Feedbackula - Elder Scrolls Online Alarm!
Bethesda released a new cinematic trailer for The Elder Scrolls Online this week, but it's left our community as divided as Tamriel itself. Johnny steps in to try and settle things once and for all.
the sub fees value all comes down to how much content they give you per month or however often their content cycle will be.
I played (and payed) LOTRO for 2 years when it was still pay-to-play and felt like I was always getting my money's worth because of how much content the game had. ...and the expansions were only $20 each, for huge amounts of content.
and think about this people, this game will drop to $40-45 very soon, and like most MMO's, there are deals to be had with the sub fees. More than likely if you played this game for the next couple of years, you might only be paying an average of $8-10 per month, especially if they offer yearly subs.
I think that the success of this game and its sub fees come down to how much content they can provide. if the content is lacking, or unappealing, then this game will sink. but if the content is there, and steadily increses, you can bet your ass people are going to play the hell out of this MMO.
I played the beta this weekend too. Its a wonderful game ! But .. the story telling is very lame compared to anything from Bioware and its FULL OF BUGS. I can not imagine how this game will be playable in a month.
So eat Ramen and a can a tuna once a month instead of Papa Johns, and
not go see Super Awesome Action Movie the day it comes out. Ok, I can
make that sacrifice for a good MMO. The subscription price is really
irrelevant for the amount of time involved. 50 cents a day is really
nothing. Skip the Starbucks or the cigs and lottery ticket when you fill
up. People that complain about cost are either a: a child, or b:
unemployed, or c: not going to buy it anyway and searching for an
acceptable justification to make public rather than the internal one.
That said, I played the beta and was not really that impressed, and probably will not get it. What do I know though, I still enjoy the bemoaned SWTOR.
I guess an online Elder Scrolls game is unique since the series was known for having countless hours of gameplay.
I played the beta and i LOVED it. I can't wait to play once it releases. The monthly fee is insignificant compared to the value. I will play almost every day. It is very engaging and i love the class system.
Played the beta and it's a snorefest. This game won't be worth looking twice at without some major fixes down the pipeline.
MMOs are not really like other video games. There are few people with the money, resources and...TIME to play a multitude of them. It actually is kind of a zero-sum game. Paying $15 a month for an MMO kind of turns that MMO into an exclusive for the player. Few players are going to spend $15 a month, times X MMOs. They choose one, maybe... MAYBE two, and then that's it. If a new MMO comes out, most will quit the MMO they're playing, but of course only if the new IP is enticing enough to draw players away from their current commitments.
Well one good thing about reading this thread is the comunity in TESO should be great. This makes me lookforward to TESO more now
After spending 4 years with WoW, I have avoided diving into anymore MMOs. Just don't have the time.
I also wish though I know it's impossible to do but it would be great if all users across all the platforms could interact with each other. One reason WoW never went console was they had a strong PC community. A console port would've had a smaller online community to interact with. Though at least good guy Sony is making people have PS+ in addition to the online subscription but who could afford this game in this economy.
Great show Johnny. I have no interest in MMOs myself but I think you're right, it won't survive with the amount of money its demanding. And maybe they could show a bit of gameplay sometime aswell?? The CGI stuff is all very impressive from a technical point of view but it doesn't make a game.
I got banned from gamespot years ago because i copied a review from a gamespot member, but now i am backula, gamespot was better in the good old days, is hard to forget. But let's cut to the chase shall we? Johnny Bravo you did a great job with this show and i hope you're enjoying doing it. Best of British to You!!
It don't matter dark souls 2 comes out march 11 the sequel to the best game ever made
I am so freaking excited
Oh yeah, why doesn't anybody see this trend? Release an MMO with a sub-fee, get all the money you can from the day 1 buyers. Then announce the game as a one-time buy or pay once to play and you will get a flood of people.
Its a pretty good money making scheme, I have mucho respect for anybody that can walk that stroll an get that money.
If you don't have the money to pay for your hobby (gaming), then don't take it up. I'm tired of everybody crying about prices, it's not going to change.. just accept it.
people are acting like this is the first game ever to have a sub fee on top of paying for the game. never mind the fact this has been going on since the 90's.. by the way, its not $60 for the game, its only $44.95 since the first month is included in the price. who really cares if they have a race with an collectors edition...the only thing you will miss out on are some minor racial skill lines, everyone will be able to make the imperial weapons and armor, to me its a non-issue. I would much rather pay one fee a month and have access to everything in game, then have micro-transaction and pay gates that will nickel and dime you to death..need more bag space?? sure, that will be $10. Want another character slot? sure, no problem, that will be $15. what crafting to go faster? sure, that's $10..want to access this part of the game? sure, that will be $20, and on and on and on..The F2P model is a blight on the MMO and needs to be eradicated from existence. IF this game ever goes F2P, which i highly doubt it will, i will stop playing the game because it will be the death of the game..i would rather see the game just shut down completely instead of going to F2P.
I pay subscription to avoid stuff like paywalls, blocked features, but this is ridiculous, they are shooting themselves in the foot, my bet is that this game will have less people than SWTOR had.
Give me an ordinary Elder Scrolls game where I can join a friend's game and MAYBE, just MAYBE, I'll consider forking out money for ESO. Till then, I would much rather play other games that don't look like a rip-off of WoW. Cause that's what this pretty much looks like. The combat is clunky and generic and so are the graphics. I don't know how combat and free-roam work but if you can be killed by anyone at any time, then it's not worth it to have your enjoyment taken away by players who feel the need to boast by killing off low level players and screaming at you how they're elite and how you're a noob.
All you people talk about is how much it costs. Unreal, lets see 59.99 standard. MMO 15 a month. Standard. are you all on crazy pills bitching about normal things like its something new
ill pay a sub fee if the game is good i have no problem with that model cuz it helps keep the game for updates but this game looks like crap so il pass on this one
Is this game still under NDA? Heck, I don't care. I was in 2 beta
weekends. The minor improvements seen in the last beta didn't make the
game more bearable to play. In other words, this game sucks!
Usually, bad games are under NDA until open beta. This way, the publisher can grab some quick cash from uninformed customers before the boat sinks. So listen people, buy this game at your own risk! http://www.panjury.com/trials/the-elder-scrolls-online
Pay 2 play MMO is a dead model outside of WoW. No one else who's tried it in the last 5 years has been very successful. I think FF14 will eventually go F2P too.
Wait for EQ Next which will be free to play and looks very promising.
I do think it will be F2P within a year. I'm not making any judgment on whether it's worth what they're charging, but the ES fan base is used to playing single player games. They aren't the same audience willing to pay monthly for an MMO. If these guys don't pay up, the game is dead. The game can't sustain itself without subscribers, so regardless of whether it's worth the price or not, it will lose subscribers quickly like TOR did and go F2P.
Also if the available platforms are X1, PS4, and PC, and it excludes 360 and PS3, that's going to further reduce sales. 160 million last gen consoles vs less than 10 million current gen consoles. You do the math.
I wish ESO good luck with their upcoming venture but I'm fully invested in destiny and Kingdom Under Fire 2 when it comes out hopefully this coming fall can't wait!!
Ppl spend $60 dollars on 4 hour games and ya'll complaining bout a game that has 1000's of hours of gameplay being 15 a month?LOL now thats just funny.
@mcrawf21 Or maybe there are people who would rather not skip such social events to play a video game. MMOs are know to consume the life of the player, so you would not find people serious about their jobs/studies interested in wasting $80 + $15/month + pay-to-win cash + lifetime to invest in a half-assed game like this one, or even if it was a masterpiece, it's just too much that could be directed to much better use. After some time in life you find out that there are things more important than spending days on end playing videogames, and that doesn't necessarly mean that you should stop or start to hate it, but time grows shorter and it becomes a weekend-only hobby, and even during the weekends, there just are better things to do, hence, it makes itself even more of a bad investment.
@Garnog As in Everquest Next? :P
@kbaily Playing WoW on console? Good luck with that. That's almost as bad as playing an RTS on a console.
@Jrounder82 Best game ever made? You must be 15.
@k41m ....just as I am tired of people like you, k41m, confusing smart consumers balking at a poor value proposition, with poor wretched street people complaining they can't afford the luxuries in life. Those are different situations. Please learn to distinguish the difference.
@k41m Wise costumers want «more bang for the buck». Are you wise?
Its not a matter of money. Its a matter of value and quality versus the price of the product. As a gamer I know I could buy multiple games instead of playing ESO. It would be stupid to not take that fact into account.
Maybe you are searching for the holy graal of gaming that will consume all your free time but to each his own.
@ricku1967 Well said
@Jrounder82 59.99, standard for a game without monthly subscription. 15 a month, standard for a game without upfront payment. what about 20 for a unique race? not standard. and then lets check how many "standard" MMOs are still not f2p... a couple. I'll join TESO in 6 months, when it becomes f2p.
@wristbreaker just like the monthly sub fee doomed the more than a dozen games out right now that have the exact same thing and are still thriving??
@gladiator9 it's more like 60$ for the game +15$ a month sub + whatever the players are going to spend on the announced real money shop. Isn't that more than enough for one single game?
Being too broke to afford 15 dollars a month doesn't make you a smart consumer. Don't you dare tell me to stop mistaking something for something else when you are calling a game you probably have only seen the videos for a poor value.
And sorry bud, but paying for video games isn't a "Luxury of life".
I was willing to pay the subscription fee, but the real money shop instantly slaped me back to waiting for TES 6