also starcraft, warcraft and warhammer

The thing about Planescape is, well, according to most everyone who loves it, it is great like a novel is great. Great story, characters, atmosphere. I tried playing it three times, and got bored each time without getting many hours into it. As a story, as a narrative, it may be great. But as a game it just isn't my thing. And the thing about stories is that they ARE NOT UNIVERSALLY APPRECIATED. There are many "great" novels that I simply despise. I have great taste too! According to me! (same can be said about the rest of humanity). Guess what! I hated Deus Ex and System Shock too! And I love a good narrative! The thing is, games that ride on their narratives alone are like really, really slow novels--in which case one is much better off just reading a good book. That's where gameplay is key, and Planescape's (not to mention Deus ex/System Shock's) essential gameplay is not a timeless achievement of universal bliss, no matter how you spin it. It's an old, clunky affair that rides on waves of nostalgia.

And what game storyline/gameplay combination you DO like ?

Planescape Quests were great, Exploration was fun and thats the half of RPG gameplay.

and what have you against system shock/deus ex gameplay? They both mix RPG with shooter in interesting way.

err thats just too many games to list, see my games collection/list, its not full yet but should be enough RPG's for you.

I'll write down the one's that come to my mind now.

Planescape: Torment
Baldur's Gate series
Neverwinter Nights Series
Elder Scrolls Series
Gothic Series
Kotor Series
Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines, Redemption
Spellforce
Deus Ex
System Shock
Anachronox
Mass effect
Fallout Series

^FAIL

HenriH-42

Agreed, I was going to say Duke, but then I saw this and.

I could not bring myself to leave the first location, I felt like I was betraying the fist Deus Ex. It just sucked too much...

other then duke and deus ex 2, I'd have to say Massive multiplayer online games. Wow was painfully disappointing for me, It should have been a dream come true and could have the way Blizzard presented the game world first. But all those sucky masses just had to go and ruin it :(

No, Demos always are way better then actuall game.

If you played both VTM and Legacy of Kain then no, unfortunately there are no more games like that. :(

In fact there just way to few games that let you play "Dark Side" character, and half of them are not serious settings, (Overlord)

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Planescape: Torment. No other game in existence even comes close.

claytoma

My thoughts exactly. It's old and decrepit...let it die already. I played a quarter of the way through and thought it was awful. It seems to me like people like to bring up the fact that they've played these old games to appear wise, sanctimonous or something because they think they're the"root" of PC game evolution.

I assure you, I sincerely and wholeheartedly enjoyed Planescape, One of the greatest games ever made on any platform. I'll dare and say: never before Planescape, and never after any Game,Book, Movie was able to present story so unique, strange and delicate.

I honestly can not understand how can someone who actually has taste, as a concept, play planescape and at least not acknowledge it's greatness. I mean the STORY, QUESTS,CHARACTERS, the atmosphere you have to be blind not to see all this. The only thing I can assume is that you played with fighter character, never put any points in charisma or intelligence, missed every single side quest and all the great dialogue because of this. If it's what is the case, I encourage you to play the game again, put all your points in intelligence and charisma, even use cheats if necessary just have both of them 18+. and try playing a Mage. Do not use violence unless absolutely necessary. even in the very first location mortuary, do not kill any zombies, talk to them. you will not have to attack a single creature if you play your cards right, and you'll experience some of the most strange and moody quests there is, follow this path through rest of the game and you'll see why planescape is a legendary game. (And why it scored 90+/100 on every gaming site and even got itself on Gamespot's "Best Games Ever list")

Gameplay was good in P:T, it wasn't great like in BG: Shadows of amn, but it was not anything bellow good.

As for forgetting old games that is one more thing I disagree with you on. We will N*E*V*E*R forget legends, and we'll allways keep Arrogantly pointing out to all the next generation of noobies that we've played all of the very best Gaming has to offer. I mean common? How can anyone who played System Shock and Deus Ex stand by and not laugh at someone who thinks bioshock is the first game to combine RPG with Shooter?

Legacy of Kain Series

The Longest Journey & Dreamfall

Planescape: Torment

Warcraft 3 & frozen throne

Morrowind

Baldur's Gate: Shadows of Amn

Neverwiter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark

Thief Series

Grim Fandango

Mafia

Portal

Syberia

Maybe your PC can't run the game, or windows needs reinstalling.

bed support sux though, I've only bought valve stuff on steam, +bloodlines and world of goo.

try this site, they sell old games and provide support on newer operating systems. Fallout is supported on vista.

http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/fallout_2

if you already have Fallout and run into trouble with vista try this site they should have latest fixes that will make game run on wista.

http://www.nma-fallout.com/

I remember having hard time playing first fall on XP, I made it work but with big efforts, Second game ran on xp with no problems. dunno about vista though, but since gog.com supports this game on vista there should be a way to run it.