I somewhat liked these endings since all I wanted was some answers to the questions they left. Although, I agree with Kevin in one thing, there should've been a bit more detail like the name plate thing.
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- Jun 27, 2012
Was the extended cut justified? GameSpot editors talk it out.
I agree with KVO in that the new endings just confirmed what I had already imagined. I didn't feel like it was a waste of time though mostly because I really like playing the game. I VERY much liked the original ending and liked the additional scenes as well. Wish I had time to play it again.
Bioware did good with the extended cut. I still can't believe the game's ending was so poor initially, but what's done is done, and the new endings and cut scenes improve an otherwise amazing game quite dramatically.
Completely agree with omniodis78. Bioware redeemed itself and gave the game the endings it deserved without creating a "Disney" ending. Now you really feel you can choose an appropriate ending for your Shepard's personality and you feel this great story has a real closure to it. If these extended cuts were the original endings, there would not be so much controversy. Thanks, Bioware, for listening to us, for keeping your creative independency and for creating THE BEST SCI FI GAME EVER: MASS EFFECT.
Just finished the 2nd run-through of ME3 and I must say I was pleased with how it was wrapped up. My issues with the incomplete, sorry, original, ending was not plot based but how BioWare executed it. It was dry, lame, uninspired and uninspiring. This new ending puts things into context, and so no, it's not a new ending, but a fixed ending, essentially how it should have been made to begin with. I believe that Remastered Editions (Director Cuts, Extended Cuts, etc.) in the movie industry are acceptable, and sometimes are great (Blade Runner vs. Blade Runner: Final Cut is a prime example), so why not in the game industry? Thanks BioWare, honestly, for having the balls to actually go back and fix a blatant error in judgement on your part and giving your fans what they deserved. Thank you!
Personally I blame EA for this. I'm betting the reactions would have been different if these endings came when the game was released even if that meant delaying the release date. Remaining plot holes aside, the EC wraps the whole thing up nicely, but since I've read all about the indoctrination theory and the fan made endings I couldn't watch the EC without thinking about those so didn't get the same thrill as when played the game for the very first time
I disliked Kevin's comments the most. I felt it was really uppity and douchey. "What I already knew in my mind..." It annoys me because the state the original state that the galaxy was in was in total disarray, there was no proof that all this stuff was going to be solved. This cut was needed. If this was the game in the beginning, none of the controversy would have happened and it would have been the true Halo of this generation. It still is, but very very stained.
The main problem they had was they created a enemy that was too strong and therefor had to be defeated by a over the top method. Would have been better if you could have defeated them in battle (fleet, planetary action). I like that they showed the worlds survived, but unfortunately they don't how. The same problem remains according to their own rules the solar systems should have been destroyed. This is why i would guess the fleet bugged out when they activated the crucible. Even this is problematic though, if you use the relays to escape then that means whatever your destination is YOUR STILL GOING TO BE NEXT TO A RELAY.
I enjoyed the series but i don't agree with those who feel "artistic creativity" gives you the right to make up an ending that ultimately makes no sense.
I have def lost my faith in bioware because of these endings. The end of the game still makes me feel like all my hard work for all 3 games was pointless and useless. There wasn't even one 'good' ending in which we could of at least fought back the reapers. Doomed from the beginning and everyone dies......I think that Bioware has way to much potential to make the series fail like this. Overall great game but lost my satisfaction of the game in the endings.
btw, did you notice the size of the EC download? It was like 1.8GB. I bet there's a hidden DLC in it (which probably needs to be paid for)
I wish the EC ending was there in the first place because they are average endings (not the crap ones that were there originally).
I do agree that if they rendered the ending to have your first name on the memorial plate, it would've been really really cool!
Synthesis is a odd ending, maybe it would've made more sense if only synthetics were altered to become more organic or get a better understanding of organics. It looked so weird that organics suddenly had circuits on their skin!?
i somehow liked the extended endings (specially the control one) but i felt some story elements were left off and didn't actually reflect the choices we made, the series was almost 100% choice-based since the beginning, but in the ending they just show the regular stuff... they don't show rachni fighting reapers, they don't show mercenaries fighting (the gangs from omega), those are the kind of choices that after all made no sense, why would i leave the rachni queen alive, just so they could help building the crucible? they're not engineers! they're killing machines, they showed that to us! get them to the fight, damn it!
If these were the original endings, I have a feeling there would have been a LOT less complaints. Nice that they went in and filled in the plot holes, and wrapped it all up.
Still, I think the indoctranation ending would have been a better route for Bioware to take. The fans found a ton of evidence pointing to that kind of ending, and I believe it would have been a very clever twist. Alas, we get a few cutscenes to fill in the plot holes.
Overall, good enough endings.
Anyone else notice they fixed the Gabby/Ken/Kaiden bug on the 360 with this? Strange they couldn't do just a straight update, but its nice to be able to hear the Gabby/Ken dialogues when you have Kaiden. Was hoping they also fixed the Predator X on 360 bug as well, but alas, they did not.
Synthetics vs organics was a small part of the story.. The Reapers came and harvested BEFORE chaos started happening between the 2 things.This game is NOT about organic vs Synthetics. Its about the CHAOS that ensues because of organics and Synthetics existing together. So the reapers would come a long everytime Synthetics and organics started working together and just before there was chaos the reapers would harvest everything and begin time again.
Man im SURE the people that didnt like the ending paid NO ATTENTION to the actual story. Seriously Organics vs Humans, is NOT the story. Thats the chaos WITHIN the story.
Oh common the Mass Effect 3 Endings were garbage now they're just garbage with Febreeze sprayed on it.
Kevin kinda pissed me off throughout this whole video. All he did was complain about the EC just like he said we all did about the OG.
I don't think those extended endings fix the fundamental problem, which is that basically the game 3 itself has exactly zero replay value for me, due to the silly 3 (and now 4) choices at the end. It was just "save before the end", reload, and choose the other ending. And by the way, now that there are 4, this is practically identical to "Deus Ex". The game 3 was basically for me a 10-hour movie (but cost double that), that made me do my chores just to get a few choices at the end.
@Ratcon After I beat Deus Ex i couldn't believe how much they stole from it. Beat mass effect first, and WOW it was pretty much the exact same ending thematically and executed the same way. Still the endings never bothered me, and the extended cuts were nice as i got more info that i wanted without completely changing them making it seem like i played the wrong game the first time lol. But yeah, i guess after they leaked the original ending they decided to rip off human revolution.
Mass Effect was a life changing experience for me. and allowed me to express myself morally, which mean 100% Paragon.THANK YOU SO MUCH BIOWARE, i Raise a glass to your greatness.U have ONE thing left to become the GREATESTBring The Heat In Dragon Age III
Thank you Bioware for an amazing game...well at least I think so. There is no original story or idea or original anything for that matter under the sun. Its all a bunch of remixed tweaked out versions or earlier ideas and concepts its something we all need to accept.
I loved the game because they told a thoroughly thought out and planned story in a immersed world with great characters and actually managed to make people care (including myself). From game one the kept people wanting to see the results of their choices and replaying to make different choices, which i have to say was the best part for me. Yes it sucked that once I got to the end of ME3 my choices didn't really mean anything, but I loved the game just the same and I still replay it. More explained endings or not the game was just awesome
@skratchmasta llollololololololololollollololol inorite?
I haven't seen an Asian with eyes like that outside animes (i.e. Brock in Pokemon).
Still, dun hate!
Guys ME story wasn't really good to begin with...
You all fell in love with ME1 because it's rare that a game has so much breath and depth in creating an alternate universe but if u look back and just look at the story by itself; without the roleplaying elements, without the in-depth logs of the other alien races, without the explorable plants, without the sex scenes and mini dating sim, if u just look at the story itself.
organics vs synthetics.
All you mutha fukas were expecting some sort of amazing ending but the story itself was hardly amazing so how can the ending be much different than the overdone story of 'war of the machines.'
I mean the Matrixs was good b.c there was a WTF moment but the sequels were meh. And of course who could forget Terminator but the 3rd one sucked so expectations for ME3 should be no different .
thats not the story, did you not play it?
Synthetics vs organics was a small part of the story. That was just to prevent chaos. The Reapers came and harvested BEFORE chaos started happening between the 2 things.This game is NOT about organic vs Synthetics. Its about the CHAOS that ensues because of organics and Synthetics existing together. So the reapers would come a long everytime Synthetics and organics started working together and just before there was chaos the reapers would harvest everything and begin time again.
Man im SURE the people that didnt like the ending paid NO ATTENTION to the actual story. Seriously Organics vs Humans, is NOT the story. Thats the chaos WITHIN the story.
You are asking me to take away all of the things that make it a good story. What's your point?
@Vince21C I agree completely, it wasn't the story that made the game good, the story itself is has been told a million times before (aliens want to kiil everything in existence) but it was the people and characters who made everything worth playing, and honestly I didn't see what was wrong with the original endings (until I did some research about it), but anyway I thought this free dlc ending helped get closure for everything in the story and game. Keelah Se'lai.
once more THANK YOU bioware
I just came here to say this...damn lots of whiners on the internet... wow some comments are just plain insane or plain stupid, but that's what happens when you put 11 and 13 year kids on computers...
some parents should be harvested for having offspring...
*assuming direct control*
@vadagar1 Yes, thank you Bioware!
We should be discussing what we think was great about the game and not what (some) people didn't like! I'm still sad it's over, but will restart again soon.
It was absolutely idiotic to think that it was meant to change the fundamentals of the original ending. It was to help give more closure and to fill in some plot holes. Not a waste of time in my opinion. Shepard still lived and I was given a glimpse of Miranda (actually wearing a dress) waiting for me to find her.
And for those who are complaining about wanting DLC with more action, it's still coming. *Obviously* it will take place before the ending.
These extended endings are pretty good. I didn't really need them, but am still happy with the way Bioware did it. This is my favorite series of all time and I am really looking forward to future games in this galaxy.
Really? You are really down to visit Star Wars the 169832429834289410281923981274109283209430 time?
@Vince21C Now that you mention it, it's time for me to watch my old Star Wars collection again. After that I can restart the ME trilogy.
It's different enough for me and I have high hopes that the quality of ME will remain high. If not, I can always fall back to the original(s).
I think it should of had 1 ending, none of this multiple choice sht. It would of been a lot clearer for people.
If you didnt like the end, Id recommend playing the whole series again but this time really pay attention to every conversation and read all of the texts. The ending of ME3 will make a LOT more sense to you and treat Mass Effect 3 as 1 giant 20-40 hour finale, not just the last 5 minutes, treat the WHOLE entire game as an ending, youll appreciate it a lot more, i know i did.
Nobody's buying it guys. You can probably stop now with these nonense ME3 ending "confessionals". I assure you that there's a lot of people that realize you're just embarrassing yourselves. Corporate stooges..
@DIREKTOR87 They getting money from people logging onto the site, click the video link, and commenting.It is a free gaming news//review site so they do need to get payed somehow.o and ads lol
@DIREKTOR87 Something like ME3 extending cut Coverage will get a lot of hits so they did this to boost user view counts as well as soak up all the gritty comments, good or bad lol.
What bull. Right.. I knew GameSpot gets a lot of money from the industry, I mean enough to give slanted reviews every now and again, when a game that was "supposed to be good" just isn't - but I never figured they get THIS much money. They're actually actively assisting them with damage control. Its like they're employed by these folks.
People are upset because we know how much more the ending could have been and that is the bottom line. It is not wishful thinking as we have been treated to some of the best and most consistent story telling in video gameing to that point from the epic ending of ME2, the fate of the genophage and Mordin's death (if that is the route you took) and the heartbreaking loss of either Tali or Legion on Rannoch if you could not ally the two sides. We know what Bioware is capable of and that is what is so disappointing for the fans. I am grateful they went to the trouble of spending the time and resources to do this for the fans, but the fact that the original ending was indeed meant to be taken at face value fails to remove the bitter taste.
Leading into ME3, I was anticipating some form of internal struggle with indoctrination within Shepard as it only made logical sense having played the first two and even thought the Indoctrination theory documentaries provided some pretty concrete evidence. Although lacking in closure, I was impressed Bioware had potentially crafted such an intriguing (albeit incomplete) ending that would be remembered for years. But alas....
Games that focus on story telling as good as Mass Effect does it don't come along too often in this day and age and that is why the people like myself who appreciate good single player stories over Call of Duty esque eye candy shooters have not moved on so easily. Who knows when or if we will ever get another original story driven game/trilogy like Mass Effect.
how about we get everyone who is unhappy with the endings teach them programming send them to bioware and have them program their own personal ending. seriously what ever happened to creative rights; you will find that the most memorable games, books, movies are the ones with controversial endings that don't please everyone not cookie cutter happily ever after endings
@ampthos Well if you're gonna say "creative" then you obviously didn't play ME3 before the extended ending because the original ending was anything but creative. If you're gonna add your two sense play the game first
@ampthos Creative rights only go so far without cash flow plain and simple and had Bioware been up front about choices and the endings thier cash flow would have suffered. Whether you acknowledge it or not Bioware knows that and is trying to regain lost trust and future revenue. Creative rights my ass lol.
@sanant0ni0 @ampthos yes but thats the whole problem when we begin challenging creative rights and negatively affecting cash flow when we don't agree with the endings it only creates incentive for game developers like bioware to take less risky and niche artistic direction within their games. its a self destructive measure that we as a free market impose on developers and publishers alike. i acknowledge that they are trying to regain lost revenue through mainstreaming their methods and that is what worries me. they will now be far less likey to go beyond and make innovative decisions due to a greater fear of the bottom line being susceptable to backlash. its not whether the ending itself was rephrehensible the matter is that the action taken to rectify the the incident will most likey damage future games with companies mitigating the likeyhood of backlash by creating endings and games that only fit the social norm and mainstream.
@ampthos First and foremost Bioware is in this to make a buck so they are trying to put a product out there that sells. They can take all the risks they want but if the free market doesn't support it thats the way of business. I could care less about them being innovative I don't need innovation to enjoy gaming. I still enjoy FF VII and Ocarina so they just need to do what they know works especially if they want mine and others money. Plus it's not my job to insure that publishers and developers succeed if the heat is too hot in the kitchen get the phuck out plain and simple.