Why is the Kinect getting so much hate?

I find the Kinect to be a very vital part of this next-gen's console, and I believe it would be detrimental to Microsoft to not go a step further with it after its debut with the 360. I hated the Kinect when I first heard of it on 360. But now it seems it will be a very great investment for Microsoft. Here are a few points: 1) The Kinect is now part of the Xbox console. You aren't being "forced" to buy it. 2) The Kinect now makes using the Xbox more convenient (e.g. voice commands, or voice-over for recorded gameplay) 3) The Kinect has great potential not only with use for Microsoft, but also third-party game developers. Who knows what those developers will deliver utilizing the Kinect? What are everyone else's thoughts on the Kinect? Are you for it, against it, or do you not care? Will the Kinect "force" you to not buy the Xbox One?Exiled_Badger

1) Actually you are. It should be an optional peripheral but nope, Microsoft is forcing everyone to buy it, and it seems like Kinect is largely responsible for the $100 price difference between the X1 and the PS4. Having to pay a hundred more dollars for something I never want to use does not sit well with me. 

2. Never liked voice commands, can be done just as easily using a controller or remote. 

3. If Kinect has such "great potential", we haven't seen it yet. The games made solely for it are shallow experiences that are nothing short of pathetic in the face of games which utilize the regular controller. 

kinect complaints = face palm. I'm going to reach far too. Why the hell does my car come with standard navigation unit!!! this is ridiculous!!!!! I shouldn't have to pay for that. im just going to take a blanket and cover it so i never have to see it. 

I just love kinect. A lot of golf fans spend thousands of dollars buying a golf simulator. I can do the same thing cheaper with xbox and tiger woods. We buy HDTV's and digital audio receivers so that we can watch sports and feel like we are at the stadium, we basically immerse our self's in the technology. I want to immerse my self in the game. instead of siting on a couch and playing a fps game I want to feel like I am in the game.

This being said putting a box that can in essence spy in you 24/7 is scary to think about. DenzelFreeman

Its weird that I have a ultrabook and a note 2 both having built in camera and could probably be watching all the time I just never think about. So from my perspective nothing is wrong with the kinect but to make people feel better MS needs to come out and tell people that you can disconnect it like the original kinect and the xbox will still work. I think that would help

but to make people feel better MS needs to come out and tell people that you can disconnect it like the original kinect and the xbox will still work. I think that would help

TheRealBigRich

I just love kinect. A lot of golf fans spend thousands of dollars buying a golf simulator. I can do the same thing cheaper with xbox and tiger woods. We buy HDTV's and digital audio receivers so that we can watch sports and feel like we are at the stadium, we basically immerse our self's in the technology. I want to immerse my self in the game. instead of siting on a couch and playing a fps game I want to feel like I am in the game.

jim1174

[QUOTE="DenzelFreeman"] This being said putting a box that can in essence spy in you 24/7 is scary to think about. Exiled_Badger

[QUOTE="TheRealBigRich"]

but to make people feel better MS needs to come out and tell people that you can disconnect it like the original kinect and the xbox will still work. I think that would help

Exiled_Badger

Other than Dancing games which were already successful prior to Kinect, the games suck.

I also don't like voice commands which btw have been around since headset games, so I would turn that off first chance.

I don't want to replace my fingers with my entire body, the games that release for the technology are very badly scored and I hate them, and overall it's not a product for me...ever.

I hooked up my kinect and played a couple games and yes it gets boring pretty fast. The only game that showed a lot of promise was gun stringer and it make me think that if the kinect 2.0 is more accurate then they might be able to make a game that would be pretty good. I think they just need 1 or 2 games that really takes advantage of the kinect while people are sitting down. Forza tried but could of been done better I mean picture driving a car and being able to switch gears with precision while sitting down. I know its doubtful but hey may the camera is just that good

[QUOTE="Exiled_Badger"][QUOTE="TheRealBigRich"]

but to make people feel better MS needs to come out and tell people that you can disconnect it like the original kinect and the xbox will still work. I think that would help

Supes_24

It doesn't belong to Sony. ShaineTheNerd

I have some Xbox party chat friends that hate PS2 Eyetoy games, Wii Motion heavy games, PSEye for PS3, and 360 Kinect rather equally.

Some people just don't dig motion controls and would prefer using hands instead of body.

They bought the Xbox and Xbox 360 for Halo, and of course we love us some GeoW and other fun MP games using Xbox Live Gold.

80 quid more than the ps4.

I find the Kinect to be a very vital part of this next-gen's console, and I believe it would be detrimental to Microsoft to not go a step further with it after its debut with the 360. I hated the Kinect when I first heard of it on 360. But now it seems it will be a very great investment for Microsoft. Here are a few points: 1) The Kinect is now part of the Xbox console. You aren't being "forced" to buy it. 2) The Kinect now makes using the Xbox more convenient (e.g. voice commands, or voice-over for recorded gameplay) 3) The Kinect has great potential not only with use for Microsoft, but also third-party game developers. Who knows what those developers will deliver utilizing the Kinect? What are everyone else's thoughts on the Kinect? Are you for it, against it, or do you not care? Will the Kinect "force" you to not buy the Xbox One?Exiled_Badger

1) Not being given a choice but to get it is being forced to get it. Sony is giving you the option to buy their camera seperately if you want to use it, if you do buy it it is 60 dollars meaning a ps4 with a camera is still cheaper than a xb1 with a camera. By your logic lets say you go to buy a new car. The car you want has a bunch of expensive and useless extra options you can buy but you do not want them so you dont get them, but if the dealership didnt give you the option to get those features but instead included them then you would be ok with paying a lot more for stuff you dont want because "Its part of the car"

2) Doing bodily motions and voice commands is actually less intuitive and much slower than using a remote. Hold a controller in your hand with and say "Throw grenade" clearly and in regaular speach speed, then push a button on the controller, now tell me which you could do faster and with less thought. Or sit infront of the tv with a controller or remote in your hand and face the screen, now wave your hand like you are using the kinect to switch through menus right to left, now use the controller/remote to push a button and tell me which was faster and required less effort. Now jump 3 times in a row high as you can, now push a button on a controller, tell me which one did you do faster that didnt interfere with your view of what was going on on the screen? You get the idea.

3) If the kinect has such great potential where is it? THe kinect was launched in 2010, thats 3 years ago. 3 years, it isnt exactly like this is still a new product. Where are the killer apps? The killer games? When has anyone with a kinect ever proclaimed how awesome it is? The wiimote got more praise than the kinect did. All of the games that require it suck, all the games that have support for it never get that fact talked about. Its even been widely use on the PC and still no one cares or has any real use for it despite having widely spread hacked PC drivers.

The hate is coming from people who bought the original Kinect and feel sucker punched from how bad it actually is and how much money they wasted on it.  Kinect is not exactly getting great word of mouth. Yes, it sold a lot....bravo to the MS marketing crew for that screw over, but people are wising up.

I find the Kinect to be a very vital part of this next-gen's console, and I believe it would be detrimental to Microsoft to not go a step further with it after its debut with the 360. I hated the Kinect when I first heard of it on 360. But now it seems it will be a very great investment for Microsoft. Here are a few points: 1) The Kinect is now part of the Xbox console. You aren't being "forced" to buy it. 2) The Kinect now makes using the Xbox more convenient (e.g. voice commands, or voice-over for recorded gameplay) 3) The Kinect has great potential not only with use for Microsoft, but also third-party game developers. Who knows what those developers will deliver utilizing the Kinect? What are everyone else's thoughts on the Kinect? Are you for it, against it, or do you not care? Will the Kinect "force" you to not buy the Xbox One?Exiled_Badger

1.  You're right,  thats why I'm not buying it

2.  Who wants to talk to the Xbox?  I feel strange enough talking to my dog sometimes

3.  "Great Potential".   I think I learned my lesson with the first Kinect.   

I was never a fan of the first Kinect.  My entertainment center had no room for it.

Whoever says "Oh well I haven't seen the potential yet," well no shit, because this next-gen hasn't been released yet. And if you think you are being forced to buy something you are not, just because the Kinect is an external piece, doesn't mean it is not part of the console. That's like saying you're being forced to buy the red, white, and yellow aux cables because they aren't inside the Xbox. Without them the Xbox would still run, you just wouldn't get the best experience. That is what MS is trying to do by integrating the Kinect. I must say again, I hated the Kinect at the beginning, it was the dumbest thing ever! But I could see where it was going to go, and MS is now starting to perfect it. Give them time. You think they are going to give you a perfect Kinect the second go around? WRONG! They are in it for the money just like Sony and everyone else. They have the technology to make the Kinect do everything but wash your ass for you. But they won't release that until a few generations down the road. So in the meantime, suck it up because the Kinect will be good, even if it isn't perfect.Exiled_Badger

Since all you did was repeat exactly what your original post said, Ill just repate all of my counter arguments that you did not bother to address...

1) Not being given a choice but to get it is being forced to get it. Sony is giving you the option to buy their camera seperately if you want to use it, if you do buy it it is 60 dollars meaning a ps4 with a camera is still cheaper than a xb1 with a camera. By your logic lets say you go to buy a new car. The car you want has a bunch of expensive and useless extra options you can buy but you do not want them so you dont get them, but if the dealership didnt give you the option to get those features but instead included them then you would be ok with paying a lot more for stuff you dont want because "Its part of the car"

2) Doing bodily motions and voice commands is actually less intuitive and much slower than using a remote. Hold a controller in your hand with and say "Throw grenade" clearly and in regaular speach speed, then push a button on the controller, now tell me which you could do faster and with less thought. Or sit infront of the tv with a controller or remote in your hand and face the screen, now wave your hand like you are using the kinect to switch through menus right to left, now use the controller/remote to push a button and tell me which was faster and required less effort. Now jump 3 times in a row high as you can, now push a button on a controller, tell me which one did you do faster that didnt interfere with your view of what was going on on the screen? You get the idea.

3) If the kinect has such great potential where is it? THe kinect was launched in 2010, thats 3 years ago. 3 years, it isnt exactly like this is still a new product. Where are the killer apps? The killer games? When has anyone with a kinect ever proclaimed how awesome it is? The wiimote got more praise than the kinect did. All of the games that require it suck, all the games that have support for it never get that fact talked about. Its even been widely use on the PC and still no one cares or has any real use for it despite having widely spread hacked PC drivers.

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"]It doesn't belong to Sony. SolidTy

I have some Xbox party chat friends that hate PS2 Eyetoy games, Wii Motion heavy games, PSEye for PS3, and 360 Kinect rather equally.

Some people just don't dig motion controls and would prefer using hands instead of body.

They bought the Xbox and Xbox 360 for Halo, and of course we love us some GeoW and other fun MP games using Xbox Live Gold.

[QUOTE="Exiled_Badger"]Whoever says "Oh well I haven't seen the potential yet," well no shit, because this next-gen hasn't been released yet. And if you think you are being forced to buy something you are not, just because the Kinect is an external piece, doesn't mean it is not part of the console. That's like saying you're being forced to buy the red, white, and yellow aux cables because they aren't inside the Xbox. Without them the Xbox would still run, you just wouldn't get the best experience. That is what MS is trying to do by integrating the Kinect. I must say again, I hated the Kinect at the beginning, it was the dumbest thing ever! But I could see where it was going to go, and MS is now starting to perfect it. Give them time. You think they are going to give you a perfect Kinect the second go around? WRONG! They are in it for the money just like Sony and everyone else. They have the technology to make the Kinect do everything but wash your ass for you. But they won't release that until a few generations down the road. So in the meantime, suck it up because the Kinect will be good, even if it isn't perfect.Gargus

Since all you did was repeat exactly what your original post said, Ill just repate all of my counter arguments that you did not bother to address...

1) Not being given a choice but to get it is being forced to get it. Sony is giving you the option to buy their camera seperately if you want to use it, if you do buy it it is 60 dollars meaning a ps4 with a camera is still cheaper than a xb1 with a camera. By your logic lets say you go to buy a new car. The car you want has a bunch of expensive and useless extra options you can buy but you do not want them so you dont get them, but if the dealership didnt give you the option to get those features but instead included them then you would be ok with paying a lot more for stuff you dont want because "Its part of the car"

2) Doing bodily motions and voice commands is actually less intuitive and much slower than using a remote. Hold a controller in your hand with and say "Throw grenade" clearly and in regaular speach speed, then push a button on the controller, now tell me which you could do faster and with less thought. Or sit infront of the tv with a controller or remote in your hand and face the screen, now wave your hand like you are using the kinect to switch through menus right to left, now use the controller/remote to push a button and tell me which was faster and required less effort. Now jump 3 times in a row high as you can, now push a button on a controller, tell me which one did you do faster that didnt interfere with your view of what was going on on the screen? You get the idea.

3) If the kinect has such great potential where is it? THe kinect was launched in 2010, thats 3 years ago. 3 years, it isnt exactly like this is still a new product. Where are the killer apps? The killer games? When has anyone with a kinect ever proclaimed how awesome it is? The wiimote got more praise than the kinect did. All of the games that require it suck, all the games that have support for it never get that fact talked about. Its even been widely use on the PC and still no one cares or has any real use for it despite having widely spread hacked PC drivers.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"]It doesn't belong to Sony. ShaineTheNerd

I have some Xbox party chat friends that hate PS2 Eyetoy games, Wii Motion heavy games, PSEye for PS3, and 360 Kinect rather equally.

Some people just don't dig motion controls and would prefer using hands instead of body.

They bought the Xbox and Xbox 360 for Halo, and of course we love us some GeoW and other fun MP games using Xbox Live Gold.

One of my buddies back from war in the middle east is in a Wheelchair and he plays COD, Halo, and GeoW all the time.

I don't think that is fair to say at all. He's just a war vet, that girl represents many types of wheelchair/disabled people.

Then there is the people that just don't like motion gaming, or gave it a chance with Kinect/Wii/Move and feel like it's not for them. Some people feel burned for buying Kinect 1.

Same goes for people that don't like Racing, sports, or FPS games...no matter how good, somethings people don't like.

My main point though as I am straying is disabled and Wheelchair people play games.

I have multiple consoles in my living room for me, my son and friends. I feel like the voice commands are going to interfere with my multiple xbox set up.

I have multiple consoles in my living room for me, my son and friends. I feel like the voice commands are going to interfere with my multiple xbox set up.

BLAS1AN

I have multiple consoles in my living room for me, my son and friends. I feel like the voice commands are going to interfere with my multiple xbox set up.

BLAS1AN

Sameboat right over here.

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

 

I have some Xbox party chat friends that hate PS2 Eyetoy games, Wii Motion heavy games, PSEye for PS3, and 360 Kinect rather equally.

Some people just don't dig motion controls and would prefer using hands instead of body.

They bought the Xbox and Xbox 360 for Halo, and of course we love us some GeoW and other fun MP games using Xbox Live Gold.

SolidTy

One of my buddies back from war in the middle east is in a Wheelchair and he plays COD, Halo, and GeoW all the time.

I don't think that is fair to say at all. He's just a war vet, that girl represents many types of wheelchair/disabled people.

Then there is the people that just don't like motion gaming, or gave it a chance with Kinect/Wii/Move and feel like it's not for them. Some people feel burned for buying Kinect 1.

Same goes for people that don't like Racing, sports, or FPS games...no matter how good, somethings people don't like.

My main point though as I am straying is disabled and Wheelchair people play games.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"] In all fairness, the person in the wheelchair wouldn't be playing games either way.ShaineTheNerd

One of my buddies back from war in the middle east is in a Wheelchair and he plays COD, Halo, and GeoW all the time.

I don't think that is fair to say at all. He's just a war vet, that girl represents many types of wheelchair/disabled people.

Then there is the people that just don't like motion gaming, or gave it a chance with Kinect/Wii/Move and feel like it's not for them. Some people feel burned for buying Kinect 1.

Same goes for people that don't like Racing, sports, or FPS games...no matter how good, somethings people don't like.

My main point though as I am straying is disabled and Wheelchair people play games.

"Why is the Kinect getting so much hate?"

because it's something that flat out sucks but yet we are forced to use it if we decide to buy an xbox one.

*sigh* so long 23k gamerscore...

[QUOTE="BLAS1AN"]

I have multiple consoles in my living room for me, my son and friends. I feel like the voice commands are going to interfere with my multiple xbox set up.

SolidTy

Sameboat right over here.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"] In all fairness, the person in the wheelchair wouldn't be playing games either way.ShaineTheNerd

One of my buddies back from war in the middle east is in a Wheelchair and he plays COD, Halo, and GeoW all the time.

I don't think that is fair to say at all. He's just a war vet, that girl represents many types of wheelchair/disabled people.

Then there is the people that just don't like motion gaming, or gave it a chance with Kinect/Wii/Move and feel like it's not for them. Some people feel burned for buying Kinect 1.

Same goes for people that don't like Racing, sports, or FPS games...no matter how good, somethings people don't like.

My main point though as I am straying is disabled and Wheelchair people play games.

My vet buddy may not like what you had to say, but he'd die to give you the right to say it. :P

It would be rather strategic if they removed the Kinect and offered a $400 alternative or even $350 to best Sony's efforts.

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

One of my buddies back from war in the middle east is in a Wheelchair and he plays COD, Halo, and GeoW all the time.

I don't think that is fair to say at all. He's just a war vet, that girl represents many types of wheelchair/disabled people.

Then there is the people that just don't like motion gaming, or gave it a chance with Kinect/Wii/Move and feel like it's not for them. Some people feel burned for buying Kinect 1.

Same goes for people that don't like Racing, sports, or FPS games...no matter how good, somethings people don't like.

My main point though as I am straying is disabled and Wheelchair people play games.

SolidTy

My vet buddy may not like what you had to say, but he'd die to give you the right to say it. :P

It would be rather strategic if they removed the Kinect and offered a $400 alternative or even $350 to best Sony's efforts.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"] ... I do feel burned. Not that Kinect isn't impressive, I just don't want to pay 100 more dollars for it. ShaineTheNerd

My vet buddy may not like what you had to say, but he'd die to give you the right to say it. :P

It would be rather strategic if they removed the Kinect and offered a $400 alternative or even $350 to best Sony's efforts.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"] ... I do feel burned. Not that Kinect isn't impressive, I just don't want to pay 100 more dollars for it. ShaineTheNerd

My vet buddy may not like what you had to say, but he'd die to give you the right to say it. :P

It would be rather strategic if they removed the Kinect and offered a $400 alternative or even $350 to best Sony's efforts.

kinect complaints = face palm. I'm going to reach far too. Why the hell does my car come with standard navigation unit!!! this is ridiculous!!!!! I shouldn't have to pay for that. im just going to take a blanket and cover it so i never have to see it. 

XxAK47xX

What a stupid post

You realize when you buy a car you get to choose the features you want and pay or not pay for them?

Seriously this is the dumbest comparrison i have seen in quite a while.

And as far as the kinect goes, it needs to be optional. No reason to tack on another $100 and force it in.

[QUOTE="Exiled_Badger"]I find the Kinect to be a very vital part of this next-gen's console, and I believe it would be detrimental to Microsoft to not go a step further with it after its debut with the 360. I hated the Kinect when I first heard of it on 360. But now it seems it will be a very great investment for Microsoft. Here are a few points: 1) The Kinect is now part of the Xbox console. You aren't being "forced" to buy it. 2) The Kinect now makes using the Xbox more convenient (e.g. voice commands, or voice-over for recorded gameplay) 3) The Kinect has great potential not only with use for Microsoft, but also third-party game developers. Who knows what those developers will deliver utilizing the Kinect? What are everyone else's thoughts on the Kinect? Are you for it, against it, or do you not care? Will the Kinect "force" you to not buy the Xbox One?Vari3ty

1) Actually you are. It should be an optional peripheral but nope, Microsoft is forcing everyone to buy it, and it seems like Kinect is largely responsible for the $100 price difference between the X1 and the PS4. Having to pay a hundred more dollars for something I never want to use does not sit well with me. 

2. Never liked voice commands, can be done just as easily using a controller or remote. 

3. If Kinect has such "great potential", we haven't seen it yet. The games made solely for it are shallow experiences that are nothing short of pathetic in the face of games which utilize the regular controller. 

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

[QUOTE="Exiled_Badger"]I find the Kinect to be a very vital part of this next-gen's console, and I believe it would be detrimental to Microsoft to not go a step further with it after its debut with the 360. I hated the Kinect when I first heard of it on 360. But now it seems it will be a very great investment for Microsoft. Here are a few points: 1) The Kinect is now part of the Xbox console. You aren't being "forced" to buy it. 2) The Kinect now makes using the Xbox more convenient (e.g. voice commands, or voice-over for recorded gameplay) 3) The Kinect has great potential not only with use for Microsoft, but also third-party game developers. Who knows what those developers will deliver utilizing the Kinect? What are everyone else's thoughts on the Kinect? Are you for it, against it, or do you not care? Will the Kinect "force" you to not buy the Xbox One?Rattlesnake_8

1) Actually you are. It should be an optional peripheral but nope, Microsoft is forcing everyone to buy it, and it seems like Kinect is largely responsible for the $100 price difference between the X1 and the PS4. Having to pay a hundred more dollars for something I never want to use does not sit well with me. 

2. Never liked voice commands, can be done just as easily using a controller or remote. 

3. If Kinect has such "great potential", we haven't seen it yet. The games made solely for it are shallow experiences that are nothing short of pathetic in the face of games which utilize the regular controller. 

[QUOTE="Gargus"]

[QUOTE="Exiled_Badger"]Whoever says "Oh well I haven't seen the potential yet," well no shit, because this next-gen hasn't been released yet. And if you think you are being forced to buy something you are not, just because the Kinect is an external piece, doesn't mean it is not part of the console. That's like saying you're being forced to buy the red, white, and yellow aux cables because they aren't inside the Xbox. Without them the Xbox would still run, you just wouldn't get the best experience. That is what MS is trying to do by integrating the Kinect. I must say again, I hated the Kinect at the beginning, it was the dumbest thing ever! But I could see where it was going to go, and MS is now starting to perfect it. Give them time. You think they are going to give you a perfect Kinect the second go around? WRONG! They are in it for the money just like Sony and everyone else. They have the technology to make the Kinect do everything but wash your ass for you. But they won't release that until a few generations down the road. So in the meantime, suck it up because the Kinect will be good, even if it isn't perfect.Exiled_Badger

Since all you did was repeat exactly what your original post said, Ill just repate all of my counter arguments that you did not bother to address...

1) Not being given a choice but to get it is being forced to get it. Sony is giving you the option to buy their camera seperately if you want to use it, if you do buy it it is 60 dollars meaning a ps4 with a camera is still cheaper than a xb1 with a camera. By your logic lets say you go to buy a new car. The car you want has a bunch of expensive and useless extra options you can buy but you do not want them so you dont get them, but if the dealership didnt give you the option to get those features but instead included them then you would be ok with paying a lot more for stuff you dont want because "Its part of the car"

2) Doing bodily motions and voice commands is actually less intuitive and much slower than using a remote. Hold a controller in your hand with and say "Throw grenade" clearly and in regaular speach speed, then push a button on the controller, now tell me which you could do faster and with less thought. Or sit infront of the tv with a controller or remote in your hand and face the screen, now wave your hand like you are using the kinect to switch through menus right to left, now use the controller/remote to push a button and tell me which was faster and required less effort. Now jump 3 times in a row high as you can, now push a button on a controller, tell me which one did you do faster that didnt interfere with your view of what was going on on the screen? You get the idea.

3) If the kinect has such great potential where is it? THe kinect was launched in 2010, thats 3 years ago. 3 years, it isnt exactly like this is still a new product. Where are the killer apps? The killer games? When has anyone with a kinect ever proclaimed how awesome it is? The wiimote got more praise than the kinect did. All of the games that require it suck, all the games that have support for it never get that fact talked about. Its even been widely use on the PC and still no one cares or has any real use for it despite having widely spread hacked PC drivers.