PS+ not required for Cross Game chat (why are we paying for XBLGold again?)

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#1 game_masta14
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http://www.gamechup.com/ps4-playstation-plus-details-cross-game-chat-doesnt-require-the-service/

 

We have some new details on PS Plus for the PS4. It will be required to play online but not for free-to-play games or MMOs. One subscription will grant access to all accounts on that system.

Cross game chat and other media functions wont require the subscription. This includes services like Netflix.

Games will be added and removed just like the current subscription on PS3 and you will be getting one new PS4 game every month. Its not clear whether it would be a PS Plus edition like DriveClub which has altered content.

The subscription isnt required for automatic updates. It will cost $50 or $5 per month. Its something you pay for PS Plus already on PS3 so it really isnt a surprise.

The PS4 will be released sometime later this year and according to some retailer listings in Europe, it could be out on November 13.

 

SO now that the reason most lems on here use to justify paying for LIVE Gold is being made free on PS4, is there a reason now to pay for LIVE Gold? Sure you have to pay for PS+ to play online but it's cheaper and with the value it brings (including free* games and discounts) it's hard to not see the value it brings to the table.

               *The free games are playable so long as your PS+ remains active and they remain in your download list forever whether or not you have PS+

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Would American patriotism be a good answer?

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By gamers for gamers, the Sony way and it's part of the Live, Learn and Love culture.
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#4 Badosh
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XBLG gets free games and discounts too. They seem nearly the same now. Except PSN is cheaper and is connected to the better console (PS4)
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#5 game_masta14
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XBLG gets free games...Badosh
Yeah about that, I've heard that it's only until the release of the Xbox One80 then that promo ends.

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#6 Badosh
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[QUOTE="Badosh"]XBLG gets free games and discounts too.game_masta14
Yeah about that, I've heard that it's only until the release of the Xbox One80 then that promo ends.

For now, I'm sure if they get more subs because of it, they'll continue it. Either way, you keep the games forever, and discounts will continue.
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#7 Snugenz
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MMO's were always separate to XBLG and i'd imagine F2P games will also be. Cross game chat for free is awesome though. Wonder if MS will follow suit now that Skype is integrated into the X1.

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#8 rjdofu
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You don't need gold for cross game chat :|. Unless this is party chat, this news means jack shit.
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In other news, PSN players are only paying for multiplayer. Justified.

 

Oh by the way, you can cross game chat with Xbox Live Silver. 

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You don't need gold for cross game chat :|. Unless this is party chat, this news means jack shit.rjdofu
This too, lol.
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XBLG gets free games and discounts too. They seem nearly the same now. Except PSN is cheaper and is connected to the better console (PS4)Badosh
Except you don't get any "free" games after x1 launches

I'd rather them have cross game chat with PS+ and have online play free, damnit.

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:lol: Lemmings like paying for M$ to own their butts they'll always find a way to justify paying for XBL even when there are no reasons to.
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:lol: Lemmings like paying for M$ to own their butts they'll always find a way to justify paying for XBL even when there are no reasons to.I_can_haz
But now cows have to pay for the exact same thing that free last gen. :?

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XBLG gets free games and discounts too. They seem nearly the same now. Except PSN is cheaper and is connected to the better console (PS4)Badosh
they just started copying PSN; and i wouldn't call offering Halo 3 and AC2 nearly the same as what PSN has offered...lol
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[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: Lemmings like paying for M$ to own their butts they'll always find a way to justify paying for XBL even when there are no reasons to.PonchoTaco

But now cows have to pay for the exact same thing that free last gen. :?

ughh some games don't require a subcription, planetside 2, dcu, warframe and i'm sure other f2p games will follow. Whats your next excuse
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[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: Lemmings like paying for M$ to own their butts they'll always find a way to justify paying for XBL even when there are no reasons to.PonchoTaco

But now cows have to pay for the exact same thing that free last gen. :?

Thanks to lemmings. If XBL wasn't such a success with dumb lems Sony wouldn't have had a need to copy M$ in that regard. Anyways, PS+ is still a much better deal than XBL which is why I'm an annual subscriber for it on PS3 even without the need to have it to play online :cool:.
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[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: Lemmings like paying for M$ to own their butts they'll always find a way to justify paying for XBL even when there are no reasons to.Chris_Williams

But now cows have to pay for the exact same thing that free last gen. :?

ughh some games don't require a subcription, planetside 2, dcu, warframe and i'm sure other f2p games will follow. Whats your next excuse

He has none :lol:
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We've gone from "I would never support a company locking out a portion of the game I paid for" to "we don't have to pay for PSN+ to play free to play games online or use voice chat."
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This is next generation shit right here!
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[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: Lemmings like paying for M$ to own their butts they'll always find a way to justify paying for XBL even when there are no reasons to.Chris_Williams

But now cows have to pay for the exact same thing that free last gen. :?

ughh some games don't require a subcription, planetside 2, dcu, warframe and i'm sure other f2p games will follow. Whats your next excuse

All are sub par games. Only hold interest for about an hour or two.
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]But now cows have to pay for the exact same thing that free last gen. :?PonchoTaco
ughh some games don't require a subcription, planetside 2, dcu, warframe and i'm sure other f2p games will follow. Whats your next excuse

All are sub par games. Only hold interest for about an hour or two.

:lol: PS2 is subpar? Wow......just wow.
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[QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="PonchoTaco"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] ughh some games don't require a subcription, planetside 2, dcu, warframe and i'm sure other f2p games will follow. Whats your next excuse

All are sub par games. Only hold interest for about an hour or two.

:lol: PS2 is subpar? Wow......just wow.

I've had the game downloaded since it was released. Only played for about an hour and it was meh.
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[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"][QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="PonchoTaco"] All are sub par games. Only hold interest for about an hour or two.

:lol: PS2 is subpar? Wow......just wow.

I've had the game downloaded since it was released. Only played for about an hour and it was meh.

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XBLG gets free games and discounts too. They seem nearly the same now. Except PSN is cheaper and is connected to the better console (PS4)Badosh

Giving out AC2 for free ( XBLA ) is the same as giving out Uncharted 3, LBP Karting and Dues Ex?? you forget that PS+ gives more than 4 games sometimes a week and in a month more than 9 or 10 so they are not nearly similar but very far off.

PS+ also is one service acorss 3 systems ( PS3, PSVita and PS4 ) not to mention $10 cheaper which you noted.

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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]But now cows have to pay for the exact same thing that free last gen. :?PonchoTaco
ughh some games don't require a subcription, planetside 2, dcu, warframe and i'm sure other f2p games will follow. Whats your next excuse

All are sub par games. Only hold interest for about an hour or two.

sorry you have the attention span of a goldfish but that isn't sony's problem, what i'm just trying to say is you get more bang for your buck. Plus if you own a ps3, vita and get a ps4 and you have ps+ you will have different games to play every week and if you don't feel like paying for it you still have access to multiplayer games FOR FREE something microsoft is never going to do since they always run a closed network.
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#26 Badosh
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Giving out AC2 for free ( XBLA ) is the same as giving out Uncharted 3, LBP Karting and Dues Ex??finalstar2007
Sure, they are all games I don't give a shit about.
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#27 Ninja-Hippo
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Xbox Live wouldn't be so bad if they gave silver members a bone. They try to make Gold seem like it offers more by locking so many features out of the silver membership, but it doesn't come off as 'wow Gold offers me a lot', it comes off as 'wow, MS wants me to pay to use my own Netflix?' 'I cant even use the internet explorer app without a gold membership?'
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You have to pay to play multiplayer on PSN :lol: Stop the DC
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="PonchoTaco"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] ughh some games don't require a subcription, planetside 2, dcu, warframe and i'm sure other f2p games will follow. Whats your next excuse

All are sub par games. Only hold interest for about an hour or two.

sorry you have the attention span of a goldfish but that isn't sony's problem, what i'm just trying to say is you get more bang for your buck. Plus if you own a ps3, vita and get a ps4 and you have ps+ you will have different games to play every week and if you don't feel like paying for it you still have access to multiplayer games FOR FREE something microsoft is never going to do since they always run a closed network.

Eh, I've been doing that since forever with my PC. Consolites are just getting this? Good to hear.
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ps4 day motherfvcking 1 ps plus >>>>> xbl gold FACT 

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[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="PonchoTaco"] All are sub par games. Only hold interest for about an hour or two.

sorry you have the attention span of a goldfish but that isn't sony's problem, what i'm just trying to say is you get more bang for your buck. Plus if you own a ps3, vita and get a ps4 and you have ps+ you will have different games to play every week and if you don't feel like paying for it you still have access to multiplayer games FOR FREE something microsoft is never going to do since they always run a closed network.

Eh, I've been doing that since forever with my PC. Consolites are just getting this? Good to hear.

i do it on my pc all the time too but i'm not a fanboy when I see a service thats way better in value then the other (psn + versus xbox live)
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XBL has tons more stuff than PSN and tons more features. The only thing that make sense here that is being said is that you can rent free games from PSN+, but atm, the XBL has a similar thing. Except you keep the games instead of rent them. It seems people are just trying to justify the price, the same things people said PSN was better than Xboxlive on the PS3, is the same reasons that they think its worth paying for all of a sudden?
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In other news, PSN players are only paying for multiplayer. Justified.

 

Oh by the way, you can cross game chat with Xbox Live Silver. 

PonchoTaco
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[QUOTE="Suitcaseman"]XBL has tons more stuff than PSN and tons more features. The only thing that make sense here that is being said is that you can rent free games from PSN+, but atm, the XBL has a similar thing. Except you keep the games instead of rent them. It seems people are just trying to justify the price, the same things people said PSN was better than Xboxlive on the PS3, is the same reasons that they think its worth paying for all of a sudden?

and what are these tons more stuff that xbox live has?
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[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] sorry you have the attention span of a goldfish but that isn't sony's problem, what i'm just trying to say is you get more bang for your buck. Plus if you own a ps3, vita and get a ps4 and you have ps+ you will have different games to play every week and if you don't feel like paying for it you still have access to multiplayer games FOR FREE something microsoft is never going to do since they always run a closed network. Chris_Williams
Eh, I've been doing that since forever with my PC. Consolites are just getting this? Good to hear.

i do it on my pc all the time too but i'm not a fanboy when I see a service thats way better in value then the other (psn + versus xbox live)

I'm no fan boy either. I just don't see any justification for buying a $60 game and not having the whole game unlocked from the get-go.

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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Suitcaseman"]XBL has tons more stuff than PSN and tons more features. The only thing that make sense here that is being said is that you can rent free games from PSN+, but atm, the XBL has a similar thing. Except you keep the games instead of rent them. It seems people are just trying to justify the price, the same things people said PSN was better than Xboxlive on the PS3, is the same reasons that they think its worth paying for all of a sudden?

and what are these tons more stuff that xbox live has?

Play one. Then play the other. Live is vastly superior. It is an objective fact. Xbox Live is worse for price gauging you though, as without a membership fee you get jack squat. 90% of the console's functionality is dead to you. Single player games. That's about it.
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[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: Lemmings like paying for M$ to own their butts they'll always find a way to justify paying for XBL even when there are no reasons to.PonchoTaco

But now cows have to pay for the exact same thing that free last gen. :?

But they're still paying for the free games they've been paying for this gen with PS+
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Suitcaseman"]XBL has tons more stuff than PSN and tons more features. The only thing that make sense here that is being said is that you can rent free games from PSN+, but atm, the XBL has a similar thing. Except you keep the games instead of rent them. It seems people are just trying to justify the price, the same things people said PSN was better than Xboxlive on the PS3, is the same reasons that they think its worth paying for all of a sudden?Ninja-Hippo
and what are these tons more stuff that xbox live has?

Play one. Then play the other. Live is vastly superior. It is an objective fact. Xbox Live is worse for price gauging you though, as without a membership fee you get jack squat. 90% of the console's functionality is dead to you. Single player games. That's about it.

>Says it's an objective fact

 

>Fails to list reasons why it's an objective fact.

 

Story of SW.

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Suitcaseman"]XBL has tons more stuff than PSN and tons more features. The only thing that make sense here that is being said is that you can rent free games from PSN+, but atm, the XBL has a similar thing. Except you keep the games instead of rent them. It seems people are just trying to justify the price, the same things people said PSN was better than Xboxlive on the PS3, is the same reasons that they think its worth paying for all of a sudden?

and what are these tons more stuff that xbox live has?

Play one. Then play the other. Live is vastly superior. It is an objective fact. Xbox Live is worse for price gauging you though, as without a membership fee you get jack squat. 90% of the console's functionality is dead to you. Single player games. That's about it.

great opinion there buddy
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By gamers for gamers, the Sony way and it's part of the Live, Learn and Love culture. Heil68
this...
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] and what are these tons more stuff that xbox live has? Chris_Williams
Play one. Then play the other. Live is vastly superior. It is an objective fact. Xbox Live is worse for price gauging you though, as without a membership fee you get jack squat. 90% of the console's functionality is dead to you. Single player games. That's about it.

great opinion there buddy

Its not an opinion, its fact. I'm not surprised you're confused though, as someone who never plays on the Xbox.

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XBLG gets free games and discounts too. They seem nearly the same now. Except PSN is cheaper and is connected to the better console (PS4)Badosh
so wrongggggg.... psn+ u get 8 a month and not 8 year old games
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>Says it's an objective fact

 

>Fails to list reasons why it's an objective fact.

 

Story of SW.

I_can_haz
The entire point that the very short post was making is that one is an all-round better experience than the other which requires that a person sit down and spend time with it rather than just listing features side by side.
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#44 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Play one. Then play the other. Live is vastly superior. It is an objective fact. Xbox Live is worse for price gauging you though, as without a membership fee you get jack squat. 90% of the console's functionality is dead to you. Single player games. That's about it. RR360DD

great opinion there buddy

Its not an opinion, its fact. I'm not surprised you're confused though, as someone who never plays on the Xbox.

i have a 360 and had live when I got a trial for it, after it ended i went back to playing multiplayer games on my ps3, obviously must not have been that special if I didn't see what the hell people were paying for.
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#45 I_can_haz
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[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]

>Says it's an objective fact

 

>Fails to list reasons why it's an objective fact.

 

Story of SW.

Ninja-Hippo
The entire point that the very short post was making is that one is an all-round better experience than the other which requires that a person sit down and spend time with it rather than just listing features side by side.

What you're describing sounds like an opinion not an objective fact. If you say something is an objective fact you should be able to list reasons why it is.
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#46 rell84
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the reaching is very strong coming from xbox stans funny lems wanted online to drop free so they could have bragging rights but nope all they hear is how ps4 will have cross game chat without having ps plus d@mn :lol:

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#47 tdkmillsy
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Xbox live on Xbox One has dedicated servers, end of discussion. Come back when PSN has grown up.
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the reaching is very strong coming from xbox stans funny lems wanted online to drop free so they could have bragging rights but nope all they hear is how ps4 will have cross game chat without having ps plus d@mn :lol:

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You don't have to have gold to cross-game chat.
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#49 Suitcaseman
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Suitcaseman"]XBL has tons more stuff than PSN and tons more features. The only thing that make sense here that is being said is that you can rent free games from PSN+, but atm, the XBL has a similar thing. Except you keep the games instead of rent them. It seems people are just trying to justify the price, the same things people said PSN was better than Xboxlive on the PS3, is the same reasons that they think its worth paying for all of a sudden?

and what are these tons more stuff that xbox live has?

Features, deals, store, music, movies, ordering, contests, Gamerpoints can be redeemed for prices, speed, upload speed, download speed, atm web surfing speed, more games this gen for download, includes arcade, includes indies, includes GOD, More connectivity options with outside devices, Office is coming etc.
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#50 legalize82
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[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]

>Says it's an objective fact

 

>Fails to list reasons why it's an objective fact.

 

Story of SW.

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The entire point that the very short post was making is that one is an all-round better experience than the other which requires that a person sit down and spend time with it rather than just listing features side by side.

the entire point is that u dont have a clue... psn+ >>>>>>>> xbox live dont try to twist it