Poll: Americans Want Free Stuff, Paid for by Others

Says Politico: The American public overwhelmingly favors raising taxes on the rich as a way to pay down the deficit, while opposing a hike in the Medicare eligibility age or eliminating tax deductions, according to a poll released Wednesday.

For Medicare and Social Security to remain solvent, the U.S. government would have to invest over $220 trillion right now, and get a roughly five percent rate of return. Medicare alone accounts for easily 80% of that. And the American public wont tolerate even a two-year extension of the retirement age.

Meanwhile, they think successful people owe them money. Someone who earns, say, $300K per year does so not because of political connections or cronyism. Those people earn in the millions. The $300K guy is the person who worked his tail off over many years of serving the public in some valuable way. And complete strangers think they have the right to a portion of his life. Of five days of this guys labor, these people feel entitled to at least two of them. A total stranger to them. He owes them at least 40% of his life.

(Incidentally, add up the sales taxes people pay every day, plus the extra-high taxes for parking and hotels, plus state income taxes, plus property taxes, plus gas taxes, plus all the taxes you see listed on your cable bill, and on and on, and your tax payment winds up a lot higher than whatever federal income tax rate happens to hit you.)

Why is it that right-wing posters always defende the "hard working rich" but always decry the "hard working poor" as lazy, selfish and far more interested in other people's money?

Someone please enlighten me.

You and everyone else who cries "wealth redistribution" clearly doesnt understand the issue at hand and is just shouting the conservative battle cry. This has nothing to do with taking from the rich to give to the poor (although some democrats like Obama painted that narrative). This is about Bush creating a very large and TEMPORARY tax break to help stimulate the economy. The tax break was made temporary because it was too big to be sustained. We cant afford it long term.

But some are trying to make it permanent by painting this as a tax increase. NO. Let the TEMPORARY tax breaks expire like they were meant to. Feel free to make new tax breaks that we can afford but the Bush tax cuts were made temporary for a reason.

Why is it that right-wing posters always defende the "hard working rich" but always decry the "hard working poor" as lazy, selfish and far more interested in other people's money?

Someone please enlighten me.

jimkabrhel

You and everyone else who cries "wealth redistribution" clearly doesnt understand the issue at hand and is just shouting the conservative battle cry. This has nothing to do with taking from the rich to give to the poor (although some democrats like Obama painted that narrative). This is about Bush creating a very large and TEMPORARY tax break to help stimulate the economy. The tax break was made temporary because it was too big to be sustained. We cant afford it long term.

But some are trying to make it permanent by painting this as a tax increase. NO. Let the TEMPORARY tax breaks expire like they were meant to. Feel free to make new tax breaks that we can afford but the Bush tax cuts were made temporary for a reason.

Diablo-B

Says Politico: The American public overwhelmingly favors raising taxes on the rich as a way to pay down the deficit, while opposing a hike in the Medicare eligibility age or eliminating tax deductions, according to a poll released Wednesday.

For Medicare and Social Security to remain solvent, the U.S. government would have to invest over $220 trillion right now, and get a roughly five percent rate of return. Medicare alone accounts for easily 80% of that. And the American public wont tolerate even a two-year extension of the retirement age.

Meanwhile, they think successful people owe them money. Someone who earns, say, $300K per year does so not because of political connections or cronyism. Those people earn in the millions. The $300K guy is the person who worked his tail off over many years of serving the public in some valuable way. And complete strangers think they have the right to a portion of his life. Of five days of this guys labor, these people feel entitled to at least two of them. A total stranger to them. He owes them at least 40% of his life.

(Incidentally, add up the sales taxes people pay every day, plus the extra-high taxes for parking and hotels, plus state income taxes, plus property taxes, plus gas taxes, plus all the taxes you see listed on your cable bill, and on and on, and your tax payment winds up a lot higher than whatever federal income tax rate happens to hit you.)

weedfacekilla

In my opinion, people like you are monsters, in your perfect world defective children would be left in the woods to die spartan fashion to avoid them be a 'burden' to you.

i think a better option would be to cut wasteful military spending rather than cut people's benefits although we need less spending overall

How does wanting to raise taxes on wealthy to pay down the deficity=thinking rich people own them money?

It is simply recognized that the wealthy will be less economically impacted by increased taxes.

I also don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to maintain entitlements. People have to make ends meet and entitlements help them do just that.

That being said, we do need to fiscally restructure entitlements.

In my opinion, people like you are monsters, in your perfect world defective children would be left in the woods to die spartan fashion to avoid them be a 'burden' to you.tenaka2

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"]

Says Politico: The American public overwhelmingly favors raising taxes on the rich as a way to pay down the deficit, while opposing a hike in the Medicare eligibility age or eliminating tax deductions, according to a poll released Wednesday.

For Medicare and Social Security to remain solvent, the U.S. government would have to invest over $220 trillion right now, and get a roughly five percent rate of return. Medicare alone accounts for easily 80% of that. And the American public wont tolerate even a two-year extension of the retirement age.

Meanwhile, they think successful people owe them money. Someone who earns, say, $300K per year does so not because of political connections or cronyism. Those people earn in the millions. The $300K guy is the person who worked his tail off over many years of serving the public in some valuable way. And complete strangers think they have the right to a portion of his life. Of five days of this guys labor, these people feel entitled to at least two of them. A total stranger to them. He owes them at least 40% of his life.

(Incidentally, add up the sales taxes people pay every day, plus the extra-high taxes for parking and hotels, plus state income taxes, plus property taxes, plus gas taxes, plus all the taxes you see listed on your cable bill, and on and on, and your tax payment winds up a lot higher than whatever federal income tax rate happens to hit you.)

tenaka2

In my opinion, people like you are monsters, in your perfect world defective children would be left in the woods to die spartan fashion to avoid them be a 'burden' to you.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"]

Says Politico: The American public overwhelmingly favors raising taxes on the rich as a way to pay down the deficit, while opposing a hike in the Medicare eligibility age or eliminating tax deductions, according to a poll released Wednesday.

For Medicare and Social Security to remain solvent, the U.S. government would have to invest over $220 trillion right now, and get a roughly five percent rate of return. Medicare alone accounts for easily 80% of that. And the American public wont tolerate even a two-year extension of the retirement age.

Meanwhile, they think successful people owe them money. Someone who earns, say, $300K per year does so not because of political connections or cronyism. Those people earn in the millions. The $300K guy is the person who worked his tail off over many years of serving the public in some valuable way. And complete strangers think they have the right to a portion of his life. Of five days of this guys labor, these people feel entitled to at least two of them. A total stranger to them. He owes them at least 40% of his life.

(Incidentally, add up the sales taxes people pay every day, plus the extra-high taxes for parking and hotels, plus state income taxes, plus property taxes, plus gas taxes, plus all the taxes you see listed on your cable bill, and on and on, and your tax payment winds up a lot higher than whatever federal income tax rate happens to hit you.)

weedfacekilla

In my opinion, people like you are monsters, in your perfect world defective children would be left in the woods to die spartan fashion to avoid them be a 'burden' to you.

If charity alone could address all the need out there, there would be no reason for entitlements/welfare/etc. Charity can help, but the funds of charities are hardly robust or stable enough to shoulder the immense burden that the government takes upon itself.

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"]

Says Politico: The American public overwhelmingly favors raising taxes on the rich as a way to pay down the deficit, while opposing a hike in the Medicare eligibility age or eliminating tax deductions, according to a poll released Wednesday.

For Medicare and Social Security to remain solvent, the U.S. government would have to invest over $220 trillion right now, and get a roughly five percent rate of return. Medicare alone accounts for easily 80% of that. And the American public wont tolerate even a two-year extension of the retirement age.

Meanwhile, they think successful people owe them money. Someone who earns, say, $300K per year does so not because of political connections or cronyism. Those people earn in the millions. The $300K guy is the person who worked his tail off over many years of serving the public in some valuable way. And complete strangers think they have the right to a portion of his life. Of five days of this guys labor, these people feel entitled to at least two of them. A total stranger to them. He owes them at least 40% of his life.

(Incidentally, add up the sales taxes people pay every day, plus the extra-high taxes for parking and hotels, plus state income taxes, plus property taxes, plus gas taxes, plus all the taxes you see listed on your cable bill, and on and on, and your tax payment winds up a lot higher than whatever federal income tax rate happens to hit you.)

tenaka2

In my opinion, people like you are monsters, in your perfect world defective children would be left in the woods to die spartan fashion to avoid them be a 'burden' to you.

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

In my opinion, people like you are monsters, in your perfect world defective children would be left in the woods to die spartan fashion to avoid them be a 'burden' to you.

GreySeal9

If charity alone could address all the need out there, there would be no reason for entitlements/welfare/etc. Charity can help, but the funds of charities are hardly robust or stable enough to shoulder the immense burden that the government takes upon itself.

[QUOTE="Diablo-B"]

You and everyone else who cries "wealth redistribution" clearly doesnt understand the issue at hand and is just shouting the conservative battle cry. This has nothing to do with taking from the rich to give to the poor (although some democrats like Obama painted that narrative). This is about Bush creating a very large and TEMPORARY tax break to help stimulate the economy. The tax break was made temporary because it was too big to be sustained. We cant afford it long term.

But some are trying to make it permanent by painting this as a tax increase. NO. Let the TEMPORARY tax breaks expire like they were meant to. Feel free to make new tax breaks that we can afford but the Bush tax cuts were made temporary for a reason.

weedfacekilla

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]In my opinion, people like you are monsters, in your perfect world defective children would be left in the woods to die spartan fashion to avoid them be a 'burden' to you.jim_shorts

Its the end result.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"] In my opinion, people like you who think they're benevolent because they take people's money at gun point clearly don't understand charity, point me to a time in American history where there were kids starving because we didn't have wealth redistribution, what you mention (defective children) is a very small portion of the population that CHARITY could take care of them. the monsters are people like you who think the world owes them somethingweedfacekilla

If charity alone could address all the need out there, there would be no reason for entitlements/welfare/etc. Charity can help, but the funds of charities are hardly robust or stable enough to shoulder the immense burden that the government takes upon itself.

Pretty much any time in U.S. history prior to FDR.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"] In my opinion, people like you who think they're benevolent because they take people's money at gun point clearly don't understand charity, point me to a time in American history where there were kids starving because we didn't have wealth redistribution, what you mention (defective children) is a very small portion of the population that CHARITY could take care of them. the monsters are people like you who think the world owes them somethingweedfacekilla

If charity alone could address all the need out there, there would be no reason for entitlements/welfare/etc. Charity can help, but the funds of charities are hardly robust or stable enough to shoulder the immense burden that the government takes upon itself.

You do realize that entitlements/safety nets were a result of a period of history in which people were starving, right?

(Incidentally, add up the sales taxes people pay every day, plus the extra-high taxes for parking and hotels, plus state income taxes, plus property taxes, plus gas taxes, plus all the taxes you see listed on your cable bill, and on and on, and your tax payment winds up a lot higher than whatever federal income tax rate happens to hit you.)

weedfacekilla

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]In my opinion, people like you are monsters, in your perfect world defective children would be left in the woods to die spartan fashion to avoid them be a 'burden' to you.tenaka2

Its the end result.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"]

Says Politico: The American public overwhelmingly favors raising taxes on the rich as a way to pay down the deficit, while opposing a hike in the Medicare eligibility age or eliminating tax deductions, according to a poll released Wednesday.

For Medicare and Social Security to remain solvent, the U.S. government would have to invest over $220 trillion right now, and get a roughly five percent rate of return. Medicare alone accounts for easily 80% of that. And the American public wont tolerate even a two-year extension of the retirement age.

Meanwhile, they think successful people owe them money. Someone who earns, say, $300K per year does so not because of political connections or cronyism. Those people earn in the millions. The $300K guy is the person who worked his tail off over many years of serving the public in some valuable way. And complete strangers think they have the right to a portion of his life. Of five days of this guys labor, these people feel entitled to at least two of them. A total stranger to them. He owes them at least 40% of his life.

(Incidentally, add up the sales taxes people pay every day, plus the extra-high taxes for parking and hotels, plus state income taxes, plus property taxes, plus gas taxes, plus all the taxes you see listed on your cable bill, and on and on, and your tax payment winds up a lot higher than whatever federal income tax rate happens to hit you.)

weedfacekilla

In my opinion, people like you are monsters, in your perfect world defective children would be left in the woods to die spartan fashion to avoid them be a 'burden' to you.

Sorry, you are not a charitable person, you are simply greedy. Where would this charity come from if everyone thought like you?

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]In my opinion, people like you are monsters, in your perfect world defective children would be left in the woods to die spartan fashion to avoid them be a 'burden' to you.tenaka2

Its the end result.

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

In my opinion, people like you are monsters, in your perfect world defective children would be left in the woods to die spartan fashion to avoid them be a 'burden' to you.

tenaka2

Sorry, you are not a charitable person, you are simply greedy. Where would this charity come from if everyone thought like you?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"] Fiscal conservatism is not equal to eugenics.weedfacekilla

Its the end result.

just gonna leave this here

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

In my opinion, people like you are monsters, in your perfect world defective children would be left in the woods to die spartan fashion to avoid them be a 'burden' to you.

tenaka2

Sorry, you are not a charitable person, you are simply greedy. Where would this charity come from if everyone thought like you?

i guess it makes me greedy to want to keep the money I've earned

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"] Fiscal conservatism is not equal to eugenics.weedfacekilla

Its the end result.

1930s.. obviously oblivious to the great depression.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"] In my opinion, people like you who think they're benevolent because they take people's money at gun point clearly don't understand charity, point me to a time in American history where there were kids starving because we didn't have wealth redistribution, what you mention (defective children) is a very small portion of the population that CHARITY could take care of them. the monsters are people like you who think the world owes them somethingmingmao3046

Sorry, you are not a charitable person, you are simply greedy. Where would this charity come from if everyone thought like you?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"] In my opinion, people like you who think they're benevolent because they take people's money at gun point clearly don't understand charity, point me to a time in American history where there were kids starving because we didn't have wealth redistribution, what you mention (defective children) is a very small portion of the population that CHARITY could take care of them. the monsters are people like you who think the world owes them somethingweedfacekilla

Sorry, you are not a charitable person, you are simply greedy. Where would this charity come from if everyone thought like you?

i guess it makes me greedy to want to keep the money I've earned

I would guess you are more of an idealist rather then an actual earner.

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Its the end result.

Diablo-B

1930s.. obviously oblivious to the great depression.

thanks just needed a reason to post that link. sucka

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"] In my opinion, people like you who think they're benevolent because they take people's money at gun point clearly don't understand charity, point me to a time in American history where there were kids starving because we didn't have wealth redistribution, what you mention (defective children) is a very small portion of the population that CHARITY could take care of them. the monsters are people like you who think the world owes them somethingweedfacekilla

Sorry, you are not a charitable person, you are simply greedy. Where would this charity come from if everyone thought like you?

i guess it makes me greedy to want to keep the money I've earned

Wanting to live in a society while not contribute to it simply make you a paracite.

Weedkiller, as you wish to add nothing to your society, perhaps you should leave it, find a forest, grow some crops, pick them and hudle around your camp fire at night hugging your carrots and potatoes while crying 'mine' into the night.

[QUOTE="Diablo-B"][QUOTE="weedfacekilla"] point me to a time in American history where there were poor kids starving because we didn't have wealth redistribution.weedfacekilla

1930s.. obviously oblivious to the great depression.

thanks just needed a reason to post that link. sucka

When the Bush tax cuts were signed into law, spending and government waste should have been cut or eliminated. When the wars began, taxes should have been increased to cover the costs of the wars.

This country wants the cake and eat it too. Seriously, you can't have more spending and less taxes while expecting a surplus. As for the Bush Tax Cuts, I support repealing it as well as decreased spending so that we can cover the deficit. That and eliminate tax loopholes, especially for businesses. No, I'm not advocating the destruction of capitalism or business but rather that no businesses, regardless of its size or "importance" should benefit from government aid.

Is anyone shocked?

what's wrong with wanting free Pez?Allicrombie

If I were president, I would give every single American free Pez.

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Sorry, you are not a charitable person, you are simply greedy. Where would this charity come from if everyone thought like you?

Diablo-B

i guess it makes me greedy to want to keep the money I've earned

I like people like the op 'I love street lights, but why should 'I' pay for them, priceless.

what's wrong with wanting free Pez?Allicrombie

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"]

[QUOTE="Diablo-B"]

1930s.. obviously oblivious to the great depression.

Diablo-B

thanks just needed a reason to post that link. sucka

Im still waiting for someone to answer this question. How is letting tax cuts with an experation date finally expire wealth redistribution?

Everyones greedy. Look at black friday and those people who fought and punched eachother for an eight dollar toaster at Wal-Mart. Decrease taxes, and decrease spending, cut regulation, and bring back more manufactoring. No one should be denounced for wanting to keep the money they earned if they are already paying taxes.

who gets to define what spending is wasteful?comp_atkins

random nuts on a forum do, silly...

wis3boi

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

In my opinion, people like you are monsters, in your perfect world defective children would be left in the woods to die spartan fashion to avoid them be a 'burden' to you.

GreySeal9

If charity alone could address all the need out there, there would be no reason for entitlements/welfare/etc. Charity can help, but the funds of charities are hardly robust or stable enough to shoulder the immense burden that the government takes upon itself.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"] Diablo-B

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[QUOTE="Diablo-B"][QUOTE="wis3boi"] wis3boi

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