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#1 Silentchief
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@Pedro said:
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Considering 3rd party sales are down on PS5... not really.

Third party sales are down on PS5 and?

Because people are leaving their ecosystem.

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#2  Edited By Silentchief
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@Pedro said:
@Jag85 said:

The data shows that 3rd party JP games are selling more on PC than on PS5. How else would you interpret this data? silentchief's interpretation of the data makes logical sense: a significant number of JP game fans jumped ship from PlayStation to PC. If you have an alternative interpretation of the data, then feel free to present it.

Is the data showing a decline in PS sales? Wouldn't it make more sense to default PC gamers simply buying JP games because it is available on PC?

Considering 3rd party sales are down on PS5... not really.

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#3  Edited By Silentchief
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@fedor said:
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@fedor: You stated there is "nothing they could do" and you are wrong. Their is plenty they could do. Money hatting is dumb and they would be better off saving that money and simply buying studios . Exclusives matter.

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Sony could announce no more 1st party titles on PC today and it would have minimal effect on the PC platform.

Yet it would destroy the Playstation platform. Which is my entire point.

Your entire point is Playstation would fall if they stopped porting to PC?

Sorry I didn't see the word " no".

I think if they continue to port to PC and go day and date it will destroy the Playstation brand. It will have minimal effect on the PC platform either way.

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@fedor said:
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@fedor said:
@Jag85 said:
@fedor said:

What data do you have to show this?

Examples that come to mind:

Persona 5 Royal sold an estimated 2M on Steam, almost as much as what it sold on PS4 (2.3M) and far more than PS5 (300K).

Nier Automata sold an estimated 4M on Steam, about half of its total 8M sales across all platforms.

I already know JP developed games were popular on PC, that's all your sales numbers prove. Show me the data that says PS gamers leaving the platform for PC because of 3rd party JP games. That's what he claimed.

I'm saying it's a combination of things. Japanese games and first party support moving to PC along with PC's popularity with the streamer/influencer crowd. Look at fighting games for an example. They were dominated by the Playstation platform and many are moving to PC.

The concrete data we do have is Playstation 5 is now lagging behind the PS4 and will miss sell targets by 4 million. It will only get worse.

3rd party JP games and fighting games are minuscule in comparison to BR games popularity exploding as well as WRPG's, MOBA (LoL/DOTA), and indie titles that originated and blew up on PC (Among Us, Minecraft, Terraria etc...). Even Sony first party barely moves the needle in comparison. The streamers/influencers is easily the best example you gave. There's really nothing Sony can do about it, they can't money hat everything as much as they'd like to. Sony could announce no more 1st party titles on PC today and it would have minimal effect on the PC platform. PS5 is lagging behind because of their own hubris.

There's plenty they could do actually. They are in the position they are in now because they did a hard pivot to GAAS and abandoned the games that built their brand. The problem is nearly half those games have been canceled so we have been left for 3 years without a single exclusive being announced. They need to switch to a 80/20 rule with 80% of their games being high quality single player exclusives and leave those games exclusive to the Playstation platform forever. The other 20% could be multiplayer focused multiplatform titles such as Helldivers. Meanwhile they should do a portable console that Is a lower spec PS5 that plays all PS5 games similar to what the steam deck does for PC. Saying their exclusives barely move the needle isn't true when they have title that have sold over 25 million copies.

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@Pedro said:
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Wtf does that have to do with Sony? Foamstar wasn't made by them.

You believe it is exclusive by accident?🤔

Did Sony develope it and own the IP? If not his comment is false.

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@fedor said:
@Jag85 said:
@fedor said:
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No it doesn't. He's made it clear for years on this very site that PC is his preferred platform, long before Sony started publishing 1st party games on PC. Furthermore, Rebirth isn't a Sony 1st party title. You'd have a point if he only recently this gen became a PC guy and now waits to buy Sony 1st party games on PC, but that isn't the case.

Look at my original point.

He can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he is a fan of Japanese games. There was a time when Japanese support on PC was pretty lackluster. That has changed over the past decade so many Playstation fans who were a fan of 3rd party Japanese titles have switched to PC because the platform has full support. I believe the remaining fans of Sony's first party content will do the same.

What data do you have to show this?

Examples that come to mind:

Persona 5 Royal sold an estimated 2M on Steam, almost as much as what it sold on PS4 (2.3M) and far more than PS5 (300K).

Nier Automata sold an estimated 4M on Steam, about half of its total 8M sales across all platforms.

I already know JP developed games were popular on PC, that's all your sales numbers prove. Show me the data that says PS gamers leaving the platform for PC because of 3rd party JP games. That's what he claimed.

I'm saying it's a combination of things. Japanese games and first party support moving to PC along with PC's popularity with the streamer/influencer crowd. Look at fighting games for an example. They were dominated by the Playstation platform and many are moving to PC.

The concrete data we do have is Playstation 5 is now lagging behind the PS4 and will miss sell targets by 4 million. It will only get worse.

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@TheEroica said:
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The problem is not many buys these games on Xbox( not to mention few own one 🤣) and the Switch can't run them. Meanwhile PC gamers will wait for deep discounts.

It's easier to wait once you've waited.... If Sony released day 1 on PC I bet more people would buy at full price.

At first they would but they would lose a large portion of their existing base to PC.

Destroying your platform for a few extra game sales isn't worth it.

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@Litchie said:

Still sold more than they deserved.

@Pedro said:
@madsnakehhh said:

I'm actually more surprised to learn that Foamstars had expectations...

Well it had to, otherwise they would not have made it. The real question was why was it made to begin with?

An attempt at their own Splatoon? Sony copying Nintendo and failing horribly at it is a pretty common occurence.

Wtf does that have to do with Sony? Foamstar wasn't made by them.

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#10  Edited By Silentchief
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@Antwan3K said:
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the "dead" Xbox brand just had a 62% increase in Xbox content/services, a 51% increase in overall Xbox gaming revenue, has more monthly-active-users than both PlayStation and Nintendo, generates more gaming revenue than Nintendo, and is now only 1.55 Billion behind PlayStation in gaming revenue..

these are the facts that apparently don't care about your feelings..

yet your feelings continue to tell you that "Xbox is dying" when the reality simply doesn't support your fanboy emotions..

as far as SteamDeck and the Switch, yes, the Switch would be just fine.. it has a much cheaper pricepoint and Nintendo would sell boatloads more software on PC.. but Nintendo is Nintendo.. they can afford to do things differently because they have timeless IP, a fanbase that will support nearly anything they do, and games that already don't fall victim to the current AAA gaming pitfalls..

Emotional facts are facts damn it.🙃

Jesus christ are you both that dumb?

The increase came because they added " Activision/Blizzard revenue " into their report and compared it to years before they were on the books. XBOX revenue was down until they added the world's largest third party publisher.

This isn't a strategy that will work for Playstation because they are backed by a 100 billion dollar company vs Xbox which was backed by a three trillion dollar company. I'm not denying that Microsoft will be fine because they can simply just buy up every publisher in existence but their attempt at a successful platform has failed. The Xbox brand is in fact dead and Microsoft has pivoted to releasing games on successful platforms like " Steam and " Playstation ". So yes Xbox Is in fact dying but Microsoft gaming will live on.

No they wouldn't. If Nintendo fans are so loyal no matter what then why did the Wii U fail miserably? Nintendo is where they are because they have quality exclusives that pull people to their terrible platform. Without those quality exclusives their platform would die and their value would be closer to a company like Capcom which is about 4x smaller than Nintendo. The same effect would happen to PlayStation. Without a successful platform they will have less money to fund games.

Xbox bought ABK to increase gaming revenue and that's exactly what happened..

You seem to admit that Xbox will be fine regardless yet at the same time claim Xbox is dead.. Pick a lane..

Nintendo would be just fine.. PC gamers would eat up that software like hotcakes and Nintendo fans will still buy their hardware..

Ok well gloat about it when " XBOX" increases the revenue not when they just compare it to the years before they owned ABK which is what they are doing now.

No. Xbox won't be fine it will be dead, Microsoft will be fine and they can rebrand accordingly. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even release an Xbox next gen and if they do it's only chance of success is if it can run Steam.

Yes they would be fine but there hardware would be dead. They would just be a Japanese 3rd party publisher..