[QUOTE="M1MyRifle"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]How does that tell which countries allow women to vote and which dont?:?Thinker_reborn

Are Religious Leaders elected? No they are not, so if a country claims to be an "islamic state" then no one has the right to vote, and it is in these countries where women are oppressed the most.  

Women DO vote over here.

Pakistan is an example of an unstable country, military leaders taking power through coup d etat's happens quite often.  Musharraf, who left office this year, was in power since 1999 through a military coup.  They still have a long way to go before they can claim to be a stable democracy.  And in Pakistan has some autonomous regions who still practice sharia law, and there are still numerous cases of honor killings coming from Pakistan annually, and the acid attack also happened there.  

[QUOTE="M1MyRifle"][QUOTE="thattotally"]

 

No no no and no. Just because Saudia Arabia is seen as the "face of Islam" or whatever, doesn't mean that they are right. Or that it is Islam for that matter. SA, like all Arab countries, are just behind the times and completely idiotic, because they're Arabs. If they had your advancement and brain power, and if you Americans and Europeans had our (scratch that, not "our", but the Islamic) moral thinking and the like, then the world will be a better place. Alas, that will never happen. 

Women have a choice. And the only reason they don't, the only reason that such horrific things such as the Taliban society which exists in Afghanistan, is b/c they, them, those fools, are idiots. It has nothing to do with Islam, but the fact that Arabs are pure, moronic morons. Boy it gets my blood boiling how stupid Arabs are. 

And life is about sacrfice, so stop being such babies. I mean jeez, what is with all the whining? Now remember, it IS all women's choice, and there's nothing more respectable than a woman who, at 48 degrees Celsius, covers up her entire body out of modesty and respect to God. Do your women have strength such as that? 

So moral of the story, get. your. facts. straight. Thank You.

And why isn't this topic locked yet? Should I go to Ask the Mods? The TC is the worst representation of Islam ever. That's what I'd expect from a level 5 user after all. These topics need to end, and I'm going to put a stop to them. For the sake and goodness of Islam.

thattotally

Well nobody has the right to vote in any islamic country besides Turkey.  Granted thats a human rights issue not just selective to women.  But Saudi Arabia is not the only Islamic country that oppresses women, in somalia and other sub-saharan african countries, they practice female circumcision, a brutal and painful procedure that no human being should be subject to.  

Why do women cover themselves up when its soo freaking hot out? Is it really their choice? Do you actually believe that this has nothing to do with their indoctrination into islam? If they had a real choice i dont think any of them would really do that. And what would happen to them if they chose to not cover themselves and maybe dress in western clothes? 

And your right, Arabs are not the only muslims, the most populous islamic country in the world is Indonesia.  But Islam needs to start being progressive concerning human rights, but unfortunately the opposite has been happening :(

Um... what did I say about generalizations  :|  ? Please,  just... just... okay, for starters, guess which country's flag I have in my sig. Don't know? Thought so.

As for your second little... whatever, I'd just like to say that you have the stench of someone who's been so very brainwashed by your culture of vain, vulgar customs. Yes it is their choice, yes it is their choice, yes it is their choice. We have women who dress noramlly here, and we have fashion and everything. The only thing we're missing is women wearing short shorts and skirts with half a tank-top or whatever, and then parading around in public being angry at why men are whistling and drooling all over her (as I've heard, women actually like that, despite what they claim). While even that exists, it's not as apparent as the States, and worse, Europe (of course by Europe I tend to exclude UK, they shouldn't be branded with the rest of those undeveloped... people) 

And if they ever paraded around in a bikini and nothing else then all the modest, respectable women would turn their noses down on them and tsk tsk away at some of the morals that have been lost on youth. Not everything is perfect, and I'd go more into detail about that, but this a gaming forum after all, and I can't help but feel limited in our ways of communication. I'd much rather like to educate people face to face. And not go about it the way the tc is doing right now. yeesh. 

Islam is the most progressive towards human perfection and ultimate happiness, in this life and the next. It's Arabs he need to aquire half a brain and start smartening up. Though that won't be happening any time soon, as since most are poor and suffering and the rest are idiots that are wasting their life away.

If there's anything else I need to add please feel free to enlighten me, I've lost a few of my points along the way while dwelling on the stupidity and hypocrisy of Arabs, while facepalming at the tc's relentless need to make continuous topics about Islam and putting it in a worse light each time. 

You should take your own advice about generalizations.  All Arabs aren't dumb and completely ignorant, and thats your opinion about Islam being the most "progressive"

Okay, just enlighten me on this, is it the general consensus within the Muslim World that the Koran, not people, that dictates Morals and Ethics?

[QUOTE="M1MyRifle"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Women have the right to vote in most islamic countries.:|Thinker_reborn

Okay, i exaggerated, there are other islamic countries that allow you to vote, but according to this map it is far from being "most" islamic countries.

Map of the Islamic World

Are Religious Leaders elected? No they are not, so if a country claims to be an "islamic state" then no one has the right to vote, and it is in these countries where women are oppressed the most.  

[QUOTE="M1MyRifle"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Women are only prohibhited to drive in Saudi Arabia.

And by the way, women have plenty of rights in islam. And they can do whatever they want as long as what they are doing is not sinful.

And about that divorce story, that is pretty bad. But she didn't do anything wrong. The man who killed her is who was wrong. 

Thinker_reborn

Absolutely its the guys fault and he should be punished! But all he is getting is a slap on the wrist, and that is severely depressing.  And you said women can do whatever they want as long as its not sinful...who determines what is sinful? The male dominated governments of these countries? The religious leaders who are all male? Leaders who arent even elected and just dictate justice and order without any oversight?

Say what you want about the objectivication of women here in the west, but at least they are treated equally under the law and have to right to vote. 

Okay, i exaggerated, there are other islamic countries that allow you to vote, but according to this map it is far from being "most" islamic countries.

Map of the Islamic World

[QUOTE="M1MyRifle"][QUOTE="thattotally"]

 

You'd prefer the objectifying of women right? Legalizing prostitution, having nude beaches, strip clubs, and basically just naked women all around right? Pfft. You're pathetic. And I don't know what you have seen, but just the fact that you've used that word clearly shows that you know nothing of Islam. Please get your facts straight before throwing around "the oppression of women!" and such. 

Also, these topics need to die. Now. TC, you're a disgrace to Muslims, and you need to stop forcing your beliefs on a gaming site. Just quit it for heaven sakes. Stop shoving all this down these users throats, get a life, and stop adding to the stereotype of all Muslims being annoying. You remember that, as muslims, it's our job NOT to annoy others about joining our religion, but paying attention to our own needs beforehand. So just quit it! Can we get a mod to lock all topics made by thinker_reborn, if they're not going to be intelligent light hearted discussions? Please?

thattotally

Comparing the brutal oppression of womens rights in islamic countries (other countries too, islam isnt the only factor) to strip clubs, nude beaches and legal prostitution is completely unfair.  Women have a choice to become strippers, they have a choice to be naked on beaches, and in countries where prostitution is legal and regulated, women have a choice to sell themelves.  In most of the islamic world, women dont have a choice to do anything of their own free will.  If i am correct i think there was a story recently about a women who was a victim of an acid attack because she had divorced her husband.  

Women cannot vote, cannot drive, cannot go out in public without wearing a dress that covers their entire body and lack any independence or free will, all of this is sanctioned by sharia law, which came from Islam...this is Oppression!!! 

No no no and no. Just because Saudia Arabia is seen as the "face of Islam" or whatever, doesn't mean that they are right. Or that it is Islam for that matter. SA, like all Arab countries, are just behind the times and completely idiotic, because they're Arabs. If they had your advancement and brain power, and if you Americans and Europeans had our (scratch that, not "our", but the Islamic) moral thinking and the like, then the world will be a better place. Alas, that will never happen. 

Women have a choice. And the only reason they don't, the only reason that such horrific things such as the Taliban society which exists in Afghanistan, is b/c they, them, those fools, are idiots. It has nothing to do with Islam, but the fact that Arabs are pure, moronic morons. Boy it gets my blood boiling how stupid Arabs are. 

And life is about sacrfice, so stop being such babies. I mean jeez, what is with all the whining? Now remember, it IS all women's choice, and there's nothing more respectable than a woman who, at 48 degrees Celsius, covers up her entire body out of modesty and respect to God. Do your women have strength such as that? 

So moral of the story, get. your. facts. straight. Thank You.

And why isn't this topic locked yet? Should I go to Ask the Mods? The TC is the worst representation of Islam ever. That's what I'd expect from a level 5 user after all. These topics need to end, and I'm going to put a stop to them. For the sake and goodness of Islam.

Well nobody has the right to vote in any islamic country besides Turkey.  Granted thats a human rights issue not just selective to women.  But Saudi Arabia is not the only Islamic country that oppresses women, in somalia and other sub-saharan african countries, they practice female circumcision, a brutal and painful procedure that no human being should be subject to.  

Why do women cover themselves up when its soo freaking hot out? Is it really their choice? Do you actually believe that this has nothing to do with their indoctrination into islam? If they had a real choice i dont think any of them would really do that. And what would happen to them if they chose to not cover themselves and maybe dress in western clothes? 

And your right, Arabs are not the only muslims, the most populous islamic country in the world is Indonesia.  But Islam needs to start being progressive concerning human rights, but unfortunately the opposite has been happening :(

[QUOTE="M1MyRifle"][QUOTE="thattotally"]

You'd prefer the objectifying of women right? Legalizing prostitution, having nude beaches, strip clubs, and basically just naked women all around right? Pfft. You're pathetic. And I don't know what you have seen, but just the fact that you've used that word clearly shows that you know nothing of Islam. Please get your facts straight before throwing around "the oppression of women!" and such. 

Also, these topics need to die. Now. TC, you're a disgrace to Muslims, and you need to stop forcing your beliefs on a gaming site. Just quit it for heaven sakes. Stop shoving all this down these users throats, get a life, and stop adding to the stereotype of all Muslims being annoying. You remember that, as muslims, it's our job NOT to annoy others about joining our religion, but paying attention to our own needs beforehand. So just quit it! Can we get a mod to lock all topics made by thinker_reborn, if they're not going to be intelligent light hearted discussions? Please?

ghoklebutter

Comparing the brutal oppression of womens rights in islamic countries (other countries too, islam isnt the only factor) to strip clubs, nude beaches and legal prostitution is completely unfair.  Women have a choice to become strippers, they have a choice to be naked on beaches, and in countries where prostitution is legal and regulated, women have a choice to sell themelves.  In most of the islamic world, women dont have a choice to do anything of their own free will.  If i am correct i think there was a story recently about a women who was a victim of an acid attack because she had divorced her husband.  

Women cannot vote, cannot drive, cannot go out in public without wearing a dress that covers their entire body and lack any independence or free will, all of this is sanctioned by sharia law, which came from Islam...this is Oppression!!! 

Women are only prohibhited to drive in Saudi Arabia.

And by the way, women have plenty of rights in islam. And they can do whatever they want as long as what they are doing is not sinful.

And about that divorce story, that is pretty bad. But she didn't do anything wrong. The man who killed her is who was wrong. 

Absolutely its the guys fault and he should be punished! But all he is getting is a slap on the wrist, and that is severely depressing.  And you said women can do whatever they want as long as its not sinful...who determines what is sinful? The male dominated governments of these countries? The religious leaders who are all male? Leaders who arent even elected and just dictate justice and order without any oversight?

Say what you want about the objectivication of women here in the west, but at least they are treated equally under the law and have to right to vote. 

[QUOTE="M1MyRifle"]

Israel is guilty of some horrible crimes...but speaking as an American, i still support Israel, they represent US interests and they are the only true democracy in the region. 

Having them as allies in the war on terror is also a big plus, and they also act as a kind of buffer.

sentenced83

 true democracy ? maybe towards isrealis , but hitting and killing women and children is democracy to you ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKQqItZu4Is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-bYllupXbE

Granted Israel is defnitely guilty of horrendous acts...but their very existence is tumultuous, a drastic enviornment calls for drastic measures, and being under threat from suicide bombers and attack from their arab neighboors is nothing to sneeze at.  But that is no excuse to kill civilians, Israel should be forced to change their methods. 

Well of course to israelis!...Who did the palestinians vote for? Hamas, an extremist terrorist organization who has taken repsonsibility for attacks against Israeli civilians!...If Israel grants palestinians and muslims suffrage in their country, the israelis might as well just pack up and leave.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]I... don't care. From what I have seen of Islamic culture, i don't like it. Most of all the oppresion of women. thattotally

You'd prefer the objectifying of women right? Legalizing prostitution, having nude beaches, strip clubs, and basically just naked women all around right? Pfft. You're pathetic. And I don't know what you have seen, but just the fact that you've used that word clearly shows that you know nothing of Islam. Please get your facts straight before throwing around "the oppression of women!" and such. 

Also, these topics need to die. Now. TC, you're a disgrace to Muslims, and you need to stop forcing your beliefs on a gaming site. Just quit it for heaven sakes. Stop shoving all this down these users throats, get a life, and stop adding to the stereotype of all Muslims being annoying. You remember that, as muslims, it's our job NOT to annoy others about joining our religion, but paying attention to our own needs beforehand. So just quit it! Can we get a mod to lock all topics made by thinker_reborn, if they're not going to be intelligent light hearted discussions? Please?

Comparing the brutal oppression of womens rights in islamic countries (other countries too, islam isnt the only factor) to strip clubs, nude beaches and legal prostitution is completely unfair.  Women have a choice to become strippers, they have a choice to be naked on beaches, and in countries where prostitution is legal and regulated, women have a choice to sell themelves.  In most of the islamic world, women dont have a choice to do anything of their own free will.  If i am correct i think there was a story recently about a women who was a victim of an acid attack because she had divorced her husband.  

Women cannot vote, cannot drive, cannot go out in public without wearing a dress that covers their entire body and lack any independence or free will, all of this is sanctioned by sharia law, which came from Islam...this is Oppression!!!