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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

:lol::lol::lol:

*Waits to see England fan's hypocrisy*

supa_badman

But that gives less reason for England fans to be angry like the American fans were. The Slovenian goal did cost tthe team a win and almost kept them from advancing.

[QUOTE="shinian"]

[QUOTE="F1_2004"] Noone will remember this because it was an insignificant match, and because it wasn't a huge mis-call... he even blew the whistle before the goal happened. Anyways, these American sports that have replays, do not need to maintain a flow to the game, since it stops every 30 seconds. In Football you need to maintain the flow of the game, and the clock is always running, so you can't stop goal celebrations for 5 minutes to decide what was a goal and what wasn't... that would completely kill the mood of the game.CannedWorms

Where did you get that 5 minutes from? In our own homes we're seeing high detailed replay in matter of seconds. So would the 5th referee. The whole consult wouldn't be longer than 30 seconds.

You say this now but if it happened to England you would be complaining as much if not a lot more than us.

[QUOTE="CommanderShiro"]

[QUOTE="supa_badman"] ESPN commentators are hard core biased though. :lol:supa_badman

One was British and the other was American but after the game theywere analysing itand there were acouple Europeans

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="seriousley"]

so you're only a fan when your team has already got to the final stages...sheesh...let me convert that into a language you understand.

thats like me deciding im going to support the lakers, if the lakers were 3-0 up in the playoff final series.

seriousley

:? So the US getting into the group stages, where 32 teams are still remaining = The Lakers just about clinching a championship? How do those two things even compare? If the US was up 3-0 in the final match and I decided to start cheering for them, that would be the equvalent to what you were saying.

It's not that I'm not a fan of the US soccer team when they're qualifying for the World Cup, but I'm definitely not going out of my way to watch a qualifying match against El Salvador.

EXACTLY ... any real fan would do everything they could to watch every game!

You don't understand. Qualifying games are rarely televised in the US and its not exactly easy to drive across the US to get to games.

[QUOTE="Chrypt22"]

[QUOTE="fooZar777"]

I think you didn't watch any replays "mate". He goes up in the air and then he drives down with the full force of his elbow. Certainly needed to be at least a yellow. It's blatantly obvious to any objective and reasonable football spectator that Dempsey tested out the referee's criteria in the first seconds, and upon USA realized they can elbow as much as they want, so they did.

fooZar777

Yellows or no yellows the fact still remains that the refs handed you a draw. Twice in the penalty area of the Slovenians goal the US were called for non existant fouls... one of which took a goal away and another that could of lead to a goal but we will never know. I could care less about the "shame on you's" than I do about the calls that gave the game away.

I don't think you are capable of grasping what a yellow card means to a player. To state, that it makes no difference is pure football fiction. The referee was poor, this is true, fact of the matter remains he cheated both teams and to say that USA were more cheated is incorrect. The amount of calls gone bad for Slovenia was higher and the only valid argument is USA's were "goal situations". When you weigh this rationally you can come to the conclusion I am going to paraphrase in this statement.

"The referee was biased in USA's favour throughout the majority of his calls, commiting one grave mistake on the yellow for findley and then tried to compensate for his shortcomings with a goal disallowal".

So we come to the conclusion that the referee bias was present throughout the vast majority of the game for Slovenia, that they had to play against a very physical side with no protection from the referee, in turn receiving all the yellows they deserved while seeing the opponents get away with some horribly dirty work. You can only conclude both sides suffered and that there was certainly no "moral" winner like some would want to point out.

WHy would the ref try to compensate for a bad yellow card on the US by taking a goal away from the US. You can't say the ref was biased against Slovenia. He was just horrible and the calls were more costly to the US.

[QUOTE="Jaybird36"]

[QUOTE="fooZar777"]

I think you didn't watch any replays "mate". He goes up in the air and then he drives down with the full force of his elbow. Certainly needed to be at least a yellow. It's blatantly obvious to any objective and reasonable football spectator that Dempsey tested out the referee's criteria in the first seconds, and upon USA realized they can elbow as much as they want, so they did.

fooZar777

If he had wanted to elbow him he would have actually looked at him. And why would the US test the criteria with one of its best players?

Because obviously the more important the player is the more the referee starts to doubt his decision. Surely you know the best sometimes get off with some nasty stuff based on their reputation, that is why it makes perfect sense to have dempsey do it.

But there's no reason to be doing it. It was clearly accidental. Dempsey's face showed it when he came down.

[QUOTE="Jaybird36"]

[QUOTE="fooZar777"]

I would have to disagree. Yes some were called, but Slovenia went into the last 15 mins with basically all of our defensive players on a yellow. USA kept elbowing and not receiving cautions throught the game. Players with a yellow card have to take precautions not to get a 2nd yellow. I'm not saying our yellows weren't deserved, because they were, but the american team should have had at least another 4 yellows, not to mention the very first elbow in the game.

fooZar777

There definetly weren't four yellows that should have been given to the US, maybe 1 or 2. ANd that first elbow was completely accidental. His arm went up as a reflex to protect himself.

I think you didn't watch any replays "mate". He goes up in the air and then he drives down with the full force of his elbow. Certainly needed to be at least a yellow. It's blatantly obvious to any objective and reasonable football spectator that Dempsey tested out the referee's criteria in the first seconds, and upon USA realized they can elbow as much as they want, so they did.

If he had wanted to elbow him he would have actually looked at him. And why would the US test the criteria with one of its best players?

[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"]

[QUOTE="fooZar777"]

You are quite possibly one of least intelligent posters on any forum I have ever seen. It's more than clear USA played rough and the constant elbowing of our players was not a normal part of football and was only used to brake the concentration of our players. Nowhere did any of us say that we are "unhappy" or feel "robbed" by this draw. We all merely point out USA used dirty tactics to get the result.

fooZar777

I would have to disagree. Yes some were called, but Slovenia went into the last 15 mins with basically all of our defensive players on a yellow. USA kept elbowing and not receiving cautions throught the game. Players with a yellow card have to take precautions not to get a 2nd yellow. I'm not saying our yellows weren't deserved, because they were, but the american team should have had at least another 4 yellows, not to mention the very first elbow in the game.

There definetly weren't four yellows that should have been given to the US, maybe 1 or 2. ANd that first elbow was completely accidental. His arm went up as a reflex to protect himself.

[QUOTE="Jaybird36"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] ESPN doesn't have a clue what they're talking about if they think USA was denied THREE penalties. That's absurd.

Ninja-Hippo

Altidore, Bradley and one other player were being held.

They were completely wrapped around and couldn't move. They were clearly penalties.