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#1  Edited By Laxite
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@macdaddy0511: That's so far the best answer I got. I haven't discovered the Church of Atom yet and thought being singled out. My religion does teach tolerance, it has co-existed well with all but one religion as a result, and even then it wasn't by our choice. I am not a particularly religious person. I have a Christmas tree in my home right now even though I am Hindu. I guess I was expecting some reciprocal understanding. I do believe now that this decision was made without any spite. It will be nice to have an official position from Bethesda on this somewhere on their website.

While I agree on the message in your argument and the impracticality of accommodating everyone, on the ideological level I disagree with the basic tenant there that numbers make something right. Right is an ethical argument. I like very much your points about 'How does it affect my personal beliefs?' and 'You will always think it used to be called Brahmin'. To that I am going to forgive and forget so that the hate does not grow on me and continue to enjoy the game.

If Bethesda has an official position statement on this and the Church of Atom, that will be great.

Thanks!

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There are Aluminium cans in the federal stockhouse just before the room with terminal-locked door.

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#3  Edited By Laxite
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Brahmin is what a priest is called in Hinduism. I am one. It is very offensive for me to see Brahmin as a two headed cow-pack mule hybrid which people kill for meat and hide. If you think this is a game, enjoys free speech etc., that is true, but then substitute the Redstag, the Brahmin, the Radroach etc with the priest of your religion and see if you feel the discomfort. It is not my intention to hurt any religion or individual's feeling. I request a civilized and on-topic discussion.

Bethesda has had trouble with this issue with previous version of fallout when Microsoft did not release the game in India. Recently made a detailed request through info@bethesda.com and got the usual computerized response. I posted on their forums and the topic was locked because 'it was religious' even though that is precisely what I was trying to get thrown out of the game.

I got a few responses on that post which I never got the chance to response to. They were along the lines of:

Get over it: I think it is our duty as citizens to make things fair and non offensive instead of turning a blind eye to them.

There is no reference linking it in the lore: That is true, but if you were to substitute the name with that of a priest of any other religion, there will be no reference to that either, but does that make it right, especially from the point of view of that religion?

It has been there since fallout, Brahma is the name of bull etc.: Fallout series started in 1997, which gives it a legacy of 18 years. Brahmin and Brahma are in use in Hinduism for over 5000 years. On the practical side, in the best case, changing the name will involve small edits in a few (may be 5-6) XML files, in the worst case, one can run the 'grep' command change it. It will take probably 8 hours to fix and 2 weeks to test. It will probably take a little longer to change the references in the lore, depending upon how many places has references to it, but the lore site can just contain an single line that says Brahmin is renamed to bla-bla because as the radiation levels went down people remembered what they were originally called.

and the most creative one:

I am a scorpio but not Rad so should they remove radscorpian also: The analogy does not quite hold. Scorpio is a sign of the Zodiac, a scorpio is not expected to look like a scorpian or a cancer not expected to be a crab, but 'only behave like one'. Brahmin is a Brahmin, it is not just a figurative name. Besides scorpians and insects and are portrayed as one in Fallout 4. Brahmins are human beings and are portrayed as animals in Fallout 4.

I believe it is never in a company's interest to alienate a group of users and never too late to correct a wrong. Come on Bethesda, leave existing religions out of your games and rename the 'Brahmin'.