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#51 eiirish
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I just got an hdmi cable, and imo it does look better than the component cables o.^. I'm still running 1080p though, so I'm kind of surprised to actually notice a diffrence.

Btw can anyone explain the diffrence between full-hd and hd-ready 1080p? My tv says hd-ready 1080p, which kind of gives me mixed signals since I think of hd-ready as a tv that can display 720p, but mine still it says 1080p..

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#52 Dredg11
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I just got an hdmi cable, and imo it does look better than the component cables o.^. I'm still running 1080p though, so I'm kind of surprised to actually notice a diffrence.

Btw can anyone explain the diffrence between full-hd and hd-ready 1080p? My tv says hd-ready 1080p, which kind of gives me mixed signals since I think of hd-ready as a tv that can display 720p, but mine still it says 1080p..

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I never said an HDMI cable wouldn't look better than component. It does look better. Just sharper, and probably better colors though. "I'm still running 1080p though, so I'm kind of surprised to actually notice a diffrence." ^That doesn't make much sense though. When you were using component, the 360 couldn't have been at 1080p. So how are you "still" running 1080p? And notice a difference between what and what? Between HDMI and Component? Component doesn't display 1080p. And to answer your other question: Full HD is just what Sony calls "their" HD. As long as it says it's 1080p, you're getting a new TV.
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#53 eiirish
Member since 2005 • 25 Posts

I never said an HDMI cable wouldn't look better than component. It does look better. Just sharper, and probably better colors though. Dredg11
Oh I didn't actually think you said it either, but rather that I didn't think it would make a diffrence!

"I'm still running 1080p though, so I'm kind of surprised to actually notice a diffrence." ^That doesn't make much sense though. When you were using component, the 360 couldn't have been at 1080p. So how are you "still" running 1080p? And notice a difference between what and what? Between HDMI and Component? Component doesn't display 1080p.Dredg11
Ok, I assumed component cables could go at 1080p since there was an option for that on the xbox display settings. So what I thought was that both component and hdmi cables could went up to 1080p.

And to answer your other question: Full HD is just what Sony calls "their" HD. As long as it says it's 1080p, you're getting a new TV.Dredg11
Okey right.

Well thanks for the quick answers, I learnt some new stuff

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#54 Fodpea
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I play on 720 and its still really pretty
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#55 Dredg11
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I play on 720 and its still really prettyFodpea
That's because 360 games are 720p native resolution. To be honest, you don't really notice the difference between 720p and 1080p at all unless the TV is 50 inches or higher, since 720p in still plenty high res for a screen under 50 inches. I don't have a 1080p TV yet, so I run all my stuff at 720p. My 360, my PS3, watch blu-rays all at 720p. Everything looks great.
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#56 penpusher
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i think theres really needs to be a sticky in this board about xbox360's and HDTV (unless there is one and i just cant see it)

the amount of times ive seen this set of questions appear is insane, I even have reheardsed answers for a lot of this stuff :) lol yes i am that sad,,,but anyway a sticky is needed

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#57 Dredg11
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i think theres really needs to be a sticky in this board about xbox360's and HDTV (unless there is one and i just cant see it)

the amount of times ive seen this set of questions appear is insane, I even have reheardsed answers for a lot of this stuff :) lol yes i am that sad,,,but anyway a sticky is needed

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There was a sticky a long time ago...like when the 360 first came out. I guess they assume most people know by now...
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#58 Un4givingAsault
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It says on the back of the case dude
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#59 penpusher
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well with the amount of people asking these questions I'd say its quite likely most people dont really know :s
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It says on the back of the case dudeUn4givingAsault
lol wow...
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#61 Coolio86
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Just wondering how would a 46" Sony XBR8 handle a 720p game like Assassins Creed 2? Is there any lag? How exactly does this whole HDTV gaming lag thing work? I know that any SD game or console, like the Wii would lag on an HDTV, but if I play a Native 1080i or a native 720p game on a 1080p TV, like the XBR8, does the picture look as good on it as a TV with Native 720p or would it look good but not as good as a TV with naitve 720p? Would a 720p game in native resolution cause lag on a 1080p set?

I was really interested in the XBR8 and I need to know how it is with video games. I have a Wii, 360, and PS3, so if you know anything, please tell me. And is it possible to play Rock Band or Guitar Hero on a 1080p TV with no lag?

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#62 harald94
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Ok, I know this is an old thread, but do anyone else seem to get better FPS when using 720p instead op 1080p? I'm using HDMI btw..

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#63 Marka1700
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Apart from a few titles that do some things a little different, not matter what you set your Xbox to display in that game is still rendered in native resolution fixed by the games developer. Selecting 1080P in most cases just means that it will be upsacled. There should be no very little to no performance difference.

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#64 dcps210go
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if you have 40 inch hdtv set it to 1080p, it will reduce black level and not be as sharp, that is if you consider ps3 good graphics quality. You want that signal.

minor note: Usually glare, dark levels, aliasing and bump-mapping loss is less than 40 inch noticable. You know the 'unreal' effect from ut technology or close wall effects will be loss ala batman's threading on his chest muscles in batman arkham asylum on a smaller or native plasma hd television. 720p is then reccomended.

From my experience, here is a list of televisions I have tested with xbox 360:

Vizio 720p native HD under 36 inch - best res at 720p. True HD. Better textures, more noticable upclose bump-mapping textures appear. Sharper. Works with 1080p to reduce AA levels except lacks in sharpness and visible textures. 480p reduced component signal and 1080p standard or default is noticably reduced.

Sanyo 480p native HDMI tube - diamond cathode tube, false HD, best res at 1080i. 480p equivalent (sharp, strong signal). Blurred 720p signal (not sharp).

Sony 1080p native HD 50 inch - seems to be best at 1080p because of reduced black levels or what I call the 'bland effect' as compared to the use of ps3's cpu (# of gflops make its cpu much more powerful eg larger environments for HD). Reduced sharpness. Less Aliasing problems as well. True HD. No texture difference in scaling.

Usually the formentioned is most common, albeit it really depends on your setup and what tv *plasma* you have.






::Minor update cus im bored. The Vizio was infact a Proscan by General electronics (consumer electronics&gm or something) but all hd tvs at 24 inch or less act the same way with 720p eg sharper gra[phics and picture. You can get sony, vizio or watever and infact it will most likely be the same tv with the same functions. However i rec these tvs for xbox 360 since its in 720p. Ps3 can be good for 1080p tvs or 32inch and up but the graphics are simply considered when playing the type of game. FPS usually is better on ps3 because of the enhanced environments due to ram, but if you like games like arkham asylum, or arcade+racing with all the textures on the cape and roads etc. visible go for xbox 360. Besides who uses pc monitors these days anyways? I don't even use it for my PC gamebooster advanced sys care o/s. There is a stand-by mode which always works better than any console and its almost always auto-maintenance. Sure its only a 64bit cpu without a videocard installed, but with everything optimized i can run cs source at 60+ fps give or take the 1gig of ram. Thats why i have 360 on a seperate ethernet cord. Its for actual games. I go for stable over an over-hauled pc or console anyday. Thats why i only own pc, ps3 and dreamcast. That makes the double hd connecter come to use.

My Online Experience with Consoles in HD

Besides I'm one of those sad fanboys with a modem subscription and online access to the now defunct dreamcast system (over 200 games as well). I play xbox 360 by myself, but if a friend were to come over, wed play 2 player pc games like mugen, or dreamcast 4 player. I never use my xbox 360 for multiplayer party games. Its merely their for visual experience, which my pc would do if i upgraded it instead of bought the 360. But since 360 has netflix, youtube, better online exp etc now i went there. I would still play dreamcast if the games were online more than 360 though. Besides, Why play perfect dark zero online if youre not good at it? Why play pc games online if u dont have the hardware? When you have grawl and overg to fufill your experience it takes over but something's missing. Quake III, AFO, PSO and UT on the Dreamcast. I suck at 360 online unless its like graw...but my pc is great though. Almost acts like a console all in its own.

PC desktop on Sony HD tv 720p

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Why you ask did i abandon the past? WHy no systems like nes, snes etc. Because well they can be emulated on dc and pc...well not mine because its 64bit..maybe my work pc upstairs but thats like 1ghz speed 512 ram very slow. Besides Ps3 lacks what I needed, a PC gaming type setup eg red alert style without the hardware issues or incompatiblities. For strategy and reastic sim gamers like me whom don't play games all the time.

One qualm i have, PS3 SONY...u need more flightsims, like actual overg type sims on ps3 that act like flightsims. The lack of my knowledge for any puts me in dismay. The hardware is there but no sequal to aerowings or watever can be found, sadly...i mean com' on, even a new franchise would work...UFO area 51 flightsim anybody?:cool:

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I just recently bought an HDTV and am setting up my 360 on it (don't have the HDMI 360). I am confused about the "settings" on the monitor output on the Xbox. I can choose between 480p, 720p, 1080p, and 1080i. I'm not really sure which one to choose on it, I know not the 480 setting though. Also, does it depend on what the game is that I'm playing? Do all games on the 360 support 1080 or no? If not, do I have to change the settings on my console depending on which game I am playing? Finally, what is generally considered to be "better" for gaming 1080i or p? Thanks for the help, this HDTV stuff is pretty new to me still.xBoondockSTx

1080p is best quality if your tv runs at 1080p,or 2nd best is 720p-1080i tends to blur (interlaced output) whereas 1080p and 720p-(progressive)shows the frames frame by frame as they were originally created-or so i've read

I've got my 1080i lcd but 360,PS3 and cable tv all set at 720p-Most games are only made in 720p anyhows so far.

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#66 MazehcS0ul
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Yea, what's the point of this youwon't be in front of the screen while you play. So yea I just leave anything in default.

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#67 ofus
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[QUOTE="Dredg11"] The 360 displays 1080p through HDMI and VGA only. So if you don't have an HDMI 360, your only option for 1080p is VGA.

Actually the Component cable can output 1080p too: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Xbox360/Accessories/CablesNetworking/Xbox360ComponentHDCable
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#68 19elderscroll86
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[QUOTE="swaj123"]

don't worry about 1080p

As you said, you don't have the hdmi xbox, so you can only go as high as 1080i on component cables. However, bigger numbers aren't always better! That said, 720p is the mode you want to be gaming in for your setup. Even if you had the hdmi xbox, you wouldn't really see much difference between 720p and 1080p unless you have a 47inch or bigger tv

Osiris11235

The non-HDMI XBOX 360 can display 1080P over a component connection if connected to a TV that supports 1080P through a component connection. However, unlike with the HDMI and VGA connections, it will not up-convert DVDs to 1080P.

No because you cannot get 1080p through component, only 1080i.

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#69 deactivated-60e799a72eb68
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Here are some universal truths:

-99% of xbox 360 games are rendered at 720p or less, so the only purpose of setting the resolution higher is if your tv has a higher native reolution than this. The 360 will do a better job upscaling than the tv, and it will not introduce input lag.

-Component can do up to 1080p, but this is largely dependent on what signals the TV will except via component.

-DVDs are only upscaled via HDMI because of the HDCP encryption allowed from a digital signal. This prevents bit perfect copies to be made from the cable source, despite how easy it is do through other means.

-Native 1080p is better than 720p or 1080i. 720p vs 1080i is usually a matter of what the content is. Interlaced does poorly with motion, but can often reveal more detail in slower images. 720p is good for motion, but is the lowest res HD standard.

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#70 superclocked
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Here are some universal truths:

-99% of xbox 360 games are rendered at 720p or less, so the only purpose of setting the resolution higher is if your tv has a higher native reolution than this. The 360 will do a better job upscaling than the tv, and it will not introduce input lag.

-Component can do up to 1080p, but this is largely dependent on what signals the TV will except via component.

-DVDs are only upscaled via HDMI because of the HDCP encryption allowed from a digital signal. This prevents bit perfect copies to be made from the cable source, despite how easy it is do through other means.

-Native 1080p is better than 720p or 1080i. 720p vs 1080i is usually a matter of what the content is. Interlaced does poorly with motion, but can often reveal more detail in slower images. 720p is good for motion, but is the lowest res HD standard.

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All true statements,, but I'm still left wondering one thing.. How did you manage to destroy 6x 360's? lol
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Only 5. The 6 came to be because I created my account at a time when I thought the sixth was on it's death shelf. That was 3 years ago, and it's still going strong.

The first xbox began scratching discs. The console was horizontal and never budged once, so it was clearly defective.

The second could no longer read discs.

The third failed of red ring 17 days after recieving it.

The fourth also failed of red ring exactly 17 days after recieveing it.

The fifth began eating discs like the first.

The sixth was having very consistent freezing problems with fallout 3, but that was quickly found out to be a problem with the save file.