Feedbackula - Wii U War Waging!

This week on The Point, Danny asked whether the Wii U was a failure. Some of you didn't like that, so Johnny couldn't resist sticking his oar in.

Discussion

509 comments
drwhoiscool
drwhoiscool

... Same problem as the Vita.  Why sell an expensive piece of hardware that needs Mandatory memory upgrades to use it & have the majority of games for little bratty kids who don't have jobs...  lazy kids.  Get A Job. 

naruto945
naruto945

Yo is your last name really fucking Chiodini??? Thats fucking Boss as Fuck! Goddamn that sounds like a cool ass name. Like who doesnt wanna be called "Mr. Chiodini"

L_ninyo07
L_ninyo07

If Shuhei Yoshida of Sony, one of the faces of Playstation, has faith in Nintendo and even owns 2 Wii U's and a Wii, why shouldn't we? If Nintendo just went bankrupt, the console gaming world would be in huge trouble.

That would mean that the 3DS, witch is now highly successful, would be a "dead handheld walking" and handheld gaming would collapse and retire to Android and iOS. Sony likely wouldn't be able to hold it up on there own, but would not give up on it without a fight. On the console front, both Sony and Microsoft would start to feel the after shock shortly after and talks about "the death of console gaming" would be more present than ever. There would even be less creativity. I mean, come on, even through Sony made Remote Play, Nintendo is the reason Sony went back and made it soo much better on the PS4 and why we now have these 2nd screen experiences. I could go on but ill leave it at that for now.

TL,DR, we NEED Nintendo. They are competition even if they are doing bad. No comp. means less creativity and less business.

AlwaysRunning
AlwaysRunning

Nintendo needs to pack it in with the home consoles. When they were making a profit on them, it made sense, but now it doesn't. They lose money on every Wii U sold, they're not making money from publishing fees because all the publishers have fled, and the Wii U is becoming less desirable by the day, now that PS4/X1 have landed with family games, sports games, adult games, everything that your every day consumer is looking for. The only thing left is the Nintendo software itself. That's it. That software which is still mostly hopes, dreams and promises. That's not going to make up the losses from the whole hullabaloo of making a console. It's become a question of if the Wii U can even reach GameCube numbers, and the GameCube was not considered a success. Games are a lot more expensive to make today, compared to two generations ago. There is no way the Wii U can ever break even.

The portable market is still going strong for Nintendo, and they should put all their hardware effort into that space. Maintain it with care, for fear their (let's face it) main market of children switch to tablets/phones. Most kids I see around today aren't using a DS--they're on an iPad. If Nintendo loses this space as well, that will be some incredibly bad news. It's what is keeping them afloat.

They still make great console games, but people don't want to be saddled with an otherwise useless piece of hardware just to play the one or two great games they might release in a year. Put them on PlayStation and Xbox and watch them fly off the shelves! Put them on Steam and watch them sell forever!

It's been over a year, and you know how much space Wii U has in the game store I frequent most often? One shelf. One! And they have to position the boxes face-out, just to fill that much. It's a sunken ship, and only Nintendo can't see that.

nyran125tk
nyran125tk

lol a creepy uncle michael jackson ,LOL. 


conkertheking1
conkertheking1

thats five minutes of my life i'm never going to get back...

GreySeven
GreySeven

Toast?  Navy?   Naval toast?  Gross.

poochyena1986
poochyena1986

You know what would of been kind of cool for the Wii u. If it could play 3DS games. Giving it a another good selling point as well making it easy to stream game play on twitch 

Faye_Tallity
Faye_Tallity

LOL creepy uncle Michael Jackson! TOO TRUE!  : D

itchyflop
itchyflop

as always nintendo have brought a novel, slightly behind console, with a different look at gaming. Its all mar-mite isnt it, u either love it or you hate it. Personally iv always welcomed Nintendo quirkiness and originality. Lets hope the long established company continues to bring what they do best ofr a while longer


UKFX
UKFX

HAHA, creepy Uncle Michael Jackson. Hit the nail on the head!

I didn't really think of Nintendo like that, but their games selection is horrendous. I never had a Wii or Wii U, but I did have a DS Lite and a 3DS XL... both of which ended up barely being used and eventually being sold. The main reason for this was the limited selection of games.

The best games out there were the Mario and Zelda games and the "adult" games were mostly puzzle, or were only good unless you owned a Circle Pad Pro, which defeated the point of a single analogue stick device with touch controls. It was shortly after I tried the Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate demo on 3DS that I decided there was no real point in having one, because although the game was awesome, it relied solely on 3rd party peripherals to make it good. After scouting future launch titles, I quickly looked to eBay and someone ended up with bargain.

Nintendo have been riding the Mario train far too long.

Where is the creativity?

Oh, don't get me started on the Nintendo e-Shop either.

klugenbeel
klugenbeel

It's interesting that the guy with the "welcome to America, we're going to eat you alive comment" makes this comment...about a Japanese Console. The only console of the 3 that isn't Japanese is the Xbox. 

Wawas20
Wawas20

its funny danny gets hate but no one said anythng when he has picked on other things in the past. i agree with danny and i think they should do just handhelds 

FakeMythology
FakeMythology

Isn't Danny right though? Yes the Wii U isn't a poorly designed system, but numbers are an issue especially for a business. It came out ahead of other systems, yet not even a month into their releases Nintendo is behind that is a sign of a need for change. I love Mario, Smash Bros, and Mario Kart but frankly they are leaning on now aged franchises popular yes, but not really new. While both PS4 and Xbox One have a plethora of new games to draw in new and old players, like Titanfall for those shooter fans and Destiny for RPG lovers. There are simply more options with Sony and Microsoft. Also its weaker hardware it doesn't have the capabilities of the other next gen consoles which should not sound its funeral march, but progress has not been made by Nintendo in regards to new franchises and therein lies the problem in my own opinion . 

forbiddenmow
forbiddenmow

well, fair enough. my beef is that far too many games are childish when they try to be grown up. they're basically some idea of a game designers take on what 14 years olds think is grown up content. which is fine if you're 14 but if you've been gaming since the 80s or 90s then it's pretty annoying. like watching a Michael Bay movie. AC and recent COD games for example. i didn't like fallout so can't comment but witcher and LOU are examples where it's NOT juvenile, IMO.


at least with Nintendo there's no pretence at being grown up.

carloscanalesv
carloscanalesv

best bits were "the creepy uncle" & "the cannibal" comments.

fzzywarbles
fzzywarbles

I love all of the nuts on the internet. My own digital mental institution :)

Arther-la-Blunt
Arther-la-Blunt

Danny needs to clear up his critique of the Assassin's Creed series.

crognalsen
crognalsen

JRPGs don't seem to be that popular anymore.  For Nintendo and Super Nintendo most people brought those systems for JRPGs.  Games like Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc were an added bonus.  The big draw was games like Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest/Warrior, Sercret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, etc.  I still see some of those games for the DS and 3DS, but not so much for the Wii or Wii U.  The Wii only did well because it had a new gimmicky control system that caught on for a while, but isn't really that popular anymore.  The N64 never was popular because it didn't have good storage capacity with cartridges at the time.  Gamecube was ok, but couldn't compete much with other systems.  Perhaps they should stick with the handheld market and forget about consoles.  They seems to do best making SNES type games.  Not many Japanese games are being localized for the console systems for whatever reason.

locknuts84
locknuts84

Funny Feedbackula Johnny. I lol'd. Congratulations.

knowledgek
knowledgek

Wii U is right there with the ps4 and xbox one for me. I don't want any of them. None are anything special. Got my 360 and got wii for now.

Jcray21
Jcray21

Irish people are delicious.

iskaroth
iskaroth

Hardware or price is not the issue - its the games. I dislike cartoon style graphics, childish stories and platformers so there is no reason for me to buy Wii U.

penpusher
penpusher

The only real mistake Nintendo made with the Wii U was to release it before enough games were ready for it. I remember when the N64 came out, it had some great games at launch and then for ages, nothing. For ages. Why repeat the same mistake?


Also I think this "we aren't competing with MS and Sony" attitude is becoming dangerous. However Nintendo want to spin it they are competing with them, whether they like it or not. With that in mind they should have just invested in making the Wii U a bit more powerful (I know graphics don't make a game, but it helps with public perception, it didn't have to be an 8 core monster, just beefier) and waited till the big games we all want, like smash bros, were ready before releasing it.


I hope it does recover, but I can't help but think that the Wii U being dropped, and starting again a bit later, might not be the worst thing for Nintendo at this point. It wouldn't be the first time it's happened (virtual boy anyone?).

devillovexxx
devillovexxx

why the fuck u nintendo kept publish the mario and still mario,zelda the..i hate that gameplay..please publish more look like mature graphic n gameplay..and still lack of good high end games..stil my 3ds is one of a hell nintendo product i`ve ever had..thankgod there is so much choices other than fcking mario re:relevation,fire emblem,and pokemon..

GH05T-666
GH05T-666

Haha great Feedbackula Johnny

doggiezilla
doggiezilla

the u in wii u stands for underwear :) 

JamesKelly09
JamesKelly09

Wii U is a piece of trash console with 6 year old hardware with 10 year-old ports as the biggest selling point one year after release. And the future doesn't look any brither with re-hashed franchises like Mario/Kart/Party and Zelda a thousands times over and over again.

Oh yeah, I forgot completely useless online features, slow OS, and no option to buy an additional controller, which by the way costs more than the entire system.

Jtsupersonic
Jtsupersonic

I love Feedbackula. So much. Thank you. I'm gonna say it again. Thank you.

emma_frost666
emma_frost666

Oh Johnny, whatever happened to your Toast segments ?

19James89
19James89

I wonder if Danny will revist the whole 'Wii U is dead' topic matter in December 2014 after many more of the big hitters have been released?

naruto945
naruto945

@L_ninyo07 damn all you did was make me have less faith and realize that the PSP and PS3 did in '08 what the Wii U is doing now

19James89
19James89

I reckon Project X will be very popular, very popular indeed.

forbiddenmow
forbiddenmow

Would you do a camping trip with Roy Keane?

forbiddenmow
forbiddenmow

Out of interest what games do you think have grown up stories?

devillovexxx
devillovexxx

@penpusher are they not even tryin to compete with ms n sony? like what they did wii is a rock on the marketing..my monster hunter on 3ds such a good game but no online compatible..such a waste if i buy wii u juz for MH..


19James89
19James89

The hardware is not the issue, it's the poor marketing and the lack of any real must have games for the Wii U that have seen it stagnate over the past ten months or so. 

Why wasn't Zelda U a release game or Mario Kart 8 & Super Smash Bros. Had Nintendo released one or two big hitters at launch then this discussion just wouldn't be happening. 

Nintendo really need to hire a marketing consultancy firm to handle the marketing of their products to their customers and the wider consumer base and they need to ensure their next console's launch line up has at least one big hitter at launch. 

They do this, then their home consoles will sell very well and discussions like this wouldn't be happening. 



abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@JamesKelly09

Ignorance at its finest considering that nothing you said is true.


The system's hardware is (at most) 3 years old (because in order to use 6 year old hardware, Nintendo would have to manufacture it themselves, which would cost more than simply using 3 year old hardware). Windwaker HD is NOT the biggest selling point of the system and anyone thinking so is an idiot. You obviously don't know what the term "rehash" means, plus I love how you completely ignore everything else outside of Mario and Zelda.


Useless online features? You mean FREE online play, what's arguably the most pleasant network of gamers in existence (MiiVerse), the OS is constantly being optimized, and last I checked, the GamePad has no official price yet in the West, and even going by how much it is in Japan, saying that $170 costs more than $300 just proves what an idiot you are. 


Is the Wii U struggling? Most certainly, but part of the reason why many talented developers in general struggle is due to severe ignorance such as the one you put on full blast with your comment.

penpusher
penpusher

Why does gamespot always have to get the blame? They aren't forcing people to be abusive to each other.

YukoAsho
YukoAsho

@unconquered2222 Pretty much.  All that talk about trying to fix this community?  Bullshit, every last word.  Just a smokescreen over their clickbaiting.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@19James89

Nah, they'll just forget they ever said anything like that and the next time Nintendo messes up, they'll highly criticize them again and forget history like they always do.

iskaroth
iskaroth

I see, you want to to convince me that any game i give as an example of "good story" is actually bad/silly/boring. Ok ill take the bait - Fallout 1 and 2, Planescape Torment, Witcher 1 and 2, TLoU.

19James89
19James89

I don't, but that doesn't surprise me as long as the article gets thousands of comments and clicks that's all that seems to matter. 


I can see the Wii U picking up a lot of steam next year providing the games scheduled for release are released in 2014. SM3DW will continue to shift copies and consoles and Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros will see a surge in console sales far beyond anything at the moment, Nintendo is quite fortunate that it has some of the best selling video game franchises in the industry otherwise they'd be staring down the barrel, for sure.