Feedbackula - Steam Box Sacrilege!
Thirteen different versions of Valve's Steam Box were on display at CES, and the user reaction was pretty varied. Johnny steps in to see what all the fuss is about.
Is Steam Box for lazy no brainers, who want a console that acts like a PC that is programed like a console, but only plays Steam available games?
Microsoft could create a Windows running system for gaming specifics which could verse the Steam OS (for people with already capable PCs)
then you could run Windows Live/Uplay/Origin/Steam and the other old emulated retro console games and not have to worry about the other 1000s (exaggerated?) processes people normally try to limit to "get the most" out of their systems
Great idea but someone forgot to tell the Steam box makers that it should compete with the consoles. They are pricing them to PC levels. SO WHY NOT BUY A PC INSTEAD?! Someone didn't get the memo.
Steam Box is Valve's first big FAIL.
I don't know about you guys, but I'm just glad Valve developed a PC like this so that I can finally get my broke ass to play some PC games which needs high-end PCs to run (Given that the Steam Box would be the same price as the consoles)
The Steambox is a great idea, and it's aimed at someone like me. I'm a console gamer, but I'd also quite like to take advantage of all that Steam has to offer. I have no interest in having a dedicated, space hogging, power hungry, desktop gaming PC in my living room, or any other room for that matter, so to me, a Steambox sounds fan dabby dozey.
I kind of want his shirt, does anyone know where I can find that shirt? maybe johnny would be kind enough to point out to me a website where i could purchase one?
So who is the Steam box aimed at again? As a console gamer I can safely say not me and like you said PC gamers with a Gaming PC don't need one so who's left?
Steam controller = **** ....
Please Valve don't try to move closer and closer to console gaming.
I'm a PC gamer myself, and I really don't get the hate for Steambox.
If they only want to game on PC -than just game on PC.
Those who want to game on Steambox can game on Steambox.
These elitist nerds feel threatened by things that aren't even aimed at them. It bespeaks their raging insecurities.
Sometimes I don't agree with them, but this time they are right... Too many "geniuses" on the net!!!
I'm interested to see if the target market they have in mind are actually going to bite. The idea of a causal yet accessible pc gaming rig hooked up to the tv seems cool but not sure if it will take off. It would be cool if indie developers will start developing exclusively for the Steam Box, that would really contribute to the success of the machine. I am also skeptical of the success of the controller. I'm betting some developers will implement control very well for the thing, while others may not do it so well. So Valve is throwing this thing out there but it may be a fragmented and not so uniform experience for the user. Time will tell.
The only obstacle with Steam Machines is convincing AAA developers to program for Linux. But that's more an issue with SteamOS than Steam Machines, in general. Outside of Valve's self-published games, there aren't any AAA titles that run on Linux. This doesn't affect me too much because I've already put together an HTPC that is capable of playing games, but it would be nice to switch to Linux to reduce the clutter on a machine that's really just meant to run XBMC and Steam Big Picture.
I fucking hate this guy. Gamespot, he isn't funny and I never watch the videos anymore. He isn't insightful and its pathetic.
I like the idea of the Steam box but I worry that the average consoleite will find it confusing and scary.
I also think Valve are a little late, they should of been ready at the time the new consoles were released to give people an alternative choice.
But who knows what will happen. Good luck to 'em.
Errrm Johny, gipsy danger was the name of a mech in Pacific Rim. It's not xenophobic... I haven't watched the film, but even I know that!
I don't think that Steam did the right thing by allowing so many variants to hit the market. The very customers they are trying to attract, are used to buying consoles that only essentially varied by storage (the basic console, not games/controllers/color). Now, they are expecting these same customers to purchase a SteamBox that might have a different HDD, GPU, CPU, case, cooling system, motherboard, power supply, inputs, and gasp...PRICE! So while it might be easier to plug in, and not require you to know how to build a PC, you should still obtain at least some basic PC hardware knowledge to know what you are getting. Besides, you may have to upgrade it at some point, so the argument that they are targeting those that don't want to learn how to build their own PC, and break down the entry into PC gaming is somewhat nullified by the abundance of systems being released by Valve's 3rd party manufacturers, and the fact that you will have to know a few things about GPUs, PSUs, and +12v rails in order to upgrade it.
its funny how much a lot of people have turned on valve. one year ago people loved them had them up there with rockstar. now almost hated. i like valve just as much as ever. i think steambox will sell well enough, not console level but profitable. i wont be buying one. might buy a steam controller for my pc though. i doubt the over 1300 dollars steambox will see well at all. under will
lol @ alienware. They got a bad rep because they sold overpriced computers that you could build yourself for half the price.
yeah alienware is over priced. not apple over priced but close. but yet somehow on a poll i saw most people like that steambox the best???????????????
Johhny is extra peeved about Steam OS comments and he has a point but to me the same level of I wish people would be silent should have been levied against people who cried about Xbox 1 and kinect. Its all really simple - you don't want it, then by all means do not buy it but just because these sites allow you to type no reason to add you complaint on here - no one cares if YOU dont like it it.
The people who do will enjoy it rather you like it or not right?
the idea is still pretty sound idea for non pc rig owners who want to enjoy pc games - price will be the key factor
Feedbackulla is one of the favourite but http://bit.ly/1iUSFds
The oldest comment is 4 days old. Do you people even bother to update this web site anymore? Every time I come here it's dead, old news still on the front page. Yawn.
So if you already have the ultimate PC Gaming Rig that will play all Steam games perfect well, you don't need a SteamBox. Still if you want to try the SteamBox controller, you can just download the SteamBox O/S to you ultimate PC Gaming rig, buy a SteamBox controller seperately and still play SteamBox games without buying an actual SteamBox. Am I right? Who will pay $1800 for an Alienware SteamBox? Any takers?
@Shielder7 wrong. keep trying hater. this will finally replace the substandard graphics and options being peddled by MS an SONY.
An inexpensive computer that has the form factor of a console with a REAL graphics card is exactly what's needed.
I for one have moved on from Microsoft to Mac and Linux, but I still wish I had a PC for RTS games which are still a joke on consoles. This provides the best of both worlds.
I want something I can play on my flatscreen, and if I feel like it break out a keyboard and mouse and play like a computer for other games like Command & Conquer or something similar. Or I want to download software to do whatever the F I want to in terms of a media center, not just what some sociopath at MS or Sony decide they will allow.
Furthermore, you won't be stuck in the overpriced BS world of Sony and Microsoft. $300 for a wireless headset!? F-ING PLEASE!
So yeah, there is huge market, and I'm sorry you're still stuck in the past, but you'll wise up eventually.
@devilzzz2014Why not? It's a computer. If you want you can still attach a keyboard and mouse. Why the bitterness towards having both options?
@punksterdaddy Not the price of consoles is all you need to know.
How dare you call them nerds? They might not be smart at all. I find it might be more about them feeling better when they make others feel worse than about being insecure elitists. Basically, they verbal sadists. The internet makes it easy for them to show their true colors.
@minijeffro Indie developers already develop exclusively for Steam. The actual problem is getting major publishers to put games on the Linux format.
"...I never watch the videos anymore."
Why are you here?!
@mudbeed How can you hate this guy and think he isn't funny and think he isn't insightful and think it's pathetic and even post the very comment saying these things if you never watch the videos? (cue "burn" clip from video)
@mudbeed Stop trying so hard to get on the next episode of Feedbackula. You're never going to be. Just stop.
@EnsabuhnurI disagree. If it weren't for all the public outcry against Xbox One's DRM, we would probably still be having it shoved down our throats right now. It's actually a pretty good thing that it turned out this way. Had Microsoft decided to stick to their guns, gamers would have likely caved in and accepted the DRM eventually anyway and nothing would have been accomplished. When it comes right down to it, we have proven time and again we'll sell ourselves out for that next AAA experience if it means sacrificing just a little more cash or even our entire ownership of the game. It's really not so simple as "just don't buy it". Most gamers lack the self restraint to do that, and for the few that actually stick to their principles, all that happens is they get screwed out of an otherwise mostly enjoyable experience while publishers continue to ignore them because they couldn't make enough of an impact in sales.
@jimmy_russell Are you the world's worst troll? This is one of gamespot's WEEKLY shows. If you want to see what they post daily, you might need to actually read something. I have no idea what you are getting at. But hey if you want to create your own game review website go right ahead show us all how to do it right I dare you.
@blackaceOnly a muppet with more money than sense...I'm sorry but as much as I like the show Johnny just doesn't justify his position enough. Alienware steambox = the most redundant piece of kit ever.
@silvertoof i hope you get mentioned next week, the bloke is asking who is left from what he understood from the video and you tell him he is wrong?
Be careful about the love people have for steam, there are brick walls that will limit what interaction you have against others in the multiplayer world. but if you are just in it for yourself and single or locally multiplayer games then Steam could be tailored to you!
@silvertoof Wow is it that time of the month?
Feedbackula can't even deal with this type of stupid. I wasn't trying, they're hardly inexpensive and seem to be the worst of both worlds.
But if you're happy with the stupid things good for you I guess, spend your money the way you want, but I wouldn't get my hopes up for Steam Machine record sales not every consumer has that kinda of money to through around as stupidly as you.
I'll decide on what I need to know, thank you so very very much indeedy!
@Derpalon @Ensabuhnur At the end of the day Apple IOS, Android, Xbox Live and PSN and better still Playstation NOW represent the DRM future your crying about. You are only delaying what WILL come to past no matter how you feel about it. And lets be clear please read the EULA on your downloads because if you are a PSN+ member then you DO NOT OWN the copy of any free games you downloaded from there , but on STEAM you do technically own a copy of the software. So each has its own model and XBOX model was more in line with STEAM if not for the price breaks. So excuse me if I call BS because I did not see anyone complain when they announced PSNow - and that is ALL DRM all the time guaranteed - its a service so there will never be a physical copy for you to embrace.
Jokes aside a good reason why I am tired of physical media is when i turn on my N64 which works just fine I have to pray that the cartridge contacts still function - that has always been a hit or miss. When I turn on my 3DO I have to pray the CD drive still reads etc When I turn on STEAM I don't have to concern myself with any of that as long as I can download the service I have access to my entire library without fail regardless of the PC and many times even if the OS is no longer in use.
Ask most early adopters of both the Xbox 1 and the ps4 and many will tell you that they are still going to go ALL digital any way. The whole DRM BS only effects gamers who cant afford to buy new and I feel for you kids but what about adult gamers who have to buy multiple copies for their kids where the original system would have allowed us to share our games with out kids without having to buy yet another physical copy of it, which is what many of us are doing with steam right now.
The same principle would apply to gamers who have more than 1 system in the house. What you all did was ruin a very good idea and Its only because as kids with time on your hands you can come on here and yell the loudest but guess what, the same slow mindset is what slowed the eventual adaption of GPS, people cried it could track them but the benefits of the technology beat the crying overtime and now I bet you can't live without it.
In fact I remember the same slow ideas when we moved from Tapes to CD, from analogue sound to digital. Purists complained the hollow sound of tape was pure, whatever. Similar crying involved the move from DVD to digital video - seriously who buys blue rays at this point and dvds when we can just as easily just download and stream the movie? Hey if those criers would have won then devices like the ipod would never have existed.
There are those who cant see through the trees and hold on to what they know for fear of change and then there are those who can see the possible future and embrace the change. Time was when gamers were on the forefront of that - since most were really in to tech and all that is new. My generation would happily lose an arm if it means we can replace it with a bionic one LOL complication be damned. You have to excuse me as I am from the era.
At the end of the day you can complain all you want but progress is a train and it eventually will run right past you - so lets put a clock on the death of physical media - I say 5 years - see you then and lets have this non-conversation again when it happens so I can say TOLD YOU SO!
@Derpalon @Ensabuhnur @cratecruncher Great reply, but I: do not recall making any assumptions about you directly. Fact is if you are using android and buying any apps at all they are all under the same purchase model. I happily stand corrected on the STEAM actual ownership point but you misread what I am saying.
In terms of living longer I mean the actual media and device combination as opposed to a service. I have 3DO games all of which are perfectly fine, but because I no longer have a working cd drive on that system I cannot play those games. Had it been a service I and still existed I would be able to still play those games. It is there that I personally find value in these services.
The same thing with Steam and it's support of old games, even DOS emulated and 16 bit PC games makes it a good service, as I still have these games physically but not hardware that would allow me to play them, Steam extended their life with the ability to register the game codes to get access to those titles. (usage of DOSBox and such non-withstanding)
Do not get my wrong PSNow is a great idea but not for anyone who purchased all those games prior to unless there is a way to register the physical copies to the system as opposed to rebuying them. As I recall the original Xbox 1 plan was to require disc to be registered to the system, which means you still would have had a real copy of the game but it would have been licensed with live.
I am not familiar with Gog but will certainly review it as it seems like an interesting model though I wonder if its a sustainable one. side note really
The whole ceasing of xbox service was for access to live gaming on old servers, I doubt that there is a way for any of these companies to still operate and exist and legally prevent access from games that you've purchased on them, I think this is very different from online portions of the game but I certainly do see your point.
Most people come on here and cry and complain without a valid reason other than that particular cry is trending up. I applaud you for having an actual platform even if I do not fully agree with all of your concerns I certainly see your perspective better.
@Ensabuhnur @cratecruncherThat's quite a lot of huge leaping assumptions that you made about me there Ensa, despite having no justification for them. Out of all those services you listed, the only one I actually use is Android, and even then I've never purchased any games off of it nor do I consider it a real serious competitor to the mainstream gaming market. So congratulations, you got me, I'm such a hypocrite.
Except that I'm not. I don't agree with charging a premium for basic online service, which is why I never have and never will pay for PS+ or XBL. I also don't agree with relying on an online connection for single player content, which is why I won't be getting PlayStation Now.
You are incorrect in assuming that you own your games with Steam. You don't. It says so right in the terms. Quote, "The Software is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Software." You cannot install games in offline mode because every game must go through at least one online authentication with Steam's servers before you can do so. This means that any time Valve decides to cease their service, the moment you need to reload your OS and reinstall any of your games, you won't be able to play any of them anymore. Hence why I also don't agree with Steam.
Just because the majority of gamers have accepted this nonsense and grown complacent toward it doesn't make it any less abusive. You say that your digital copies far outlast your physical ones, but I call BS. The original Xbox has since already ceased Xbox Live services years ago, and had it been using the same system that the XB1 intended to use this generation, your games would already be nonfunctional at this point. Yet, I can still plug my Xbox in right now and still enjoy a classic game of Halo 2.
It's unfortunate that you have bought into industry rhetoric and are now convinced to fight against your own best interests as a gamer. If online digital distribution with overreaching DRM is indeed the future of gaming, then the future is a bleak one. Your implied assumption that the future is always better is misguided, and you are equally erroneous in assuming I oppose these services only because they bring "change". No it's because they are simply *bad* changes. I fully support GOG.com's digital distribution model for example. I have no problem with new forms of distribution provided they aren't just a trojan horse for companies to take more control over your experience.
@Ensabuhnur@Derpalon Great comments! I think you both make some really good points.
I think the whole XB180 was in reaction to Sony not cooperating more than consumer rage though.
Derpalon makes a strong point about the game market generally. These firms take outrageous liberties with their customers because most are young and inexperienced consumers. For example, the lifecycle cost of pc vs console strongly favors pc. Yet almost all gamers think the opposite. These pre-buy programs, season passes, pay-to-win "free" games, and over-the-top launch hype are other examples. But the gamer crowd is getting older and becoming more sophisticated. I'm encouraged there is increasing pushback on at least some of the more egregious attempts to separate us from our money.