ever... So why don't everyone just mind their own business. You don't have to sit here and argue about it. Its your life and your money do whatever you want with it.

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ok so.. by how you are talking and say how much you make... it sounds like you make good money, but do you live alone, and pay bills, and utilities well the pas few months Ive been making a little over 1000 bucks monthly, but as for the stupidity and the facts part I did not really care about that, I could have looked up that info on a site, and just typed is all down or copy and paste it, but its really not that important... I was just messing around.. the negetivity does not bother me at all, I like all the new gen consoles.. I did not mean to offend anyone who read my posts

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For you even to judge how much i make is not ok. I could tell you how much i make, but you wouldn't believe it, as you havent believed any facts placed before you today.

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well I planned on getting the one for $600... see you really dont think before you speak.. and you are a poorer gamer, your probably not even getting a ps3, for one Im not poor, I pay for all my things, you know nothing about being poor, your parent probly buy the majority of the things you own, like how much of the money you actuall work for, I mean have a job and worked for the money..Im not poor at all so there is not way I can get poorER if I and not poor already

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Well have fun being 600$ poorer! Im sure Sony loves people like you!

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you are the ignorant one, I reposted that just to see if you would read it, I made a quick remark at the top because i knew you would read it, so you made a jackass out of your self.. I did not even look up that junk..... turdburglar...LOL

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ssjtrunks6 "If its not an official sony or playstation site, I dont bother with those kind of sites " You choose to be ignorant then, my friend. This is from << LINK REMOVED >>, the actual playstation website. "Both solutions include Blu-ray Disc the latest in high-definition* video, Bluetooth, four USB ports, 1080p video, and the advanced microprocessor, the Cell Broadband Engine. The difference between them, however, is that the $599 system includes HDMI**, Memory Stick/SD/CompactFlash slots, Wi-Fi***, and a 60GB hard disk drive (HDD), whereas the $499 system comes with a 20GB HDD." See, it even says the 599$ has HDMI, Memory sitcks slots and 60gb hdd while the 499$ doesn't. You should check your sources before you buy into the propaganda spewed by all members of the video game console wars.

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lol, this really is entertaining.. i like doctorfu.. he makes sense based on fact and not bias... hunandras1984 seems convinced that he is not a moron.. ok then i forgive him for not doing the research. its really retarded and childish to be arguing about how much horsepower the systems have... at the end of the day, the point is to have fun playing the games we like. isnt it? anyway, did u guys hear about the 2 guys who killed themselves after sony broke the news? one from europe and the other form the us..(i think) anyway, the european guy hanged himself with jis ps2 controller cable.. sad truly, can't understand why..

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HunAndras1984 Sigh, another fanboy who can do nothing but talk out of is a$$ because he only sees what he wants to see, but that's typical.. First...Sonys OWN words were that the "BASIC online service would be free", meaning that it's almost a guarantee (and I'd bet money on it) that there wll be a NON BASIC service that would costs...gee just like XBOX SILVER (free) and GOLD ($49 a year). Silver lets you do anything online except play games (but MMOs like FFXI CAN be played on SILVER accounts).. Second...where did the $140 a year for XBOX online come from? What kind of FANBOY crack are you on? $49 a year. Bottom line. Eat it moron. Third...An XBOX 360 premium package cost $399, not the $499 you so boldly claimed. Where the heck are you getting your numbers from anyway, the "PS3 Fanboy XBOX 360 haters club?"... Fourth...It was $399 on LAUNCH day for the premium and $299 for the core system. It has NEVER been the $699 you so wrongly stated. Some stores had BUNDLES on launch day true (but that did NOT change the fact that the PREMIUM system itself was $399 and the CORE was $299)...but if you think stores won't jump at the change to bundle the PS3 with anything you are SERIOUSLY fooing yourself my friend. Expect to see BUNDLES in the $1000 price range IF NOT HIGHER...siily, silly, fanboy... Fifth...as far as the Wii, Nintendo THEMSELVES have stated that they don't have a next gen console per say. Their goal was to create a new and intuitive gameplay experience, and a lot of people seem to think they may have succeeded. Next please.. Sixth..as far as blu-ray goes, yes it can hold more (25GB single layer, 50GB dual layer VS the 9.x GB of stanard DVDs used for 360 games). You at least got this one sort of right (although it still seems you got your numbers off of a PS3 LOVE cereal box.. Maybe the extra storage will come in handy, maybe not. Games are expensive enough as it is to make (with big titles going into the multiple MILLIONS of dollars) Making them bigger will only INCREASE the cost of the game. Not to mention Blu-Ray disc seem to scratch if you even look at them funny, despite sonys attempts to coat them to prevent scratching.. You seem to be one of the guys who think that Blu-Ray = MAGICAL GAMING EXPERIENCE..guess what? It's about 400X easier to make a bad game on Blu-Ray than it is a GOOD game (that holds true for any storage medium my friend)...ALL it is, is just extra storage space. it would be nice if people like you didn't act like "OMFG!! Blu-Ray IS GONNA PWN!!!!!"...get a clue and a life.. Also, if having games on Blu-Ray means that the game prices could be as high as $70-$80 (which has been a rampant rumor all over the internet) is having games on Blu-Ray worth it? $60 games are bad enough. Do we really need them to get even more expensive? Maybe next time you could use some some of your HATRED for the 360 to at least TRY to get some numbers right, I know that the PS3 is good tech for the money, but I simply replied to your hate post to get your obviously skewed numbers in line. My $5.46 cents, kevin legionosh@msn.com P.S. Now let's see if you reply with the typical HATE/NAME CALLING reply post....

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If its not an official sony or playstation site, I dont bother with those kind of sites and yes people do play the ps1 games still, like the people that still own alot of ps1 games, they dont just get rid of them all the time, they will play them on their ps2, or now the ps3 when if comes out if they get one, and sonys online play is not as expensive at microsofts, so as long as you keep spending money on those $50 memberships they will equal over the price of the ps3, and I own all the last gen consoles, and the 360 I know all what i can do, and Im already bored of if, I owned if for almost 3 months, and I was not calling HunAndras1984 a moron, I was saying that the people that were critisizing him dont look at personal details much, they keep say stuff like hes retarded and he probly graduated already and they keep saying stuff about him when they are looking stupid... and first I dont really care about the little details that I left out, its still more than the wii, and the360 has, so get off my case.. i did not ask for another opinion, oh and yeah I own all sonys game consoles all of them still work, and I have more games for those than any other because they have the best variety of games...mainly games rated M and that is my reason for liking the ps3 the most, and not just its specs.. chill with that copy past method that just prove you dont know how to paraphrase, and you too did not learn enough in school, and you probly cheated on reports..also you are not ever developed for life.. your proving it my still living with your parent so.. how bout you live your own life, and then talk smack about people older than you, Im 18 but yeah I live my own life.......I really hope you didnt read all this.... I was seeing how far I can pull a jack ass without a rope......you suckerhahhahah!!!

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Not surprised at all, seeing as how there were numerous reports stating that Sony hadn't started manufacturing the console yet.

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yeah ssjtrunks is nuts...first of all backwards compatability? when was the last time you played a PS1 game? Probably a month or two after the PS2 came out. The only game people really want to play on their 360 is Halo and that is one of the "limited" backwards compatible titles...Secondly how do you know the PS3 isn't going to have glitches and freezing problems? It is a more complex machine than the 360 and has had more delays due to technical issues than the 360 and I'm sure more than the wii as well...even though we know nothing about the wii. I'll agree with you that HunAndras1984 is a moron and has no idea what he is talking about...Xbox live costs $50 a year there buddy which means you get four years of online play until it adds up to what the PS3 costs. Also the 360 never cost 700 bucks...you're retarded. Also just so hunandras knows the difference between the DVD and BluRay...DVD carries somewhere around 9-10 gigs and the BluRay disk carries about 50. so next time get your facts straigh and don't be a retard Hun.

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ssjtrunks6 "Just let the haters hate, they wont be the ones with the best performing new gen console.. they only do that to get a rise out of the people with the money to afford a ps3, and they act like the ps3 has one bundle when if has a $499 and a $599 bundle, the only difference the one with 20 GB harddrive, and other with 60 GB, ntm the full compatablilty that both the ps3 bundles have, while the xbox360 is stuck with the limited backwards compatability, freezing problems, glitches, and all other sorts of bad things those guys that keep talking about HunAndras1984 must be stupid... this guy is probly done with school... this shows that you never think before youspeak yall know nothing about anything...yall just keep talking about things that yall have no interest of (ps3), so why are yall in this board and yall are not getting a ps3 you have not business here yall are just kids with no goals" Actually hotshot, the *cheap* 499$ wont have the hdmi outputs, memory card slots, or built in Wi-Fi so get your facts straight. Heres one reference, I have many more, << LINK REMOVED >>, look at the 499$ to 599$ comparison chart. And since your great PS3 is non-modular compared to the 360, your stuck without these features forever. Have fun! *sarcasm*

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Just let the haters hate, they wont be the ones with the best performing new gen console.. they only do that to get a rise out of the people with the money to afford a ps3, and they act like the ps3 has one bundle when if has a $499 and a $599 bundle, the only difference the one with 20 GB harddrive, and other with 60 GB, ntm the full compatablilty that both the ps3 bundles have, while the xbox360 is stuck with the limited backwards compatability, freezing problems, glitches, and all other sorts of bad things those guys that keep talking about HunAndras1984 must be stupid... this guy is probly done with school... this shows that you never think before youspeak yall know nothing about anything...yall just keep talking about things that yall have no interest of (ps3), so why are yall in this board and yall are not getting a ps3 you have no business here yall are just kids with no goals

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... i have no intentions of getting a ps3,360 or a wii(god forbid!)...i will stick with my humble pc...gamers come to the other side!!!!!! ^_^

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HunAndras1984 must have flunked out of school to play Tekken full-time because he can't "do the math." Your facts are all wrong. XBOX LIVE is $50 a year, not $140; XBOX 360 was $400 at launch, not $699. Two years of xbox live-$100 plus one premium xbox-$400 equals $500. 50+50+400=500. All that for $100 cheaper than a PS3. So quit playing Tekken Tag, Go back to school, and Buy an XBOX 360. You probably can't even spell playstation 3.

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lol..HunAndras, I hope you're first in line for your little PS3. I don't recall when the 360 was ever $699, though. BTW we get it, this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! means you're excited about something or other.

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awwwww are u that angry that u want PS3 to be the winner, still its just a console that happened to be a PS2 with a new coat and new PCU which has improved grafics....... yeh yeh its alot more powerful than PS2 and the rest. Dont blame 360 its just as fun + dont blame nintendo, its sales is alot better than sonys gaming industry right now, wen u get ur PS3 will u then be happi? Have fun with ur PS3 =D (dont spit at microsoft or nintendo plz)

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Not a total shocker but I have to say that is Some News !! Wow !

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HunAndras1984: "First of all, all of you keep on complaining about the price that the PS3 has and saying that the 360 is a better choice because it's cheaper. Gues what! Online gaming will be free on the PS3 and it's about $140 on the 360 per year. So do some math....360 --> 499+tax. on that add just two years of online play...that's about 280+. so what you'll get? Ahhhh....so PS3 is a better choice and comes out cheaper at the end. On and by the way when 360 came out....it WAS FOD DAMN $699!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys seam to forgot that huh??? oh...and one thing about that nintendo **** sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why would I buy that crap that they try to sell as a next gen console when it's not much better than my PS2???? That doesn't make any sence. PS3 has the best graphic's comes out cheaper, has the best games. PS3 is the winner of the console wars. That's clear. On more thing. A blu-ray disc can hold what?? 30-35gigs of stuff. How much can the 360's disc hold???? 15gigs at tops???? lol....stupid microsoft!!!" Man HunAndras are you misinformed. Why don't you try and make some sense with your non-facts also? You think that Sony is really going to give you free online gaming? HAHA! What a joke! I know I'm not the first to see Sony's pattern. Lie about everything! There's no way they can provide an excellent online environment with voice messaging, online downloads, online play, video chat, Downloadable content, gamewide Gamertags, and it still be free. Sony's not the salvation army here. This is what's gonna happen: Two months after the "release" of PS3 they will start to charge a fee. Either that or the PS3 will come with a similar deal to the 360 (free online play for 2-6 months). Also, say you haven't bought the 360 yet (why not?), if you buy it when PS3 finally releases you will pay 100 dollars less (then the original price). So that brings the 2 years of XBOX LIVE and the console itself to be less than the PS3. Also, when the 360 came out there were many different versions of the 360 that didn't cost 700 dollars. Nintendo doesn't suck (look at the GBA and the DS!). Why would you buy a Wii?? How about every game Nintendo ever made (and then a ton more)?!?? Not to mention the motion sensitive num-chuck is brilliant and innovative! Innovative ideas like Nintendo's only helps progress the industry. You know PS3 wouldn't have motion sensitive controllers if Wii didn't have it. It wouldn't have a hard drive if the original XBOX didn't use it so well (FF11 for PS2; enough said) It wouldn't have wireless controllers if the 360 didn't come out with it first (with the crappiest battery life I've ever heard - my 4 year old mp3 player gets better battery life off AA's.) Also, no rumble? WTF. There's been rumble since the N64 and the "technology" has been perfected twice over since then. BTW, blu-ray discs can hold up to 50 gigs if they're dual-layered but that won't be fully utilized by devs for 2-3 years. Oh, and before you claim that I'm a "Microsoft Fanboy", I own both a 360 and a PS2. Sorry for such a long post but maybe you'll get your facts straight next time HunAndras.

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This is classic. Everyone complained about the one million 360 launch shortage, and now Sony is only launching with 500,000?. What happened to two million? Comon Sony. Get your big behinds in gear so your hopefully good console gets out to the market. aaahhhhh.

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well i think i can still get one at launch..as for 2 thats not happening. sony delayed to europe because they have more gamers in the US and Japan..even though there are millions in europe they have to get it to the 2 main areas..now when will the wii come out

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To the people who defend the PS3 by saying "Competition is good for business": guess what? Competition is exactly the reason why these decisions of Sony's are likely to knock em down a few notches in the so-called, overblown "next-gen war." Oh, so your system is $200 more than the 360 (and probably $400 more than the Wii), comes out a year later for Americans and even later than that for Euros in a big "screw you" move that's bound to cost them some continental loyalty, "boasts" expensive technology that probably won't even be exploited by game developers, has very few good exclusives, etc etc etc. No, I don't think this will "kill" Sony, and I'm not all personally gunning for their death, but however they spin it, these don't seem like smart moves.

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GUYS !!! this is so dumb !! 360 is the 1 to buy !! wat is the damn difference to pay so much more money for the damn sony ps3!! they do exactly the same thing !! ive looked at both of theyre graphics both are gr8 but the 360 is cheaper !! and u can get the 360 b4 the ps3 so more fun !!

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Too many problems with the ps3 big or small, this system will not be able to compete against the other 2. Sorry Fanboys but it aint happenin with a 600 dollar price tag on it, and when they admited the fact that their games are not taking advantage of the blueray right now, just means you will have games just like the 360, well of course they have the same graphical power, it will just be a longer game but oh no it wont be!! Sony is dead and has been dead too me since mine died a couple years ago.

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