Says the person who is crying about the success for this game. 🤣

@wervenom:

His death was believable though. And you can't say she woman-handled him and beat him to a pulp. It was literally made so that he had no chance to do anything. It might've looked cowardly but it wasn't meant to look like anything. Just revenge.

And in a story sense, it all came to full circle, didn't it? This is all from the bad choices he made in the past. And no matter how you look at it, it WAS a mistake. He basically abandoned his entire job just for this one little girl and we were supposed to believe that it was just because she grew on him. That wasn't exactly ideal either. Especially when he made his case that he was a loner who no longer had faith in people.

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@wervenom: Did you play MGS 2 or Halo 2? If you feel betrayed by the marketing of TLOU2, that's on you at this point...

They sold more then 4 million copies.

Still Sold Millions, Still made a huge profit for Sony. We get it that there are many white fragile males here at SW but this is sad and pathetic to be honest.

They didn't want to reveal all their cards in the marketing. Too much of modern media tells you everything they're doing up front. People wanted this game to simply be another Joel/Ellie adventure? We did that once. Since we're in spoiler territory. He didn't just let his guard down, he helped a person out of a bad situation he thought he could trust. When it turns out he was prey. The events of the last game caught up to him so he really shouldn't be surprised by the retribution. Hell, he only survived in the last game due to Ellie's help. So he was never this invincible bad ass anyway.

Instead of being just another revenge tale, the story is looked at from two sides. Neither right, nor wrong. It's people letting revenge cloud their judgement. Abby lost her friends by involving them. Ellie repeatedly tempted fate by going after her eventually leaving her alone and disfigured. These aren't franchise characters, they're tragic figures in an apocalypse. This really should be a series where no one should be too attached to any one character since the stakes are so high.

What do you mean pushing a character? Do you even know the context of the events of this game and why they're happening? There are no cut and dried heroes in the game. It's about the never ending cycle of revenge and the high human cost that comes with it. The people in this game are broken beyond repair. This series isn't about Joel, if that's what you're getting at.

Because it fits a certain political mold to be offended by this game and that's the peg that fits into that hole. What has the game done to make people offended by it? Now that I actually played through it, I looked up some of the supposedly egregious items people had with it, and they turned out to be bullshit. Now, in typical fashion, people chose to double down instead of admitting they were wrong.

I swear EVERY game that stars a woman is like a bug zapper for frail idiots.